For what reason was Jesus to be called the Son of God?

[PGS11]

Have you ever seen one how do you know show us one.

 

[Matthias]

“I” is a singular personal pronoun and means only one person. Is that not something we can agree on?

Unfortunately, it wasn’t something we could agree on. Would someone like to suggest an explanation for why we weren’t to agree that “I” is a singular personal pronoun and means only one person?

 

[Matthias]

Unfortunately, it wasn’t something we could agree on. Would someone like to suggest an explanation for why we weren’t to agree that “I” is a singular personal pronoun and means only one person?

Singular personal pronouns don’t work well with a multi-person being.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Word was an immortal and incorporeal spirit in Heaven, and then He became incarnate as a mortal and corporeal human (Jesus), so that He could die a physical death (Matt. 20:28, Jn. 1:14;6:38;10:15, Lk. 1:31). Then, He brought His lifeless Body back to life by His own power (Jn. 1-:17-18) because He's God, and only God gives and takes away life (Deut. 32:39, Jn. 5:21).

Please show me where it says that Jesus raised himself from the dead…..?

Acts 2:30-36…after the holy spirit was poured out on the faithful in Jerusalem, as Jesus had promised, Peter said to the Jews concerning King David..….
”Therefore, being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him to seat on his throne one of the fruit of his loins, 31 he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he neither was abandoned to the realm of death nor did his flesh see decay. 32 This Jesus God raised to life; of which we are all of us witnesses. 33 So, being raised on high by God’s right hand and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you both see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, but he himself says ‘The Lord said to my lord “Sit at my right hand 35 till I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ 36 So let all the house of Israel know positively that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (BLE)

 

[Aunty Jane]

I did, but here it is again: "I lay down My life, that I may take it again" (Jn. 10:17)

That scripture in a little more context….

“For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” (John 10:17-18 ESV)

The authority to take up his life again comes from his God and Father, who resurrected him.

 

[Berean]

The Word was an immortal and incorporeal spirit in Heaven, and then He became incarnate as a mortal and corporeal human (Jesus), so that He could die a physical death (Matt. 20:28, Lk. 1:31, Jn. 1:14;6:38;10:15).

Where do any of these scriptures show that The Word was "an immortal and incorporeal spirit in heaven"?

Then, He brought His lifeless Body back to life by His own power (Jn. 10:17) because He's God, and only God gives and takes away life (Deut. 32:39, Jn. 5:21).

Really? Other texts indicate that the Father resurrected Jesus, as he did not raise himself. (Acts 2:24; Gal. 1:1) Verse 17 discusses the life rights Jesus willingly gave up at Calvary, which he now possesses again to offer to Justice in due time. While it was essential for the Father to raise him, Jesus understood this before coming to Earth. If we knew we would die while sacrificing ourselves for others, but also knew the Father would bring us back after fulfilling our duty, we could speak as Jesus did. It was certain that Jesus would lay down his life and take it up again, meaning that upon resurrection, he would hold the rights to both spiritual and human life, which he never lost. Jesus allowed his human life to be taken but did not give it up; it remains his. He will share this right to human life with humanity. These life rights are the reward, the Ransom value for the world. 'I lay down my life, that I might take it again.' In summary, after the Father raised him, Jesus has the life rights available to him.

Jesus loved His sheep, and this love came from the Father. John often highlighted the connection between Jesus and the Father. When Jesus spoke of his love, he always included the Father. He was fulfilling the Father's desire for others' salvation, acting as a mediator to achieve it. God is the true Savior, as stated, 'Why do you call me good? There is only one who is good, and that is God' (Matt. 19:17). John's Gospel is exceptional.

 

[David Lamb]

Please show me where it says that Jesus raised himself from the dead…..?

Acts 2:30-36…after the holy spirit was poured out on the faithful in Jerusalem, as Jesus had promised, Peter said to the Jews concerning King David..….
”Therefore, being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him to seat on his throne one of the fruit of his loins, 31 he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he neither was abandoned to the realm of death nor did his flesh see decay. 32 This Jesus God raised to life; of which we are all of us witnesses. 33 So, being raised on high by God’s right hand and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you both see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, but he himself says ‘The Lord said to my lord “Sit at my right hand 35 till I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ 36 So let all the house of Israel know positively that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (BLE)

How about:

“"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

 

[Aunty Jane]

How about:

“"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

This was covered in post #107.
The ”authority” or “power” (“exousia” meaning a free willed choice) to lay down his life and to restore it came from his Father. (Acts 2:32, 36) Both Father and son willingly agreeing to rescue Adam’s children.

Jesus would willingly lay down his life and his God and Father would restore it….and in the process free Adam’s children from the debt he created for them.

The very reason why Jesus was born as a mortal, was so that he could die in our place, lifting the burden of Adamic death from the whole human race….freeing them of their awful inheritance. He did not have to be God to pay the price of redemption, if you understand how redemption works.

All Jesus needed to be was a sinless mortal human….the exact equivalent of Adam, who lost perfect sinless life for all his descendants. A redeemer pays the price demanded under the law to free someone who has been cast into slavery because he could not pay a debt…..perfect human life was lost for the whole human race and Christ forfeited his perfect human life to pay Adam’s debt. That is why he is called “the last Adam”. (1 Cor 15:45) He paid a debt that none of us could. And if he had been a god/man, he would not have been the equivalent of Adam……and he could not have died because God is immortal and cannot die.

Think it through…..

 

[Berean]

"The Word is God "(Jn. 1:1)

That can be debated.

"God is Spirit" (Jn. 4:24) [Note: spirits are immortal and incorporeal beings (Lk. 24:39)]

Yes, I admit "God is Spirit", but Luke 24:39 says nothing about spirits being immortal. Are you saying that angels are immortal, since they are spirit beings? I guess Satan and his demons who are all spirit beings are immortal that even God can't destroy them, since that is what immortal means.

The Word "came down from Heaven" (1:14) and "became flesh" (Jn. 1:14)

Hence, the Word preexisted in Heaven as an immortal and incorporeal Spirit before becoming a mortal and corporeal human.

Still doesn't say he was immortal.

Not only by the Father, and I had said that Jesus brought His Body back to life by His own power. Only God gives and takes away life (Job. 1:21, Deut. 32:39;Ac. 17:24), and God is one and triune:

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I (the Son) will raise it up" (Jn. 10:18)

What translation is this?

 

[Rita]

Please remember the recent rule change, The trinity can no longer be argued against unless you change your status to non christIan.

 

[Rita]

@Origen -please do not draw anyone into a debate about the trinity - I placed a friendly reminder on the thread but further action will be taken if the debate continues.

 

[Matthias]

Please remember the recent rule change, The trinity can no longer be argued against unless you change your status to non christIan.

Thanks.

I changed my registration status from “Christian” to “Other Faith” almost three years ago. I’m a Jewish monotheist who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised and prophesied Messiah, Son of the living God. Other online discussion forums - and academic institutions - have recognized and acknowledged me as a primitive Christian. Being registered here as “Christian” isn’t of any great importance to me. It was an easy change for me to make.

I don’t mind discussing it but I have no interest in debating about the Trinity. Just as it is a settled matter for those who affirm the Nicene Creed, it’s a settled matter for me - a believer who affirms the creed of Judaism.

 

[Berean]

Please remember the recent rule change, The trinity can no longer be argued against unless you change your status to non christIan.

They changed the rules again? Just a few months ago they allowed trinity discussions

 

[Rita]

They changed the rules again? Just a few months ago they allowed trinity discussions

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