FORGIVENESS FOR ISRAEL

[Doug]

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Here Peter was speaking of Christ's resurrection and how Christ has been exalted to God's right hand. It is Israel that receives salvation. He is admonishing them of their guilt for the crucifixion and seeking their repentance. There is no mention here of Gentiles, nor the salvation provided to all by the cross. Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision, which is, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; Jesus's resurrection assured his return to establish His kingdom on earth; the nation of Israel needed to repent.

 

[justbyfaith]

I do believe that the holy scriptures are consistent throughout; and that they preach a singular message.

That said, I believe also that Ephesians 3:6 tells us that the gospel itself (as there is one gospel...Ephesians 4:5) is not only for the Jewish people but for Gentiles also.

 

[Doug]

I do believe that the holy scriptures are consistent throughout; and that they preach a singular message.

That said, I believe also that Ephesians 3:6 tells us that the gospel itself (as there is one gospel...Ephesians 4:5) is not only for the Jewish people but for Gentiles also.

Yes, but that was not revealed in Acts 5

 

[Mungo]

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Here Peter was speaking of Christ's resurrection and how Christ has been exalted to God's right hand. It is Israel that receives salvation. He is admonishing them of their guilt for the crucifixion and seeking their repentance. There is no mention here of Gentiles, nor the salvation provided to all by the cross. Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision, which is, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; Jesus's resurrection assured his return to establish His kingdom on earth; the nation of Israel needed to repent.

There is no reason for Peter to mention gentiles here.
He is speaking to the Council and elders of Israel - specifically the high priest.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Here Peter was speaking of Christ's resurrection and how Christ has been exalted to God's right hand. It is Israel that receives salvation. He is admonishing them of their guilt for the crucifixion and seeking their repentance. There is no mention here of Gentiles, nor the salvation provided to all by the cross. Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision, which is, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; Jesus's resurrection assured his return to establish His kingdom on earth; the nation of Israel needed to repent.

The same message was preached by Paul when he was sent by Christ himself to the gentiles..

As for no gentile mentioned here, Why would it? Peter was talking to Jews, who did crucify Christ, He was not speaking to a gentile so there is no need to mention them

 

[Doug]

The same message was preached by Paul when he was sent by Christ himself to the gentiles..

As for no gentile mentioned here, Why would it? Peter was talking to Jews, who did crucify Christ, He was not speaking to a gentile so there is no need to mention them

Yes, Christ came only to Israel. Gentiles could only be blessed through Israel.
Only Paul revealed his redemption was also for all.

 

[Mungo]

Yes, Christ came only to Israel. Gentiles could only be blessed through Israel.
Only Paul revealed his redemption was also for all.

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (John 1:29)

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. (John 3:16)

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:17)

They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is truly the Saviour of the world.” (John 4:42)

And more in John's gospel.
Then
"and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (1John 2:22)

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Yes, Christ came only to Israel. Gentiles could only be blessed through Israel.
Only Paul revealed his redemption was also for all.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The promise

In you (Christ) shall ALL THE NATIONS be blessed

Chrst was sent to the world. Not just to Israel, He was sent to the world THROUGH Israel

 

[Doug]

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (John 1:29)

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. (John 3:16)

“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:17)

They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is truly the Saviour of the world.” (John 4:42)

And more in John's gospel.
Then
"and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (1John 2:22)

These verses do not contradict that the Gentiles had to come through Israel...the whole world will be blessed in the millennial kingdom on earth when Christ and the remnant of Israel will reign....at that time the Gentiles will be blessed through Israel.

 

[Doug]

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

First of all, Christ revealed to Paul that all would be justified by believing in the blood redemption of Christ.
The Gentiles Paul speaks of in Romans 11 are not the Gentiles in this dispensation saved by grace.
Romans 9 through 11 is about Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.
Romans 9:24 Not only the Jews believed the gospel of the kingdom, and the preaching of Jesus and the twelve, but also Gentiles (Acts 10:45). This was not our gospel of grace. They only believed on the name of Jesus (John 3:18 John 20:31).
Romans 9:27 This is identifying the remnant of Israel as what Paul is talking about. The remnant is the believing Jews and Gentiles who will enter the promised kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Exodus 19:5-6).
Romans 9:30 Those Gentiles had faith, which Israel rejected.
Romans 11:5 At the time Paul was writing, the remnant of Israel, Jew and Gentile, were participants in the church.
Romans 11:11 The believing Gentiles would provoke unbelieving Israel to jealousy.
Romans 11:13 Paul was speaking to the Gentiles, not in the body of Christ, but in the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:17 The Gentiles were grafted into the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:20 Unbelieving Israel was broken off the tree. The Gentiles were grafted in by faith
Romans 11:20 The Gentiles could also be broken off branches.
Romans 11:25-27 Israel will be saved.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Here Peter was speaking of Christ's resurrection and how Christ has been exalted to God's right hand. It is Israel that receives salvation. He is admonishing them of their guilt for the crucifixion and seeking their repentance. There is no mention here of Gentiles, nor the salvation provided to all by the cross. Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision, which is, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; Jesus's resurrection assured his return to establish His kingdom on earth; the nation of Israel needed to repent.

