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Finding a church

Discussion in 'The Church Forum' started by Windmillcharge, Oct 7, 2021.

  1. michaelvpardo

    michaelvpardo Well-Known Member

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    I'm just saying that the important thing is to trust the Lord and follow his guidance.

    I had a friend in my old neighborhood named John.
    I'd see him riding his bicycle past the house, muttering to himself, sometimes angry and with cursing, but I met him in a Saturday morning mens' prayer meeting. I think he came for the bagels and friendly faces.

    It turned out that John had been born partially strangled by his own umbilical cord and had suffered brain damage. He had very limited learning capacity and I gave him a collection of audible Bible tapes so that he could listen to scripture.
    Sometimes I had him as a guest for lunch and then read scripture to him and answered questions to help him understand. He had some issues with covetousness, always admiring wrist watches and asking me for old wallets, places to hold tracts and "pictures of Jesus". His mother and father were Catholics, but welcomed the moderation of his behavior when sitting "under the word."

    He clearly believed the Lord with a very simple faith, and the Lord spoke prophetically through him on one or two occasions. The Lord is not limited by our limitations. His word is a source for our faith, but His Spirit makes His word alive in our hearts. Agape is transforming to both the one who receives it and the one who gives it. Our understanding comes from scripture, but the application of agape to others is really a defining point of any church and the only way to satisfy the royal commandment.

    34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35
    A church without love is a lifeless church and love goes beyond banners, balloons, and handshakes.
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    Hi @michaelvpardo It seems that the Coolidge approach to church life is alive and well today. (Perhaps another word for the commercialized professing church is Babylon?)
     
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    michaelvpardo Well-Known Member

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    I've met born again Catholics and my maternal grandfather was devout and a charitable man. I just don't recall ever hearing the gospel preached in that church and know that it isn't grace dispensed through a priesthood.

    However, I do know Roman Catholics who literally hate me for my faith and feel justified in that hatred. Most of my extended family is still in that church, but I've found that very few have any grasp on sound biblical doctrine, or demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit. I'm also pretty confident that arrogance isn't a spiritual gift and how many people are arrogant over an accident of birth?
     
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    Christ and what he teaches
    Including the authority of the church of the apostles that he founded

    The church is an extension of Christ!

    Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

    Even His judging!
    Matt 19:28
    His teaching authority!
    Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
    His power to forgive sins!
    Jn 20:23
    His being the light of the world!
    Matt 5:14
    His ministry of reconciliation!
    2 cor 5:18
    Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
    So the church is subject to Christ!
    Eph 5:24

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

    1 Corinthians 16:22
    If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

    Extends to the truth and the church

    Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

    Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

    Authority of the Apostles!

    What authority does Christ have?
    What power does Christ have?
    What mission / ministry does Christ have?

    Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

    John 17:18
    As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    The apostles are Christ’s successors!
    They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

    Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
    Apostolic succession!

    The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

    Hebrews 3:1
    Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

    Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

    Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)
    Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

    The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

    Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
     
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    I grew up in a small California town which was primarily Catholic. My mother married a Catholic, who was a better than the average worldly man. Like most of his close family living in the vicinity, he never attended mass. Yet the Catholics were most all very Catholic very certain that the small minority of Protestants and Mormons present were definitely lost.

    While I was a devout Catholic in California, my father is Oklahoma was a believing practicing Pentecostal. I spent time him most summers so that influence was always on me although I could not understand the differences at the time between his church and my own. There were no Pentecostals in my hometown.

    I encountered no real Catholic opposition to me until I began to frequent Christian Internet forums a little over 20 years ago.
     
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    The Church is the Body of Christ! It consists of people. How much authority does the little toe of our left foot have over our physical body?
    You insist the Catholic Church is it, but you are unable name a single apostle.
    The Church has subjected or is subjecting itself to Christ. While any members are still flawed and sinning, the subjection to the Head is incomplete.
    You keep saying that, but you are unable to name one successor actively working God's work today!
    But you cannot name a single one...
     
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    Papal dogma is a bronze box that only God can open.
     
