gay christians?

[BreadOfLife]

I guess the catholics are gay friendly now right? If they still think it's a sin the gay person can swing by the church and confess to their priest and be all good to go.

Kinda like in those mafia movies. They go out and murder someone, swing by the priest's crib for absolution, and get back to their mafia social club for some drinks with their mafia brothers.

Maybe catholics believe they can do all the sin they want as long as they go by the the priest's crib and do a few hail marys!

Another ignorant post by a person who gets his/her theology from watching too many idiotic Hollywood movies.

If yow wanna try to have an intelligent conversation – pull your head out . . .

I head they try to talk to dead relatives and stuff. Pretty freaky stuff!

Soooo, YOU believe that people in Heaven who are in the eternal presence of Almighty God are "dead"??
Now THAT'S pretty freaky . . .

Luke 2-:38
“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him ALL are alive.”

 

[Marymog]

As with the Holy Father’s above-mentioned response to the Dubia of two Cardinals, this Declaration remains firm on the traditional doctrine of the Church about marriage, not allowing any type of liturgical rite or blessing similar to a liturgical rite that can create confusion. The value of this document, however, is that it offers a specific and innovative contribution to the pastoral meaning of blessings, permitting a broadening and enrichment of the classical understanding of blessings, which is closely linked to a liturgical perspective. Such theological reflection, based on the pastoral vision of Pope Francis, implies a real development from what has been said about blessings in the Magisterium and the official texts of the Church. This explains why this text has taken on the typology of a “Declaration.”

It is precisely in this context that one can understand the possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and same-sex couples without officially validating their status or changing in any way the Church’s perennial teaching on marriage.


"Couples in an irregular situation..."

Don't you think that's somewhat obscure compared to what the Bible says about homosexuality?

Are we to assume, perhaps, that "couples in an irregular situation" is a broader term that only partially and coincidentally includes same-sex couples?

I kind of doubt it.

Compartmentalizing the issue into separate theologies of "blessing" and "marriage" is not fooling anyone.

The ideology of LGBT~, without which this new document would not exist, only tends to confuse and obscure wherever it makes inroads.

Because IT IS confusion.

LGBT~ is currently the foremost component of the postmodern philosophy of despair, which splits humanity into the oppressed and the oppressors, rather than the Biblical model of those who serve God and those who serve Him not.



If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me: (Psalms 66:18)


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Well, as you can see Bfife it mentions BOTH; couples in an irregular situation and same sex-couples. Soooo what does that mean? It means couples in an irregular situation is DIFFERENT than same sex couples.

Marriage is a sacrament from God. Two athiest get "married". Is that irregular. Can they still obtain a blessing. Two people date for 5 years. Move in together without getting married. Have kids. Believe there is a God but never go to church. Is that an irregular situation when it comes to "marriage" in the eyes of God. Remember, a blessing is opposite of a curse. Should the priest ignore them if they ask for a blessing? Wouldn't that be kind of like cursing them?

Hope that helps Bfife.....Also, I appreciate your tone compared to some on this thread. It is greatly appreciated.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're saying the news media all got together and decided to publish false reports claiming your pope dude guy is saying it's OK to bless same sex couples?

They just came out with this out of the blue and for no reason?

Maybe they are picking on your pope or something?

They could be just punking him!

So, you’re NOT aware that the leftist media misquotes or prints half-truths with regard to ALL Christian sources?

Have you been in a coma for the last 30 years - or are you just “special”?

Here’s a hint:
Try to use a modicum of intelligence when typing out your thoughts . . .

PS – the Pope NEVER gave permission to bless same sex unions.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

There is no such being as a true believer in Christ and being " gay" !

gay adjective
1.sexually or romantically attracted to people of one's own sex.
Similar:
homosexual
queer
lesbian
lesbigay
LGBT
LGBTQ
GLBT
pink
lavender
homophile
Uranian
that way
Opposite:
heterosexual
straight
2.DATED
lighthearted and carefree.

Being of this persuasion is an abominal sin, so one cannot continue in and be a believer.
An abomination in English is that which is exceptionally loathsome, hateful, sinful, wicked, or vile.
Lev.18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:27 /32; 12: 26-28; 1Tim.1:10; Jude 1;7;

A believer is one who is a follower of Christ and is attached to the true vine by the Holy Spirit.
Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it anything that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie, but only they that are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is no such being as a true believer in Christ and being " gay" !

IF they are living the lifestyle.
If they choose to remain chase, however, they can have a perfectly wonderful relationchip woth Christ.

The same is true for a person with a proclivity toward heterosexual fornication or any other sinful tendency.

 

[BarneyFife]

Well, as you can see Bfife it mentions BOTH; couples in an irregular situation and same sex-couples. Soooo what does that mean? It means couples in an irregular situation is DIFFERENT than same sex couples.

Marriage is a sacrament from God. Two athiest get "married". Is that irregular. Can they still obtain a blessing. Two people date for 5 years. Move in together without getting married. Have kids. Believe there is a God but never go to church. Is that an irregular situation when it comes to "marriage" in the eyes of God. Remember, a blessing is opposite of a curse. Should the priest ignore them if they ask for a blessing? Wouldn't that be kind of like cursing them?

