I have not really considered this topic in great deal until I started reading a few post of others lately. I discovered others were curious about this topic as well. Now I am curious myself. I am afraid of the answer if my suspicious are confirmed. I believe that the Scripture are inspired by God. God gave mankind His Spoken Word so that we might teach and follow His will as led by the Spirit. Consequently, mankind has been the steward of Scripture. What has mankind done with his stewardship?Question- Are the other languages of translated Scripture other than the original language of the Scripture polluted. What I mean by polluted is that the translations are influenced by the present cultures, biases, ideologies, and prejudices of the translators. Hence the context and transliteration are altered to various degrees depending on the person doing the translating. Since no translator has ever claimed to be inspired by God in their efforts to translate Scripture, the conclusion can be made that the creation of the translated Scripture was done by mankind with his own intellect, perceptions, and feelings. The process of translating was undertaken with the aid of speculation, previously held beliefs, and personal agendas. This creates the situations of today when various translations define the same word differently. A lot of times it has change the face value meaning of the passage of Scripture, context, and intent. This could mean that some truths might have been altered to the point of making believers accidently error and walk in ignorance. These possible missing gaps in our knowledge of the truth could greatly and dangerously alter the religion of Christianity. This is not to say that the original text is not polluted to some degree. However, I am sure that the levels of pollutants are smaller than the translation created from them. The original Scripture were written with an intimate affection and connection to the cultures, ideologies, and mannerisms of their day when God first gave us His Scripture. Hence, the context, nuances, and meanings of the original Text should have a greater degree of trust associated with them. I trust Scripture with all my heart, but I study from the original text as much as possible for clarity and corrections. Are we wrong for translating the Scripture? I do not believe that we are. However, great efforts should be made in future translations to define the Scripture within their ancient settings regarding context, nuances, and the meanings of the applicable in those days. I believe a lot of people want to believe that their translation has power. I really do not know if they do. I personally use the King James Edition of the Bible because it is the Scripture I have been associated with since I was a child. I can more readily recall the location of specific Scripture as I study. I believe it is up to me to study to show myself as a good worker by understanding the past cultures, nuances of those times, and assigned norms. I usually try to transliterate the Scripture by tearing the present language down and allowing God to build it back up through the works of the Holy Spirit and original written Scripture.I am not saying that the Scripture are a lie and we cannot trust them. The Scripture as given directly from God to mankind was perfect; however, some people have since tried to tailor the Scripture to match their culture. Some might believe that the Scripture are fine as they are and that nothing has been added to or corrupted the Scripture. Some might believe that the present translations of Scripture has been mistranslated, hence they take other measures to discover the truth.What say you because I need to learn more regarding this subject? Thanks, Manichunter...................
Fallibility of Scripture
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Well in my opinion its quite simple, the bible is the INFALLIBLE word of God!! Now I can't speak for all b/c i know there about a million translations but from all that I have seen they pretty much flow together.
I agree with follower of christ. The best bible is the one you readI learned my faith through a Good News bibleone of my friends was saved through a New International bibleanother by the NKJVOne of the holiest people I know reads the new american standardKJV might be more accurate, but every bible expresses the same truths.
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I agree with follower of christ. The best bible is the one you readI learned my faith through a Good News bibleone of my friends was saved through a New International bibleanother by the NKJVOne of the holiest people I know reads the new american standardKJV might be more accurate, but every bible expresses the same truths.
A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
I agree with follower of christ. The best bible is the one you readI learned my faith through a Good News bibleone of my friends was saved through a New International bibleanother by the NKJVOne of the holiest people I know reads the new american standardKJV might be more accurate, but every bible expresses the same truths.
A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
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A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
I'm sorry,I meant that Jesus Christ saved them through those translations. and I do not believe that the different bibles are attacking Jesus Christ, this is obviously where we differ.
A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
I'm sorry,I meant that Jesus Christ saved them through those translations. and I do not believe that the different bibles are attacking Jesus Christ, this is obviously where we differ.
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(thesuperjag;53398)
A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
I'm sorry,I meant that Jesus Christ saved them through those translations.and I do not believe that the different bibles are attacking Jesus Christ, this is obviously where we differ.So you are going to believe in your words without checking it out for yourselves on what I am saying? The answer is within my topic under my sig...in fact I'm going to bump it...