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    Yeah I thought it was a lot of money to operate. I really like the preacher and his preaching and I think he knows Jesus. He baptized me. I now attend another church but I have nothing against them
     
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    I'm watching a very carnal TV series about Rodrigo Borgia and his family. The show is an historical fiction, but the Apostate and lecherous Popes are well documented and like that relative everyone neglects to invite to parties. These tend to be hidden in the closet with the rest of the skeletons, but an honest RCC apologists will claim that apostolic succession is through "office" as was the Jewish priesthood.

    Most of the questionable practices of the RCC are derived by applying the Law and traditions of the Jews to the church. In this way such practices are supported by scripture, but by the Old Covenant rather than the New.
    For many centuries ignorance was power and wealth to Rome, but only bliss to a few.
     
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    When the church leadership is carnally minded, they make decisions and conduct church "business" in worldly ways. I bumped into this a little bit while on one church's mission board and when asked to participate on a church expansion project. I suppose that this is one area where we need to be "as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves."

    Some churches pick leadership based upon worldly success (and church donations) while others look for spiritual maturity. The former are sometimes larger in number, however the latter seem more faithful and alive. That's just my experience, but I've never even seen a church that held all things in common. It's definitely not the way in the western world except in cults. Perhaps that will change in the last days.

    However, even carnal minded elders are preferable to none.
     
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    I can for sure
     
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    Does this mean my faith should be where yours is... because, you are sure? Is not turn about fair play? Should I take your place and you take mine? Would that please God or anyone?
     
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    I do think when for example a Christian couple unsparingly spends years entertaining and encouraging young ppl and older in their home, making them know they are welcome and without regard to their personal inconvenience and cost, then this is more in the spirit of the liberality of NT times than when a cult leader preys on impressionable ppl's bank accounts under the pressurizing guise of 'spiritual leadership'.
     
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    It's ok friend,
    I been called brother, dude, soggy..lol
    it's all good.
    The only time I make a stink about it is when they feel they are the "bigger" man.
    Then I need to knock them down a peg or two :)
    It don't matter male or female, what is important is respect for each other.
    In Christ, I'm as much a brother as a sister as a mother or a son or a daughter for anyone.

    Here is the difference:

    Hello brother ziggy how are you today?
    Awesome thank you!

    This dude thinks he's so smart.
    Have some respect for your sister. Grrrr.
    LOL

    It's about respect.
    And it's all good.
    Hugs
    :D
     
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    While i have never been mistaken for a woman
    i have been called plenty of names dear sister .
    here are a few . Son of perdtion , an anti Christ , devil , satan , blasphemer , hater , danger to society
    dangerous . PS , i dont even believe in self defense , yeah i get a laugh when folks think me as dangerous
    just cause i stick to the fundamental doctrine of our Lord , that bible . Anway that is just a few of the names .
    The cuss words , Yeah i wont repeat . Been yelled at , screamed at . Never punched or kicked , Not yet anyway .
    And all because of my love for the peoples and the desire that not one soul would perish
    but rather they would come to Christ and learn HIM . You would be amazed at the names you wll get called
    for correcting error and etc . But , REJOICE SISTER . REJOICE IN THE GLOIROUS LORD when you are called
    names for JESUS sake . Forgive those who persecute you , BUT NEVER CONFORM TO A lie . Never conform
    agree to that which is contrary to GOD ,to CHRIST , to sound doctrine .
     
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    My Dad has Dish Network set up here. He usually watches the westerns when he comes to visit, and he likes Fox news.
    So he keeps it active so he has somethhing to watch when he's here.
    I don't watch tv, but every now and then my dad will call and ask me if I watched Dr. David Jeremiah.
    I like him too but I don't watch. So what I been doing is, when he comes on in the morning I record the program.
    So when my dad comes to visit and the sattelite isn't working due to bad weather or something,
    we can always watch reruns. Then it's like the first time for both of us. Because I never seen it, and my dad usually doses off in the middle anyways. lol
    It's almost April and the weather is getting better. The ground is still real soft. And if you go out walking, your feet sink into the ground.
    He uses a walker, and the last time he came over was in January? and he got out of the car, reached for the walker and the 4 legs sank right into the ground. As soon as it dries up a bit, he'll be back to visit. Sometimes he stays for a week or so. Other times it's a night or two.
    If nothing else it's a change of scenery for him, and a good time for testing my patience.
    :D

    Hugs
     
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