For those who think Christ is not God.

[Truther]

Since Jesus is not God, and Thomas was an apostle who knew who God is, then obviously your understanding of what is being said is in error Truth. Some versions add and exclamation point, the KJV does not. It is not necessarily right or wrong, it was the translators prerogative as to how it is rendered. It is the readers responsibility to understand it.

Any time a Bible verse contradicts another, then it is always going to be an individuals understanding that is at fault.


Robert say: You are the Christ, the firstborn son of Jehovah. I fully agree with Peter Joe, and I believe you agree with him as well, especially when Jesus confirmed the accuracy of Peters answer v17. It would appear that we agree on this point.

I regularly use that verse to let Jesus say who he is, and I usually couple it with Jeremiah 10:10 which reads: But Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God and the eternal King.

Jesus' name shall be called the mighty God(Is 9:6) and Thomas calls Jesus his God(John 20) and you say Jesus is not God, even with all that God consists of inside Jesus, bodily(Col 2:9), right now?

I trow not.

 

[TLHKAJ]

You don't like questions.
How about facts.
Jesus prayed and spoke to God.
God spoke back proclaiming "This is my son"
Jesus repeatedly said he is the son of God

Your simply ignoring these facts by using your own human rationale which is flawed.
Address the facts

God in 3 parts ...God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. It's not difficult to understand. Look at Genesis chapter one. You'll see God say, "Let us..."

 

[Johann]

In an old dictionary.

Webster's
J.

 

[Truther]

I would think only the author.

The meanings of the Bible are in the words of the Bible.

 

[Truther]

Webster's
J.

An old one, yes.

For an occasional word per old English.

Not, redefining Greek words.

They is what they is.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I believe that is true. I see it all the time. It's easy to twist words to suit your perspective.

That's why actions speak louder than words and Christ's actions are that he speaks and prays to His Father... God

What will you do with all the scriptures that prove Jesus Christ is God? Is your mind rejecting those? I'm asking sincerely. I'm not accusing. But if you read all the posts in this thread, much scriptural evidence has been posted to support that fact.

 

[Truther]

What will you do with all the scriptures that prove Jesus Christ is God? Is your mind rejecting those? I'm asking sincerely. I'm not accusing. But if you read all the posts in this thread, much scriptural evidence has been posted to support that fact.

If I may, Jesus was made God after his God raised him from the dead. God did not die and resurrect, but God inside Jesus assisted Jesus through the process.

 

[Johann]

An old one, yes.

For an occasional word per old English.

Not, redefining Greek words.

They is what they is.

"Was made" is not to be found in Webster, "Ward is the next word, I think and 'begotten' is also not there...what now?
J.

 

[TLHKAJ]

What?
Are you saying Jesus didn't talk and pray to God?
Are you saying that God did not say "This is my son"?
Are these not facts now

No one is saying that. God the Son prayed/talked to God the Father.

 

[Johann]

The meanings of the Bible are in the words of the Bible.

No, you need to roll up the sleeves and down with the ease and start "diggin'"
J.

 

[Truther]

"Was made" is not to be found in Webster, "Ward is the next word, I think and 'begotten' is also not there...what now?
J.

You do not know what "was made" means?

You have to look it up?

Good thing you don't work in manufacturing, huh?

 

[Truther]

No, you need to roll up the sleeves and down with the ease and start "diggin'"
J.

I will test your English skills.

"Was made in China" means what?

 

[Waiting on him]

God the Son

 

[face2face]

It has nothing to do with my understanding F2F, we dare not lean to our own understanding, it is dangerous and the narrow way is hemned in, thlipses, full of obstacles.
What I DO see, is a lot of philosophizing re the Scriptures, not believing what stands written, Perfect Tense, and a whole lotta worldly terminologies foreign to scripture.
J.

More of the same. As you said, I am in error, but you unable to show how or why...not much of a repartee really.

 

[Waiting on him]

I had to look up malice. Never knew it is connected to the juice from and apple MALIC - Definition from the KJV Dictionary

MA'LIC, a. L.malum, an apple. Pertaining to apples; drawn from the juice of apples; as malic acid.

As you said, Jesus tasted it, but drank not there of. The sophistry that is being pedaled here I drank for a long time.

 

[Truther]

No, the son of God.

No such thing as God the son".

Completely opposite meanings.

 

[Johann]

You do not know what "was made" means?

That's why you need the morphology of the Koine Greek and familiarize yourself with the Syntax, the arrangement of words in sentences, clauses, and phrases, and the study of the formation of sentences and the relationship of their component parts, armed with a good dictionary...
J.

 

[Johann]

You do not know what "was made" means?

You have to look it up?

Good thing you don't work in manufacturing, huh?

Stumped?
J.

 

[Johann]

More of the same. As you said, I am in error, but you unable to show how or why...not much of a repartee really.

No Adroitness on my side..
J.

 

[BarneyFife]

A formula of Anselm's implying that the intelligibility of Christian doctrine can only become evident after belief in it.
J.

He got that from me (lol):

And guess where I got it from?: