Four Times People Physically Tried To Kill JESUS, But He Would Not Let Them Until He Decided When = Luke 4;24-31

[ChristisGod]

Yes, through Jesus, who was sent by God, his Father, we obtain eternal life.


Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 1:3

There is no eternal life apart from God and no Savior from sin apart from God. No man has eternal in them as it’s source and no man can be the Savior of the world unless that man just so happens to be God Himself.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wrangler]

Why is this not clear?

IDOLATRY.

As a child, seeing The Ten Commandments where the people made Aaron forge a golden calf, I childishly thought idolatry is old fashioned; people today know things they make are not gods; that god made people; people did not make god.

But as I grew in wisdom and stature, I broadened my understanding of both, ‘worship’ and ‘IDOLATRY.’ It is the water in which us fish live, so pervasive is it.

IDOLATRY reigns throughout Christendom. Many idolize their doctrines Others idolize the Bible and even idolize one particular translation. I just finished a Bible Study where we delved into Biblical idolatry. So many sacred cows …

 

[Wrangler]

unless that man just so happens to be God Himself.

What verse says that a man is God?

 

[ChristisGod]

What verse says that a man is God?

John 1:1 - 1:18. John 20:28, Colossians 1:19 and 2:9. 1 John 5:20, Hebrews 1:1-10, Colossians 1:15-17, 2 Peter 1:1 and 1:11.

Just to name a few .

 

[Wrangler]

Just to name a few .

In other words, you got nothing. Not one verse you cited actually says a man is God. Not one. Of course, one can read anything into anything if they are so motivated.

 

[ChristisGod]

In other words, you got nothing. Not one verse you cited actually says a man is God. Not one. Of course, one can read anything into anything if they are so motivated.

It says Christ is God.

Are you denying He is and was a man ?

 

[Wrangler]

It says Christ is God.

Are you denying

Nowhere does Scripture say Christ is God. I’m denying your fact less claim.

 

[ChristisGod]

Nowhere does Scripture say Christ is God. I’m denying your fact less claim.

Thomas called Him God. Paul called Him God, John called Him God, The Father called Him God, the author of Hebrews called Him God.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

The Father and Son share the same attributes as God

1-God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14) Jesus is our judge (2Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12)
2-God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22) Jesus Christ (the Lamb)is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)
3-God is the first and the last (Is 44:6, 48:12) Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 22:13)
4-God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6) Jesus is the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13)
5-Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21) Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20)
6-God is our hope (Ps 71:5) Jesus is our hope (1Tim 1:11)
7-God is eternal(Deut 33:27) Jesus is eternal (Is 9:6, Heb 1:10-11)
8-God will come with the holy ones (Zech 14:5) Jesus will come with the holy ones (1Thess 3:13)
9-Only God is our savior (Is 43:11) Jesus is our savior (Tit 2:13, 2Pet 1:1)
10-God is the creator of the universe (Is 44:24, Jer 27:5) Jesus is (Jn 1:3)
11-To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Is 45:22-23) To Jesus (Phil 2:10-11)
12-God is the same and His years will have no end (Ps 102:27) Jesus is the same and His years will have no end (Heb 1:12)
13-God is immutable (Mal 3:6) Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8)
14-God is over all (Ps 97:9) Jesus is over all (Jn 3:31)
15-The spirit of God dwells in us (Rom 8:9) The spirit of Jesus dwells in us (Gal 4:6)
16-God is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (Is 8:14) Jesus is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (1Pet 2:8)
17-God is our shepherd (Ps 23:1) Jesus is our shepherd (Jn 10:11, 1Pet 5:4, Heb 13:20)
18-God is our Lord of Lords (Deut 10:17, Ps 136:3) Jesus is Lord of Lords (Rev 17:14)
19-God is our only rock (Is 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22) Jesus is our rock (1Cor 10:4)
20-No one can snatch us out of Gods hand (Deut 32:39) No one can snatch us out of Jesus hand (Jn 10:28)
21-God is the horn of salvation (2Sam 22:3) Jesus is the horn of salvation (Lk 1:68-69)
22-God renders according to our works (Ps 62:12) Jesus renders according to our works (Mt 16:27, Rev 22:12)
23-God loves and corrects (Prov 3:12) Jesus loves and corrects (Rev 3:19)
24-Gods words will stand forever (Is 40:8) Jesus words will stand forever (Mt 24:35)
25-God is the eternal light (Is 60:19) Jesus is the eternal light (Jn 8:12, Rev 21:3)
26-God seeks to save the lost (Ez 34:16) Jesus seeks to save the lost (Lk 19:10)
27-Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1) Paul is a slave of Christ (Rom 1:1)
28-God raised Jesus from the dead (Gal 1:1) Jesus raised himself from the dead (Jn 2:19-21)
29-God is our guide (Ps 48:14) Jesus is our guide (Lk 1:79)
30-God is our deliverer (Ps 70:5, 2Sam 22:2) Jesus is our deliverer (Rom 11:26)
31-God is called God (Is 44:8) Jesus is called God (Jn 20:28)
32-God is the king of Israel (Is 44:6) Jesus is the king of Israel (Mt 27:42, Jn 1:19)
33- God is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 1:8) Jesus is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:13)
34- God is the king of Kings (1 Tim 5:15-16) Jesus is the King of Kings (Rev 17:14)

 

[Wrangler]

Thomas called Him God. Paul called Him God, John called Him God, The Father called Him God, the author of Hebrews called Him God.

hope this helps !!!