Hope that helps Bfife.....Also, I appreciate your tone compared to some on this thread. It is greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your civility, Mary. And you're entirely welcome.

But do you honestly think this current news item would be on anyone's radar if it were only about irregular situations that didn't include LGBT actors?

Because I really don't think so. And it all tends to muddy the waters as to what God approves of and what He does not.

I heard a popular conservative speaker repeat a personal motto that goes like this:

"Standards in the macro; compassion in the micro."

I really like that.

IOW, "I'd love to have you over for dinner, but I'm not baptizing rebellion."

And "blessing" seems to be straddling dinner and (admittedly figurative) "baptism" to me. I think it's a predictable hazard of the complexity of Catholic liturgy.

And LGBT ideology has mastered the exploitation of nearly every institution upon which it takes aim. Critical theory has been much kinder to it than it has to the other elements of "intersectionality."

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[St. SteVen]

It's not the responsibility of the church to negotiate the intricacies and sophistication of sin that people choose to involve themselves in.



What's up is that parents are humoring the sexualization of children that aren't even old enough to decide whether they want to be a doctor or a fireman when they grow up, which is bound to result in cognitive difficulties and consequences in mental health.

Problems are not solved by the over-simplification nor the over-complication of them.



Folks tend to find themselves uncomfortable at church when they justify a departure from God's standards of behavior. This is nothing new, SS.



Blanket statements about what can or can't be, or is commonly done may serve well to cast doubt on the state of hypothetical church(es), but they don't do much to solve the problems about which critics are up in arms.

None of which has to do with the topic of the thread, I guess.

The topic of sin(s) is different than the topic of charity/love or than that of church discipline, all of which come into play in these situations.

We can't alter the definitions of one to facilitate the other(s). :)

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Wow.

- A three year old boy is more interested in playing with Barbie than G.I. Joe. And you say sin?

- A teen has always felt a same sex attraction as long as they can remember. And you say sin?

- Christian parents are dealing with a teen who has just come out to them as gay.
And you say sin? "Away, OUT OF THE CHURCH, YOU SINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Doesn't the church need to come to grips with this?

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[Athanasius377]

Que the hair splitting. RCC apologists know Fiducia Supplicans is a subversive document. Francis knows this and that’s why it was released. No matter how you interpret the document it is a change from the response to the Dubia that was released in March or 2021. This is development of doctrine in practice. It’s indefensible and our RCC friends understand this. They just can’t admit as much yet. Either the blessing of SS couples will be a thing or Francis is an anti pope. That happens when your final authority isn’t scripture it’s is scripture plus something. Consider the fact Francis would have been executed in some horrible way just over a hundred years ago for suggesting such a thing as published in Fiducia Supplicans.

For those who have never been part of a mainline church body, this is what the beginning of a schism looks like. First there will blessings of SS marriages regardless of how that is defined. Then the clergy that resist will be replaced. Then the laity that object will be drummed out of their churches. Then the development will come from on high. Then there will be a schism. Mark my words, it won’t stop with blessings of individuals in irregular relationships. I saw the same thing with Anglicans.

 

[Mr E]

Continuing with an examination of the Pope’s Declaration….

In addition to his claim that blessings possess ‘special powers’ he directs priests in this statement not to be too discriminating in selecting just whom to bless. After all, says the Pope—

28. There are several occasions when people spontaneously ask for a blessing, whether on pilgrimages, at shrines, or even on the street when they meet a priest.

Here, he is doing his best to minimize the group he’s actually talking about (gays in irregular marriages) and equivocating that group with folks you might meet on the street— pilgrims, or elderly people, are the examples he offers. He’s saying -it’s all the same. Irregular, perhaps, but otherwise completely normal. (Cough). There are several rites like this, for those pilgrims, old folks, or the sick— and ‘Such blessings are meant for everyone; no one is to be excluded from them.” That’s the parallel he is drawing, as guidance for his priests.

He goes on… again, the comparison is made between this irregular group and elderly folks— those whom we should bless and be thankful for. No one can be prevented from this act of giving thanks, and each person—even if he or she lives in situations that are not ordered to the Creator’s plan—possesses positive elements for which we can praise the Lord.

So you see, the Pope is saying— sure, these LGBTQ+++ folks might live in situations that are not ordered to the Creator’s plan, but shucks— Praise the Lord anyway and bless them for the positive elements they possess.

 

[Mr E]

In the magical kingdom of the Catholic Church, there are different kinds of blessings- each, presumably with different ‘special powers‘ (his words) that can be conferred. There’s the super-duper blessings that are liturgical— but no…. That’s not the kind we are talking about for the gays. We are talking about Diet Blessings only. Like Blessings LITE. There are ascending and descending blessings.

29. From the perspective of the ascending dimension, when one becomes aware of the Lord’s gifts and his unconditional love, even in sinful situations—particularly when a prayer finds a hearing—the believer’s heart lifts its praise to God and blesses him. No one is precluded from this type of blessing. Everyone, individually or together with others, can lift their praise and gratitude to God.

