Yes--the gospel of Matthew is generally considered to be the gospel to the Jews as it features information that would be very important to a Jewish audience.
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Yes--the gospel of Matthew is generally considered to be the gospel to the Jews as it features information that would be very important to a Jewish audience.
The church is mentioned over 300 times in the OT, called the Congregation (church) of the Lord.
That's probably a pretty accurate assessment. All the speculation about someone with evil intent trying to sneak into Heaven seems to be a whole lot of "reaching" to make this something sinister.
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Congregation =
5712. עֵדָה ʿêdâh, ay-daw´; fem. of 5707 in the orig. sense of fixture; a stated assemblage (spec. a concourse, or gen. a family or crowd):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude, people, swarm. Comp. 5713.
Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 2, p. 85).
Church =
1577. ἐκκλησία ĕkklēsia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a comp. of 1537 and a der. of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concr.) a popular meeting, espec. a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Chr. community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 26)
5712. עֵדָה ʿêdâh, ay-daw´; fem. of 5707 in the orig. sense of fixture; a stated assemblage (spec. a concourse, or gen. a family or crowd):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude, people, swarm. Comp. 5713.
Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 2, p. 85).
Church =
1577. ἐκκλησία ĕkklēsia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a comp. of 1537 and a der. of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concr.) a popular meeting, espec. a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Chr. community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 26)
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I know the definition of the words. I also know a church congregation is not the same as an Old Testament congregation.
Christ built the Church On himself.
Jesus Christ did not exist until the incarnation. The Church did not exist until the cross.
Not talking buildings or local congregations here.
Jesus builds the NT Church on faith alone. The OT church was an institutional State Church with few believers and many unbelievers.
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Matthew 16:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 And I tell you that you are Peter (Petros) and on this rock (Petra) I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Jesus is Petra. He is the Archstone, cornerstone and foundation. He is a stone that will shatter mystery Babylon.
Salvation is built on faith in Jesus Christ, Our firm foundation.
Your replacement theology is false.
Yes--totally agree. At no place in the New Testament is there even a hint that the Church--the Body of the Christ/Messiah, has replaced Israel. Paul notes that Israel has been temporarily set aside while God is taking a people for Himself from among the Gentiles. (Romans 11:11) He even suggests that God hoped the Gentile Church would provoke the Jews to jealousy (and Paul later in chapter 11, quotes Deut. 32:21 to back his claim) and make them want the same type of intimate relationship with God as what the Gentile Church had. Once the full number of the Gentiles has come in, God will turn His attention once again to Israel. (see Romans 11:25-29 especially, but all of chapter 11 is good to read). The believing Jews of Jesus' day seemed to have had no thoughts that God had permanently abandoned Israel (see Acts 1:6 and Luke 24:21). That would have been unthinkable as "God's gifts and His call can never be withdrawn." (Romans 11:29) There are a great number of prophecies in the OT which have never been fulfilled and they MUST be or prophecy would be overturned. To suggest that God would allow prophecy to be overturned is lunatic. Not. Going. To. Happen. Replacement Theology posits that God made a mistake in selecting Israel. Presumptuous to say the least.
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Your replacement theology is false. You replace Jesus with those who think he is presently boiling in excrement in hell. (According to the Talmud).
