Few are saved.

[Button]

Ok....we have the numerous meanings of the word "mortal".
Now please share your thoughts from the suggestions from Strongs of what your opinion is of being "mortal"

Again, from my (edited**) post 216:

**So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people? If not, then how is it that THEY "cannot die"?

We are of and from God. Everything that exists is that.
We cannot die because all that we are is of and from God.
When the Holy Spirit,which is God,indwells us,it means the source within our beingness in flesh makes itself known by changing us from when we were dead, i.e unaware of this. In other words, awakens our consciousness to the fact we are more than carnal thought and desires of the flesh. And that's how we are sealed for the last day.

Once that presence is known by us,felt to be vibrantly alive and guiding us from within, on a spiritual journey and focus rather than what was the former self-ish carnal identity,we are forever his because we know God has always been there. In all that is his creation.

And when we die,the flesh,that came from his creation,returns to the dust from which it sprang. And the soul returns to God.

Everything that is,is creation by God and from God.

 

[Button]

Ok....we have the numerous meanings of the word "mortal".
Now please share your thoughts from the suggestions from Strongs of what your opinion is of being "mortal"

Again, from my (edited**) post 216:

**So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people? If not, then how is it that THEY "cannot die"?

We are of and from God. Everything that exists is that.
We cannot die because all that we are is of and from God.
When the Holy Spirit,which is God,indwells us,it means the source within our being less in flesh makes itself known by changing us from when we were dead. In other words, awakens our consciousness to the fact we are more than carnal thought and desires of the flesh. And that's how we are sealed for the last day.

Once that presence is known by us,felt to be vibrantly alive and guiding us from within, on a spiritual journey and focus rather than what was the former self-ish carnal identity,we are forever his because we know God has always been there. In all that is his creation.

And when we die,the flesh,that came from his creation,returns to the dust from which it sprang. And the soul returns to God.

Everything that is,is creation by God and from God

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

when we die,the flesh,that came from his creation,returns to the dust from which it sprang. And the soul returns to God.

And later God resurrects everyone's physical body

Some to eternal damnation being tormented in hell, and some to a glorified body to live in God's Kingdom.

 

[NayborBear]

Ok....we have the numerous meanings of the word "mortal".
Now please share your thoughts from the suggestions from Strongs of what your opinion is of being "mortal"

Again, from my (edited**) post 216:

**So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people? If not, then how is it that THEY "cannot die"?

It would seem, Button? Your (man's) spirit (rauch/breath of life) is striving with (against) God's Spirit (Holy Rauch/Holy Breath of Life) making it impossible for you to even answer the knocking on the door.
Or?
You are purposely playing willingly ignorant, and just like the wind whistling through your fingertips.
Or?
You are willingly ignorant.

And trust me on this! The one knocking on your door is not: Avon calling!
Nor?
Is it some "robo call" wanting to know if you have Medicare parts A & B!

 

[NayborBear]

And later God resurrects everyone's physical body

Gotta disagree with ya on that one BBJ.
The flesh body goes back to the dust from whence it was made.
Our spiritual body is what gets resurrected.

 

[Earburner]

It would seem, Button? Your (man's) spirit (rauch/breath of life) is striving with (against) God's Spirit (Holy Rauch/Holy Breath of Life) making it impossible for you to even answer the knocking on the door.
Or?
You are purposely playing willingly ignorant, and just like the wind whistling through your fingertips.
Or?
You are willingly ignorant.

And trust me on this! The one knocking on your door is not: Avon calling!
Nor?
Is it some "robo call" wanting to know if you have Medicare parts A & B!

On your post #224, are you replying to me or Button?

 

[Earburner]

And later God resurrects everyone's physical body

Some to eternal damnation being tormented in hell, and some to a glorified body to live in God's Kingdom.

Once again, here is the answer to your false conclusion concerning those who physically die without having faith in Jesus:
"Again, from my (edited**) post #216:
**So then, is it that God (who cannot die) shall be in those people? If not, then how is it that THEY 'cannot die'?"

 

[PinSeeker]

I don't believe you are making the full connection of how wonderous of a work of sacrifice the blood of Christ is.

