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Truman

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As far as reading the words that is reading comprehension.
As far as translation...you can verify a lot of that yourself.



So after all that....you still do not get that the names of God the Father and God the Son are important?
When I'm in the Spirit, to my left, it's the Son, so I address Him accordingly. When I face forward, I'm facing Father, so I address Him accordingly. To my right, though I don't see Him, I know it's Holy Spirit, so I address Him accordingly.
It's a matter of respect that I get His names right! Right? Right! He is, after all, Master of the Universe!

Master of the Universe, YHVH-Elohim is His name. x2
Adonai, El Shaddai are names of the Lord most high.
Yeshua Messiah died for us because He loves us...He is...(repeat) Lol tc
 
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There was a man in the 70s with healing miracles and accurate prophecy. You can look up his stuff on YouTube.His name was Jim Jones. That's the Jonestown guy.

When I was a young Harvard doctoral student in the 70'S (in New Testament, Judaism, and Greco-Roman Backgrounds), an elderly Christian Armenian couple took me under their wings by inviting me for dinner once a month. One day I asked them if they had previously done this favor for any other young men. They replied, "Yes, a nice young divinity student named Jim Jones!" Jones was an MDiv student at the Boston University School of Theology at the time--and he really was a sincere nice theology student at the time! I don't know what happened to make him choose the dark path. It gave me the heeby-jeebies to know that I replaced him as this elderly Armenian couple's regular invited guest!
 
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But His name isn't God....He is God....but His name is multiple names according to the function it serves....

Sorry I missed this.
I addressed this in post 196.
Let me make this clear. You know I respect you. We can talk about this, but do not lose sight of that.
And looking into the various names is a good study.

To me....my religious beliefs....I see the names of the God the Father and God the Son as important and significant. Even to the extent that there is power in their names.
That belief is not shared by everybody....and it could be said that it is just my beliefs.
 
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When I was a young Harvard doctoral student in the 70'S (in New Testament, Judaism, and Greco-Roman Backgrounds), an elderly Christian Armenian couple took me under their wings by inviting me for dinner once a month. One day I asked them if they had previously done this favor for any other young men. They replied, "Yes, a nice young divinity student named Jim Jones!" Jones was an MDiv student at the Boston University School of Theology at the time--and he really was a sincere nice theology student at the time! I don't know what happened to make him choose the dark path. It gave me the heeby-jeebies to know that I replaced him as this elderly Armenian couple's regular invited guest!
Really!
Very interesting. I have wondered myself if that was the case.

After reading your comment, I thought to look him up. Looks like this article from 1978 thought he was a literal wolf in sheep's clothing. A lot there I didn't know about. Maybe one of those charismatic narcissist types?

Jim Jones— FrFrom Poverty To Power of Life and Death (Published 1978)
 

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So if I understand correctly some of you here, you basically have a problem with established things, traditions, church fathers etc. Basically their accumulated knowledge is wrong and your interpretation of the scriptures is right.
 

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Also from reading some comments here and other threads, it’s not necessary to pray for too long and too often in the day like some monks do because a quick short prayer is enough and that’s it.
 

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So if I understand correctly some of you here, you basically have a problem with established things, traditions, church fathers etc. Basically their accumulated knowledge is wrong and your interpretation of the scriptures is right.

You probably know the history of the Protestant Reform which lead to Fundamentalism.
At the time it was justified.
Bible only....so a lot of what occurs after the biblical era is disregarded.
That pretty much describes this site. Not that there are no variations.
I am not Catholic and I am not a Fundamentalist.
 
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I am not a Catholic, though I know many belong to Him.
I am no longer a Protestant, though I know many belong to Him.
I am descended from Levi, through the northern Kingdom of the house of Israel; most importantly, I know I belong to Him. Hallelujah!
 

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So if I understand correctly some of you here, you basically have a problem with established things, traditions, church fathers etc. Basically their accumulated knowledge is wrong and your interpretation of the scriptures is right.
I would say that a knowledge of who taught them would be a deciding factor as to whether or not their teaching can be trusted.
But to be able to judge that for ourselves we have to study the Word for ourselves.
That's my perspective anyway.
 
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Sorry I missed this.
I addressed this in post 196.
Let me make this clear. You know I respect you. We can talk about this, but do not lose sight of that.
And looking into the various names is a good study.

To me....my religious beliefs....I see the names of the God the Father and God the Son as important and significant. Even to the extent that there is power in their names.
That belief is not shared by everybody....and it could be said that it is just my beliefs.
I have to go back and read that post.
You know you have my utmost respect and I will question you when I may not see eye to eye...but asking questions is better than assuming....
Hugs!
 