None of what you claim is true. Again, when I drop my toast butter side down, I’m not literally claiming it is sugar. Anyway, PM for more discussion on the details and have a fun and safe holiday weekend.

 

[ChristisGod]

Nowhere does Scripture say Christ is God. I’m denying your fact less claim.

Here is another example where Christ is called God by an Apostle.

2 Peter 1:1
τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

2 Peter 1:11
τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

2 Peter 1:1
our God and Savior, Jesus Christ

2 Peter 1:11
our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

We have a second person possessive pronoun "Our" modifying two different improper nouns (God and Savior) joined by "and" (Kia) to identify a proper noun (Jesus) [Granville/Sharp's]. Therefore, by basic grammar, we are identifying Jesus as God and Savior. We don't even have to know the Greek to see that Jesus is being called both God and Savior/ Lord and Savior in Peters 2nd Epistle. 2 Peter 2:20 and 2 Peter 3:18 also have the same Greek construction as 1:1 and 1:11.

But for those interested in the Greek here is the comparison of 1:1 and 1:11.

τοῦ is the same.
ἡμῶν is the same.
καὶ is the same.
Σωτῆρος is the same.
Ἰησοῦ is the same.
Χριστοῦ· is the same.

And all in the same order.

The only difference is the noun "Θεοῦ" in v.1, while "Κυρίου" is in v.11.

So if he wants to deny that Jesus is "God" ("theou") in v.1, then he has to deny that Jesus is "Lord" ("kuriou") in v.11. Otherwise he's being inconsistent and dishonest with the text. To say otherwise is proof positive one has an agenda when reading scripture and using eisegesis rather than exegesis of the biblical text in question.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wrangler]

Here is another example where Christ is called God by an Apostle.

Hmmm. Odd that you ignore what Jesus himself said only to read into what others said.

Jesus teaches-The Father( one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3)---What dont you understand about that? So by ones teaching God to be a trinity are actually calling Jesus a liar--We all must choose who we believe. All true followers believe Jesus.

 

[ChristisGod]

Hmmm. Odd that you ignore what Jesus himself said only to read into what others said.

None of the above addresses Peter calling Him God in his epistle.

 

[Wrangler]

So if he wants to deny that Jesus is "God" ("theou") in v.1, then he has to deny that Jesus is "Lord" ("kuriou") in v.11.

Already covered. There are dozens of lords in the Bible. Jesus is one of them. Jesus tells us that the only true God is our Heavenly Father. Why don’t you believe Jesus?

 

[ChristisGod]

Already covered. There are dozens of lords in the Bible. Jesus is one of them. Jesus tells us that the only true God is our Heavenly Father. Why don’t you believe Jesus?

Same construction in the Greek so He is being called both Lord and God by Peter.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wrangler]

Same construction in the Greek so He is being called both Lord and God by Peter.

So, what Jesus said on the topic is less relevant than what Peter said. Have a great weekend!

 

[ChristisGod]

So, what Jesus said on the topic is less relevant than what Peter said. Have a great weekend!

No your misunderstanding of Jesus words in 17:3 is the issue. You are practicing eisegesis by reading into scripture that Christ is not God everywhere instead of letting the Bible speak on its own . You have isolated 17:3 from the rest of the Bible which is poor hermeneutics

 

[Wrangler]

No your misunderstanding of Jesus words in 17:3 is the issue. You are practicing eisegesis by reading into scripture that Christ is not God everywhere instead of letting the Bible speak on its own . You have isolated 17:3 from the rest of the Bible which is poor hermeneutics

It's the precise opposite. You are projecting and ignoring the plain words of Jesus on the matter. Our heavenly Father is the only true God according to Jesus. That's good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

 

[ChristisGod]

It's the precise opposite. You are projecting and ignoring the plain words of Jesus on the matter. Our heavenly Father is the only true God according to Jesus. That's good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

One isolated verse doesn’t trump the other 100 that contradict your view.

 

[Wrangler]

One isolated verse doesn’t trump the other 100 that contradict your view.

Not one single verse contradictions John 17:3. Not one single time is your view in Scripture. Not once!

Yes, through Jesus, who was sent by God, his Father, we obtain eternal life.
No

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 1:3

Who is God? According to Ephesian 1:3, God is the Father of Jesus. Jesus says so himself in John 20:17 and Rev 3:12. Again, Jesus saying that the Father is the only true God is good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?