<chuckles>

Because He had no earthly father, He never inherited the sin of Adam, nor did He commit any sin during His short mortal life of 33 yrs. old. Therefore, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for both our sins and our sinfulness, being Himself the [sacrificial] Lamb OF GOD, which is to say: Jesus, who came from Heaven, to be crucified to death, was the only means possible by which our salvation from eternal death could be achieved.

Of course.

For that reason alone, was it made possible for the first time and forward,

Here's where we apparently disagree. And why I would really level the same assertion concerning you as you did me above. Well, not "full connection," but full impact.

that  THROUGH Jesus, God the FATHER could NOW PERMANENTLY dwell within His people, who are of faith in Jesus. Only by the Gift of His Holy Spirit within us, are we made to be "born again" into God's "NEW Creatures".
It is by the Gift of the Holy Spirit within us that we are made to be Holy before God, even though our own hearts [willful desires] are "exceedingly sinful".

Eph. 2
[8] For by [God's] grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God:
[9] Not of works [by our own wills], lest any man should boast.

Of course.

As you can see, as much we NEEDED Jesus to be the Savior, so also did God the Father, but for different reasons.
John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Not sure what you mean by God the Father "NEEDED" Jesus to be the Savior... If you mean that in the right sense, then yeah, but I'm not sure.

In addition, I think you are underestimating ~ unintentionally, I'm guessing ~ how great God's love is for us and how great His grace is.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Earburner]

We are of and from God. Everything that exists is that.
We cannot die because all that we are is of and from God.
When the Holy Spirit,which is God,indwells us,it means the source within our beingness in flesh makes itself known by changing us from when we were dead, i.e unaware of this. In other words, awakens our consciousness to the fact we are more than carnal thought and desires of the flesh. And that's how we are sealed for the last day.

Once that presence is known by us,felt to be vibrantly alive and guiding us from within, on a spiritual journey and focus rather than what was the former self-ish carnal identity,we are forever his because we know God has always been there. In all that is his creation.

And when we die,the flesh,that came from his creation,returns to the dust from which it sprang. And the soul returns to God.

Everything that is,is creation by God and from God.

Surely, you don't believe that you are physically born with the Holy Spirit?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Gotta disagree with ya on that one BBJ.
The flesh body goes back to the dust from whence it was made.
Our spiritual body is what gets resurrected.

Well you are going to be flabbergasted then

We are joint heirs with Christ Jesus... His physical body was resurrected and glorified and so will ours.

Jesus will forever live in a glorified physical body and real Christians will get the same and we will live in a physical world as in the end the Father moves Heaven to earth and real Christians will forever be with the Lord.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance. He gave us a physical body and we will forever be in a physical body but the bodies of real Christians will be glorified.

“But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. – Philippians 3:20-21

“Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. – Revelation 20:6

“Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. – 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

“For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. – Romans 6:5

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.” – John 5:28-29

 

[Button]

Surely, you don't believe that you are physically born with the Holy Spirit?

Surely,it has become obvious you read the words in of the Bible rather than see the message from God in the white of the page.

 

[NayborBear]

On your post #224, are you replying to me or Button?

Thinking it was kinda obvious I was siding with your reply to Button. As well as giving my assessment and reasons in his fairly obvious to me, Saduceeistic mindset. As the Saducees back during Christ's ministry on earth, had tacked this apostasetic mindset onto the runaway train that had befallen the Jewish religion (pharasees) and culture in general.

 

[Button]

It would seem, Button? Your (man's) spirit (rauch/breath of life) is striving with (against) God's Spirit (Holy Rauch/Holy Breath of Life) making it impossible for you to even answer the knocking on the door.
Or?
You are purposely playing willingly ignorant, and just like the wind whistling through your fingertips.
Or?
You are willingly ignorant.

And trust me on this! The one knocking on your door is not: Avon calling!
Nor?
Is it some "robo call" wanting to know if you have Medicare parts A & B!

I can read what spirit feeds your consciousness.

Jesus tells us to have nothing to do with that.

 

[NayborBear]

Well you are going to be flabbergasted then

We are joint heirs with Christ Jesus... His physical body was resurrected and glorified and so will ours.

Jesus will forever live in a glorified physical body and real Christians will get the same and we will live in a physical world as in the end the Father moves Heaven to earth and real Christians will forever be with the Lord.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance. He gave us a physical body and we will forever be in a physical body but the bodies of real Christians will be glorified.

“But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. – Philippians 3:20-21

“Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. – Revelation 20:6

“Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. – 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

“For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. – Romans 6:5

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.” – John 5:28-29

Purely for the sake of argument here BBJ:
Consider all the humanity that have seen the business side of a lawnmower for the past 6,000 years give or take.
Then consider this 3rd rock from the sun.
Then Imagine, if you will, a "tin" of sardines, and how able they would be, if they were alive, in moving around.

 

[NayborBear]

I can read what spirit feeds your consciousness.

Jesus tells us to have nothing to do with that.

Ditto Kiddo!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Purely for the sake of argument here BBJ:
Consider all the humanity that have seen the business side of a lawnmower for the past 6,000 years give or take.
Then consider this 3rd rock from the sun.
Then Imagine, if you will, a "tin" of sardines, and how able they would be, if they were alive, in moving around.

I go by what God says in His Word, not foolish imaginations from devils

 

[Beebster]

Wow.


Okay, sure, but what is immortal is eternal, with regard not necessarily to eternity past but eternity future.

When that word is used it just introduces so much confusion.

This is a conflation. You're right that for now we are mortal beings, and will die (unless Jesus returns first). But when He returns, we will then be made immortal... and will live with Christ into eternity, which by definition will have no end, and thus we will be eternal.

Prior to becoming immortal one must die the second death, no matter whether you are chosen, or called or a non believer.

Even beyond this, there is a sense in which we have eternal life now... not that it has actually come to be, yet, but in that it is certain.

You're looking well past eonian life and in doing so you ignore the purpose for God's Elect.

Well, at some point, yes. It might not have been "right back," as in immediately; think Lazarus... <smile> But eventually, yes. We can't know how long they remained alive.

Sure. It was a figure of speech..

And... they will be resurrected with us at the end of the age, along with eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverybody else, and face the final Judgment... with us, God's elect, on Jesus's right (Matthew 25). <smile>

I dont think so.
The Elect are the first resurrection.
They are judges and saviours.

Well, they will be on Jesus's left in the final Judgment (Matthew 25:41), and will go away... depart... as a result of the final Judgment (Matthew 7, 25),
into God's eternal judgment, which is the second death of Revelation 20. <shudder>

Is it final judgment or eternal judgement?

Our God is a consuming fire (Deuteronomy, Hebrews).

Yes God is the Lake of fire.

This is His fatherly discipline, which He does for those He loves, and yes, can take the form of lesser judgments.

It is second death; judgement.

But the final Judgment is yet to come, and we will stand for it, along with everybody else.

Not if your of the Elect. The Elect are judged now.

The difference is that, having been redeemed, we will have an Advocate, in Whose righteousness we will stand.

The Elect have an advocate now.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes God is the Lake of fire.

Hilarious. God is not hell.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Hell is a place that God has prepared

Prior to becoming immortal one must die the second death, no matter whether you are chosen, or called or a non believer.

You really need to learn God's Word!

Revelation 2:11
He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

I'm an over comer and shall not be touched by the second death.

The first death is dying physically which we all experience.
The second death if being permanently separated from the Lord being resurrected unto damnation

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Damnation = separated from God to spend eternity being tortured in hell with satan and all his demons

 

[Beebster]

Hilarious. God is not hell.

Correct.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Incorrect.

Hell is a place that God has prepared

Incorrect.

You really need to learn God's Word!

Correct.

Revelation 2:11
He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Correct.

I'm an over comer and shall not be touched by the second death.

Incorrect.

The first death is dying physically which we all experience.

Incorrect.

The second death if being permanently separated from the Lord being resurrected unto damnation

Incorrect

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Correct.

Damnation = separated from God to spend eternity being tortured in hell with satan and all his demons

Incorrect

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Incorrect.

Thank you for admitting you think Jesus Christ lied in Matthew 25:41

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

At least you are being honest and open about believing Jesus is a liar.