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The problem here is that you do not know much about linguistics and how they apply. The languages do not matter now and they did not matter then. Two people meet at a cross roads that do not speak the same language but they both know what Rome means. So one can say Rome and the other could point the way. Same thing for god Zeus....it did not matter what language it was, it was pronounce Zeus. And it is still that way, Zeus is pronounced the same way in English as it was in Greek. The name of God the Father and God the Son are at least as important as Zeus.

The name of Christ in the scriptures is not a name at all. It is a Greek word that means, one who saves or a rescuer.
I thought it meant "anointed one" ....
Jesus Christ. ...Jesus (the anointed one) or Jesus (the Messiah)
 

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"It is what the scriptures say" is one of the most open-ended statements going. Depending on who's interpretation?

This is the reality of Protestantism. Don't try to figure it out just come up with an opinion. Then the next opinion, then the next opinion....then 500 years later you have 30,000 opinions. No offense LOL But if intelligence was involved....after a while someone should have noticed that it was not working! LOL 500 years! Give me a break!

What do you think Christ and the Apostles would say about that process.....30,000 renditions of the Christianity?
If you and I lived back then and walked with Christ and the Apostles, a lot of what is in the Bible would be easier for us to understand. And what people believed and understood back then did not come from the Bible. The first bound Bibles were the 50 Bibles of Constantine, that was the mid 300's. People back then (in the biblical era) learned and were taught mostly by word of mouth. Sure they had a few pamphlets. They were told what to believe and they were told what to do and they did it. Shoot we have people on this forum that pick the process of salvation apart, suggesting that baptism and communion are not necessary. It makes you wonder if they can even read.

So now 2000 years later, we are not part of that culture, do not speak that language, and most do not understand the difficulty the Apostles had with conveying Christianity in a Pagan language. Most do not understand the religious literary style of the time period.
If we were to be transported to that time period, that world would seem very alien to us.

There is a very systematic approach to biblical study, and it is not Bible only. To study the Bible only is nearly a commitment to not understand the scriptures. Sound strange? You need to have a working knowledge of the languages....good books! It takes time. You need to be knowledgeable of the cultures. I point out that nowhere in the Bible is there a requirement for a wedding or vows to be married. That shocked the tar out of them! But it is common knowledge in Biblical studies. People have some very strong beliefs and there is no telling where they get them. So you have to understand all that and the history of it all. A systematic approach. If that happened, we would not have 30,000 denominations.

The concept that scriptures are open to interpretation is a plan to fail! Sure there are scripture that are vague and their meaning not easy to understand. But you do not turn those scripture into a fertile bed for speculation and wild interpretations. Systematic, you set them a side for further research and as you go along you dig into it. The designation that God gave Eve has baffled people for centuries. The phrase, You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk, has baffled people. There is an answer for that.

What you do not do, is make foundational beliefs from vague scriptures and not even from most stand alone scriptures....you must hate your mother and father to be a disciple of Christ....For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Few! From the perspective of the biblical era! Wow!

Systematic....do not give up until you find the truth!
 

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This is the reality of Protestantism. Don't try to figure it out just come up with an opinion. Then the next opinion, then the next opinion....then 500 years later you have 30,000 opinions. No offense LOL But if intelligence was involved....after a while someone should have noticed that it was not working! LOL 500 years! Give me a break!

What do you think Christ and the Apostles would say about that process.....30,000 renditions of the Christianity?
If you and I lived back then and walked with Christ and the Apostles, a lot of what is in the Bible would be easier for us to understand. And what people believed and understood back then did not come from the Bible. The first bound Bibles were the 50 Bibles of Constantine, that was the mid 300's. People back then (in the biblical era) learned and were taught mostly by word of mouth. Sure they had a few pamphlets. They were told what to believe and they were told what to do and they did it. Shoot we have people on this forum that pick the process of salvation apart, suggesting that baptism and communion are not necessary. It makes you wonder if they can even read.

So now 2000 years later, we are not part of that culture, do not speak that language, and most do not understand the difficulty the Apostles had with conveying Christianity in a Pagan language. Most do not understand the religious literary style of the time period.
If we were to be transported to that time period, that world would seem very alien to us.