(thesuperjag;53398)
A translation of the bible can not save a single soul.All bible have the same faith?Give me a break here, that is 100% incorrect. How can a bible (modern versions) have the same faith if they are attacking Lord Jesus Christ (AND they did)
I'm sorry,I meant that Jesus Christ saved them through those translations.and I do not believe that the different bibles are attacking Jesus Christ, this is obviously where we differ.So you are going to believe in your words without checking it out for yourselves on what I am saying? The answer is within my topic under my sig...in fact I'm going to bump it...
I know that all the translations differ but I have never come across a translations that teaches against what is in the KJV. They might word it differently but the messages are the same.
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So you are going to believe in your words without checking it out for yourselves on what I am saying? The answer is within my topic under my sig...in fact I'm going to bump it...
Ive read it, jag, Ive read it a couple times, it is a very impressive study, and I heavily respect you for portraying what you believe is the truth so elegantly and clearly. The problem is that I have seen the exact same thing you done to the NKJV to the very KJV you said was the most accurate. All bibles have there mistakes, I agree with you that the KJV is the most accurate.but just because the other bibles are less accurate does not mena that they are attacking our lord. on the other hand they are glorifying him. find me one bible Jag which does not call Jesus Lord and does not call him the path of salvation.find me one bible which does not have our lords ressurection, or his acscension.find me one bible which does not portray the pouring down of the holy spirit in pentecost.Find me the bible where Jesus does not come down in the end to judge and to rule.all of them glorify our lord Jesus Christ.
So you are going to believe in your words without checking it out for yourselves on what I am saying? The answer is within my topic under my sig...in fact I'm going to bump it...
Ive read it, jag, Ive read it a couple times, it is a very impressive study, and I heavily respect you for portraying what you believe is the truth so elegantly and clearly. The problem is that I have seen the exact same thing you done to the NKJV to the very KJV you said was the most accurate. All bibles have there mistakes, I agree with you that the KJV is the most accurate.but just because the other bibles are less accurate does not mena that they are attacking our lord. on the other hand they are glorifying him. find me one bible Jag which does not call Jesus Lord and does not call him the path of salvation.find me one bible which does not have our lords ressurection, or his acscension.find me one bible which does not portray the pouring down of the holy spirit in pentecost.Find me the bible where Jesus does not come down in the end to judge and to rule.all of them glorify our lord Jesus Christ.
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I know that all the translations differ but I have never come across a translations that teaches against what is in the KJV. They might word it differently but the messages are the same.
You too huh?I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me.Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
I know that all the translations differ but I have never come across a translations that teaches against what is in the KJV. They might word it differently but the messages are the same.
You too huh?I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me.Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
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You too huh? I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me. Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
I know there are verses missing, remember I have read your thread multiple times. I am just saying if your going to judge the newer translations against the older KJV then you should also test the KJV against even older. Honestly I think the old Hebrew and Greek bible is the ONLY bible that has everything in it. So I think its safe to assume the KJV has its flaws too if weighed against the original.Though I'm not saying the KJV is bad, I am fully aware that it is the oldest english translation and the best version to read if you can only read english. All I am saying is, KJ onlyism doesn't really hold and weight when you consider the same arguments against the KJV itself. So yeah the newer versions are different from the KJV, and the KJV is different from the even older versions. So honestly our time could be better spent learning the biblical languages instead of attacking the bibles in the only language we know.
You too huh? I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me. Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
I know there are verses missing, remember I have read your thread multiple times. I am just saying if your going to judge the newer translations against the older KJV then you should also test the KJV against even older. Honestly I think the old Hebrew and Greek bible is the ONLY bible that has everything in it. So I think its safe to assume the KJV has its flaws too if weighed against the original.Though I'm not saying the KJV is bad, I am fully aware that it is the oldest english translation and the best version to read if you can only read english. All I am saying is, KJ onlyism doesn't really hold and weight when you consider the same arguments against the KJV itself. So yeah the newer versions are different from the KJV, and the KJV is different from the even older versions. So honestly our time could be better spent learning the biblical languages instead of attacking the bibles in the only language we know.