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We are NOT replacing Jesus with the Jews (your antisemitism is showing, by the way). Your accusation is absurd. Jesus was and is the Messiah of Israel in addition to being the Savior of the whole world. It will be a blessed day throughout heaven and earth when they finally recognize "Him whom they have pierced". Here are some points to counter your accusation: 1) The Talmud is NOT authoritative in the way that the Tanakh is. The Tanakh is what we know as our OT--the Torah is the first five books of the Tanakh--Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Jesus very frequently quoted from Deuteronomy. Paul quoted from Deuteronomy as well. Neither quoted from the Talmud which was basically, the Oral Law written down along with the discussions (some of which are very odd) from various rabbis. Nor did they quote from the Oral Law itself. 2)To which Talmud are you referring? The Babylonian Talmud is probably the more popular because it is easier to understand while the Jerusalem Talmud (which was not written in Jerusalem, by the way--it was written in Tiberias) is much more inscrutable. 3) There could be references to "Yeshu"--similar to the shortening of Joshua (English for Yeshua) to Josh but there is no way of knowing that Jesus of Nazareth, Our Savior, is being referenced. There is a lot of rancor expressed in the Talmud but that is because it was written by the rabbis who were under intense persecution while it was being written down. In any case, the Talmud contains a lot of weirdness--it was obviously NOT inspired and there are few (if any) rabbis who would think it was. 4) Most Jews you might speak to today believe that Jesus was a "good man" and possibly even a prophet. Most of them don't even believe in a hell as we think of it. And most of them do not have much of a clue as to what the Talmud says about anything. They don't even know what the Tanakh teaches--Christians probably know more about that than the average Jew! Religious, Orthodox Jews (a minority among Jews) would be the only Jews who pay much attention to the Talmud and most of them pay much more attention to Torah and the Tanakh. Smearing the Jews will not help you.
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Jews are individuals within Israel. Israel is a nation of Jews.
At the second coming all of still living in Israel will be saved. The one third that was not killed by the AC in the tribulation.
There are many Jews in Israel today who are coming to faith in Yeshua ha Maschiach (Jesus, the Messiah). Of the estimated 250,000 Messianic Jews in Europe, prior to the Holocaust, only a handful remained, to make aliyah to Israel, at the end of WWII. The devil hates the Jewish people but apparently hates Jewish Christians even more. Today, there are at least 250,000 Messianic Jews in Israel and they are becoming so numerous that they have been promised their own representation in the Israeli Knesset. It would be good if they formed a party with Arab Christians in Israel. My Messianic Jewish friend says that Arab Christians are wonderful people. She became acquainted with a number of them on her frequent trips to Israel.
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I believe when they are raptured it will be a powerful testimony to Israel. But the majority of Israel will remain Pharisitical Jews. And as the Bible says they think that they can make alliances and peace with the AC. Which will only bring about their slaughter more more more quickly.
Just as the Christians in Egypt and a few other countries will be a powerful testimony.
On the negative side that will cement the Muslims and make them even stronger enemies of Israel and Christians.
Same with Russia. Remove the few Christians and the Communists will be even stronger.
In the EU, the atheists and occultists will be more powerful. They want to see Christians wiped off the face of the earth and will have no problem terminating Muslims who they see as a source of many problems for them.
Bottom line, there is going to be a bloodbath in tribulation just as the Bible prophesies.
With one exception, this is unfortunately true. If it is to be believed, about 90 per cent of the Russian people today identify as Russian Orthodox. Now, that doesn't mean that the majority of those identifying as R.O. are actually real Christians. "Even so, come Lord Jesus."
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In fact, a number of Christians believe that the "Whore of Babylon" will primarily be Islam (but also combined with other false world religions and what is left of "Christendom" after the Rapture). Once the Church is Raptured, that will leave Islam in the driver's seat (1.4 billion of the earth's people identify as Muslims) and the "Kings of the Earth" will use "her" to put their Antichrist agenda in place, attempting to exterminate newly converted Jews and Christians (after the Rapture). But then, because they detest the Whore of Babylon, the "Kings of the Earth" will kill "her" (Revelation 17:16). The Antichrist will want no religious distraction from the worship of himself. Will be an incredibly hellish time on the earth--you can see the beginnings of it even now.
He said Talmud . Not TaNaK . The Talmud is what religious Jews today use as a reference or commentary to the OT or what the Jewish folks called the TaNaK . For the religious Jewish today it guides religious life from how to prepare kosher food ,dress , and understand scripture . Also it dose say Jesus is in hell . Along with that a Christian soul is not even worthy of Hell that we go the way of animals to nonexistents after death .
It’s not a pleasant read . Note Jews don’t consider it inspired like the Books of Moses or the prophets or as valid as the writings. It’s a guild to life and belief. Also note not all Jews esteem the book and some believe it’s outdated . That’s just a background note Core . Not commenting on the topic .
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