There is a very systematic approach to biblical study, and it is not Bible only. To study the Bible only is nearly a commitment to not understand the scriptures. Sound strange? You need to have a working knowledge of the languages....good books! It takes time. You need to be knowledgeable of the cultures. I point out that nowhere in the Bible is there a requirement for a wedding or vows to be married. That shocked the tar out of them! But it is common knowledge in Biblical studies. People have some very strong beliefs and there is no telling where they get them. So you have to understand all that and the history of it all. A systematic approach. If that happened, we would not have 30,000 denominations.

The concept that scriptures are open to interpretation is a plan to fail! Sure there are scripture that are vague and their meaning not easy to understand. But you do not turn those scripture into a fertile bed for speculation and wild interpretations. Systematic, you set them a side for further research and as you go along you dig into it. The designation that God gave Eve has baffled people for centuries. The phrase, You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk, has baffled people. There is an answer for that.

What you do not do, is make foundational beliefs from vague scriptures and not even from most stand alone scriptures....you must hate your mother and father to be a disciple of Christ....For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Few! From the perspective of the biblical era! Wow!

Systematic....do not give up until you find the truth!
"…3if you truly call out to insight and lift your voice to understanding, 4if you seek it like silver and search it out like hidden treasure, 5then you will discern the fear of the LORD and discover the knowledge of God.…" Proverbs 2:3-5
Amen, brother!
 
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I thought it meant "anointed one" ....
Jesus Christ. ...Jesus (the anointed one) or Jesus (the Messiah)

No....linguistics is a complicated topic.
The Apostles were using a Pagan language to convey Christian notions and beliefs. Harder than you might expect.
Jesus Christ, that phrase is not properly translated. Christ is not Yeshua's last name...that is humor.

How can people figure this out without the books and education...they get mislead. Look up the Greek word Ιησούς which is Christ's name in the Greek scriptures. In some places you are going to be told that it means anointed. Look up the Greek word Χρίστος ...Christos....Christ. In the Greek usage, it meant virtuous....a word not a name. The Apostles took that word and gave it the meaning anointed one....which is the means of the word Messiah. This is what happens to these words. Effectively what they are trying to tell you is that His name appeared as anointed one anointed one. In English the accurate phrase would be Yeshua the Messiah. Which makes sense.

Yeshua or Yahushua, His name is kind of like Ed and Edward means roughly "Yahweh is Salvation" His name was a popular name and in the Old Testament it was Yeshua and for those "J" Bibles Jeshua or Joshua. You never see a person named Jesus in the Old Testament.... LOL....they forgot about that when they came up with the word Jesus. LOL
 

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It doesn't matter much what is said here or who is right.

It would be a greater benefit for everyone to read the scriptures written in red.

And the ones around it.

But special attention to the ones in red.

You would get a lot more out of it.
 

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One For Israel promotes the use of Yeshua. It works for me.
As far as power in the name goes, just having the name, "Jesus" appear in my mind stopped an evil being's attempt at abducting me dead in it's tracks.
Having experienced His realm, our words cannot begin to adequately describe it.
That's what I mean when I say He is awesome beyond words.
When the apostle Paul said He was not permitted to say some things, I've often wondered...
 
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I got a revelation- unintended. So I just learned this myself after praying. I was sitting around thinking in my head about what Jesus said of himself and a voice came to me and reminded me "I am the Alpha and Omega..."

Jesus declared he was the alpha and the omega in Revelation 22:13 and Revelation 21:6.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

How do we know it is Jesus speaking?

Verse 16 “I, Jesus"...
 

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One For Israel promotes the use of Yeshua. It works for me.
As far as power in the name goes, just having the name, "Jesus" appear in my mind stopped an evil being's attempt at abducting me dead in it's tracks.
Having experienced His realm, our words cannot begin to adequately describe it.
That's what I mean when I say He is awesome beyond words.
When the apostle Paul said He was not permitted to say some things, I've often wondered...

There is power in the name! It is a valid topic. People have performed miracles in that name. Cast out demons! Laid hands on the diseased and anointed them with oil and prayed in Jesus' name and healed them. My son was one of them. Diagnosed with Crohn's disease and was healed.
I have several reasons for what I do....Johnny Appleseed of truth.
1. The names of God the Father and God the Son deserve to be in the Bible.
2. God the Father and God the Son deserve to have their names known.
3. It is our religion! We should know their names.
4. In our testimony of the Gospel to others, we are knowledgeable enough to know the names of God the Father and God the Son.
5. And this is personal thing for me, on that day when I am face to face with Yeshua, I know Him by name.
6. Does Christ appreciate that we went that extra mile to know His name?