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You too huh?I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me.Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
I know there are verses missing, remember I have read your thread multiple times. I am just saying if your going to judge the newer translations against the older KJV then you should also test the KJV against even older. Honestly I think the old Hebrew and Greek bible is the ONLY bible that has everything in it. So I think its safe to assume the KJV has its flaws too if weighed against the original.Though I'm not saying the KJV is bad, I am fully aware that it is the oldest english translation and the best version to read if you can only read english.All I am saying is, KJ onlyism doesn't really hold and weight when you consider the same arguments against the KJV itself. So yeah the newer versions are different from the KJV, and the KJV is different from the even older versions. So honestly our time could be better spent learning the biblical languages instead of attacking the bibles in the only language we know.I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
I hope that you don't think that I am KJV only... I can only go with Bibles with Byzantine Texts (which the KJV is in) and not the Alexandrian Texts (which pretty much all the modern perVersions are in)
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You too huh?I can't blame you, but I can only say Truth, because I can't reject what God has shown me.Can you tell me why they are bible verses missing? Especially of what Christ says. (16 bible verses)
I know there are verses missing, remember I have read your thread multiple times. I am just saying if your going to judge the newer translations against the older KJV then you should also test the KJV against even older. Honestly I think the old Hebrew and Greek bible is the ONLY bible that has everything in it. So I think its safe to assume the KJV has its flaws too if weighed against the original.Though I'm not saying the KJV is bad, I am fully aware that it is the oldest english translation and the best version to read if you can only read english.All I am saying is, KJ onlyism doesn't really hold and weight when you consider the same arguments against the KJV itself. So yeah the newer versions are different from the KJV, and the KJV is different from the even older versions. So honestly our time could be better spent learning the biblical languages instead of attacking the bibles in the only language we know.I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
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I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
I hope that you don't think that I am KJV only... I can only go with Bibles with Byzantine Texts (which the KJV is in) and not the Alexandrian Texts (which pretty much all the modern perVersions are in)
No I don't think so. But my grandfather is very much so. And everytime I see him he says that the KJV is the only bible and everything else is evil. And I must disagree.Versions like the NIV are easier to read until you get a feel for scripture which in turn you can move on to a more accurate version. But I don't think reading any particular version can mislead anyone from becoming a christian.
I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
No I don't think so. But my grandfather is very much so. And everytime I see him he says that the KJV is the only bible and everything else is evil. And I must disagree.Versions like the NIV are easier to read until you get a feel for scripture which in turn you can move on to a more accurate version. But I don't think reading any particular version can mislead anyone from becoming a christian.
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(thesuperjag;53448)
I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
I hope that you don't think that I am KJV only... I can only go with Bibles with Byzantine Texts (which the KJV is in) and not the Alexandrian Texts (which pretty much all the modern perVersions are in)
No I don't think so. But my grandfather is very much so. And everytime I see him he says that the KJV is the only bible and everything else is evil. And I must disagree.Versions like the NIV are easier to read until you get a feel for scripture which in turn you can move on to a more accurate version. But I don't think reading any particular version can mislead anyone from becoming a christian.I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
(thesuperjag;53448)
I keep forgetting that you have read my thread
No I don't think so. But my grandfather is very much so. And everytime I see him he says that the KJV is the only bible and everything else is evil. And I must disagree.Versions like the NIV are easier to read until you get a feel for scripture which in turn you can move on to a more accurate version. But I don't think reading any particular version can mislead anyone from becoming a christian.I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
(thesuperjag;53451)
I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
Thats why I said that after you become aquainted with scripture you move on to another more accurate version.
I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
Thats why I said that after you become aquainted with scripture you move on to another more accurate version.
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(thesuperjag;53451)
I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
Thats why I said that after you become aquainted with scripture you move on to another more accurate version.How many of them go from from a modern version (Alexandrian Texts) to KJV? (Byzantine Texts)
(thesuperjag;53451)
I half-agree with your grandfather. I used to think like that, but actually follower, these modern version are deceiving. No they may not mislead anyone from becoming Christian, but they surely can deceive you in the walk of the Truth as it is mixed with lies in there.
Thats why I said that after you become aquainted with scripture you move on to another more accurate version.How many of them go from from a modern version (Alexandrian Texts) to KJV? (Byzantine Texts)
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