It sounds like you're espousing Dispensationalism, which has a different gospel for the Jews than for the Gentiles. Clearly, only one Gospel is preached in the NT, and it began to be preached even while the Law was still in effect.

That is why it *appears* as if the Gospel was exclusively for Jews to begin with. And Jesus did say some things to that effect, that Israel comprised "God's children," and Gentiles were "pagan dogs."

However, Jesus made it clear that he was non-discriminatory, knowing that Gentiles were indeed allowed into the community of Israel, if they indeed embraced the Law of Israel, and stopped being pagans. And after the resurrection, Jesus plainly said his Gospel would include, at that moment, all nations, mandating to his apostles that they preach the Gospel to "all nations."

So there is no Dispensational division of the Gospel into Jewish and non-Jewish sides. It is one Gospel, even though the Gospel began to be preached in Israel first, and then spread out across the world.

 

[justbyfaith]

Consider that Galatians 2:7 tells us that there is a gospel to the circumcision ans a gospel to the uncircumcision.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Consider that Galatians 2:7 tells us that there is a gospel to the circumcision ans a gospel to the uncircumcision.

Good point. I still stand by my point that it is essentially one Gospel. But yes, the language here indicates that the one Gospel has two distinct applications, initially only to the Jewish People under the Law, and later to all men.

These are not two separate gospels, but rather, the same Gospel being preached to two distinct audiences, the circumcision and the uncircumcision. The Gospel was designed to be preached to all, including Jew and Gentile.

If different language was used in addressing the Jews, it did not consist of theological differences--only cultural, or ethnic, differences. Dispensationalism amplifies these differences to the degree Jews are able to rationalize having a return to the OT legal system. This is, in my view, very wrong!

 

[Doug]

It sounds like you're espousing Dispensationalism, which has a different gospel for the Jews than for the Gentiles. Clearly, only one Gospel is preached in the NT, and it began to be preached even while the Law was still in effect.

That is why it *appears* as if the Gospel was exclusively for Jews to begin with. And Jesus did say some things to that effect, that Israel comprised "God's children," and Gentiles were "pagan dogs."

However, Jesus made it clear that he was non-discriminatory, knowing that Gentiles were indeed allowed into the community of Israel, if they indeed embraced the Law of Israel, and stopped being pagans. And after the resurrection, Jesus plainly said his Gospel would include, at that moment, all nations, mandating to his apostles that they preach the Gospel to "all nations."

So there is no Dispensational division of the Gospel into Jewish and non-Jewish sides. It is one Gospel, even though the Gospel began to be preached in Israel first, and then spread out across the world.

The Jews during the earthly ministry of Christ and in Acts were given the gospel of the kingdom, the coming kingdom on earth, we are not given this gospel.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Jews during the earthly ministry of Christ and in Acts were given the gospel of the kingdom, the coming kingdom on earth, we are not given this gospel.

We'll have to disagree on this one. I do believe that initially the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached only to the Jews, while the Law remained in effect. But once Christ rose from the dead, the Gospel of the Kingdom was given to the whole world.

 

[Doug]

We'll have to disagree on this one. I do believe that initially the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached only to the Jews, while the Law remained in effect. But once Christ rose from the dead, the Gospel of the Kingdom was given to the whole world.

The body of Christ has not been given the gospel of the kingdom....the body has been given the heavenly kingdom.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

We'll have to disagree on this one. I do believe that initially the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached only to the Jews, while the Law remained in effect. But once Christ rose from the dead, the Gospel of the Kingdom was given to the whole world.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Stan B]

Israel is under the Abrahamic Covenant, under which Scripture declares that ALL Israel will be saved.

"For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so ** ALL ** all Israel will be saved; just as it is written “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins. (Romans 11:25-27)

“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” Isaiah 59:20

Isaiah 45:17 Israel has been saved by the LORD With an everlasting salvation; You will not be put to shame or humiliated To all eternity.

Isaiah 45:25“In the LORD ***ALL*** the offspring of Israel Will be justified, and will glory.”

 

[Fred Eans]

During the end time, God will join two sticks together, each having a name. The represent the tribes of Israel, and Judah, whom at this time are separated. They will become as they were at the Exodus, but without the doubts and murmurings.