Failed execution of female murderer

[rmb60]

Is the sword held in vain in the NT?

Jack claims he would forgive someone who murdered his family yet believes that person still needs to be punished.
Forgives yet still wants them punished, interesting

 

[Jack]

Jack claims he would forgive someone who murdered his family yet believes that person still needs to be punished.
Forgives yet still wants them punished, interesting

Prison isn't MURDER! See the diff? I doubt you do. And you RUN from questions like the Devil! Why do you do CHOOSE to KILL people?

 

[Wrangler]

If you have Scripture quote it. I will assume you mean:

Romans 13:4
4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

"He" is not referring to YOU!

Yes, "he" is referring to us. As Christians in America, we formed an experiment in self-government. We, as Christians, make up the government via our choices in fulfilling our duties - corrupt as you say they are.

 

[Wrangler]

Jack claims he would forgive someone who murdered his family yet believes that person still needs to be punished.
Forgives yet still wants them punished, interesting

Yea. Sadly many are emotionally driven. @Jack is all over the place in this thread. All his CAPITAL letters and exclamation points!!!!! It shows how emotional he is. How dare a people execute their system of justice?!

@Moonwood doesn't even know what justice is and after 6,000 years of human experience, wants to debate what the word even means; we have no working framework to function in practice; certainly not in this case with Christa Pike.

It goes to show how an intelligent mind can rationalize anything.

 

[Moonwood]

I don’t define justice. It’s already defined.

And yes, justice either prevails or it doesn’t. Simple.

Another simple question is in this particular case, is justice under the law executing Christa Pike? Yes or No.

You're still assuming the point under dispute.

You say justice is "already defined," but you haven't actually defined what justice is. Instead, you're treating the execution itself as the definition of justice and then asking whether justice should be carried out. That's circular.

The very issue under discussion is whether justice, in this case, is exhausted by execution, or whether justice can include punishment while also leaving room for mercy, repentance, and concern for the offender's soul.

So when you ask, "Is justice under the law executing Christa Pike? Yes or No," you're not asking a neutral question. You're assuming that execution is the definition of justice and then demanding agreement with the assumption.

I acknowledge her guilt. I acknowledge the state's authority to punish wrongdoing. What I do not grant is your unstated premise that justice and execution are identical.

The question is not whether justice prevails.

The question is what justice consists of. Until that is established, a simple "yes" or "no" does not actually address the issue being debated.

 

[rmb60]

Yea. Sadly many are emotionally driven. @Jack is all over the place in this thread. All his CAPITAL letters and exclamation points!!!!! It shows how emotional he is. How dare a people execute their system of justice?!

@Moonwood doesn't even know what justice is and after 6,000 years of human experience, wants to debate what the word even means; we have no working framework to function in practice; certainly not in this case with Christa Pike.

It goes to show how an intelligent mind can rationalize anything.

The IGNORE button fixed that problem, he's all yours :)