NO ONE IS PRECLUDED FROM Blessings LITE. Not even in sinful situations. Apparently you could perhaps be sodomizing your “husband” and if you are a believer— your heart can lift praise to God and bless him— so says the Pope… I mean no one is precluded, even in sinful situations.

But we find many here so willing to defend this activist Pope’s nonsense.

 

[Mr E]

But what about descending blessings?

30. The popular understanding of blessings, however, also values the importance of descending blessings. While “it is not appropriate for a Diocese, a Bishops’ Conference, or any other ecclesial structure to constantly and officially establish procedures or rituals for all kinds of matters,” pastoral prudence and wisdom—avoiding all serious forms of scandal and confusion among the faithful—may suggest that the ordained minister join in the prayer of those persons who, although in a union that cannot be compared in any way to a marriage, desire to entrust themselves to the Lord and his mercy, to invoke his help, and to be guided to a greater understanding of his plan of love and of truth.


Certainly “not appropriate” to establish rites and rituals for all kinds of matters constantly—- I mean for goodness sake- “pastoral prudence and wisdom” most be employed to avoid serious scandal and confusion. (Heaven forbid!). What we need is clarity! And that’s why this Pope offers this Declaration, to guide priests toward a greater understanding of God’s plan of love and of (ahem) truth.

I’m done.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

@Mr E fits the dictionary definition of internet troll.

No. You and your other Catholic alias are. WBRYA.Wont Be Reading You Again.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

She's desperately trying to make it personal. That's what desperate people do when their argument is weak. Distract, divert, and run from discussion and dialogue.

It's what 'social media' tried to do when truth got in the way of propaganda. Silence infidels! If you don't agree with us, we will cut out your tongue.

This is the most recent Catholic version of it (followed by that earleir version of it already recorded in history)

Why presume it is female?

You don't notice? The personality and hate filled behavior of MoG and that other one, are identical.

 

[Cassandra]

BRAVO BRAVO

You reap what you sow.

Can we say

HARVEST TIME

You post just like the other guys that are new here with all those emoticons. Is that a signature for a brotherhood?

 

[St. SteVen]

You post just like the other guys that are new here with all those emoticons. Is that a signature for a brotherhood?

Probably a coven. - LOL

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[Gabriel _Arch]

You post just like the other guys that are new here with all those emoticons. Is that a signature for a brotherhood?

And they've all joined within the same timeframe of "each account".

There has to be a way to tell they're one person trolling under many aliases.
They all sound the same.

MoG and BoL. Limited imagination in choosing their names makes their identical personality in postings obvious. Now we have others. Or maybe that same one.

 

[Mr E]

And they've all joined within the same timeframe of "each account".

There has to be a way to tell they're one person trolling under many aliases.
They all sound the same.

MoG and BoL. Limited imagination in choosing their names makes their identical personality in postings obvious. Now we have others. Or maybe that same one.

Their accounts can be throttled. Limited to a post a day, for example. A Mod or Admin can also track their IP address and slam the ban hammer if these are just sock puppet accounts.

 

[St. SteVen]

And they've all joined within the same timeframe of "each account".

There has to be a way to tell they're one person trolling under many aliases.
They all sound the same.

MoG and BoL. Limited imagination in choosing their names makes their identical personality in postings obvious. Now we have others. Or maybe that same one.

Fortunately, they are on their way out. Bing, bing, bing, bing... Gone!

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[BarneyFife]

- A three year old boy is more interested in playing with Barbie than G.I. Joe. And you say sin?

No, I don't. Unless you think I could equate a boy playing with a doll with lying with a man as with a woman or lusting after a man in his three-year-old boy's heart. What are we doing here, SS? Because it seems somewhat like evil surmising against a 3-year-old to me.

And I think I could manage encourage a 3-year-old to play with more gender-neutral or gender-appropriate toys without anything that could be reasonably considered abuse. Granted, I wouldn't have my children twerking on Tiktok or watching Modern Family or some other degenerate swill on TV, either.

- A teen has always felt a same sex attraction as long as they can remember. And you say sin?

How long is "as long as they can remember?" When a child is old enough to have sexual fantasies that go beyond temptation, that is sin whether the object is male or female. The mental constipation surrounding this issue is astounding to me. Nothing personal, SS. I hope we're friendly enough for you to believe that.

- Christian parents are dealing with a teen who has just come out to them as gay.
And you say sin?

Do you think I say that? Is "trying to deal with" the same thing as excusing to you?

Doesn't the church need to come to grips with this?

What does "come to grips with" mean? How does it look at each level of the hypothetical? Are you saying we need a manual with checklists and such? Do you understand what I mean by criticism of generalizations?

Murderers and thieves make messes when they conceive of and commit their crimes. It takes wisdom and love to untangle them. It seems to me that those who call sin by its right name are not the only ones who characterize sins of perversion as something special. :)

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[BarneyFife]

And they've all joined within the same timeframe of "each account".

There has to be a way to tell they're one person trolling under many aliases.
They all sound the same.

MoG and BoL. Limited imagination in choosing their names makes their identical personality in postings obvious. Now we have others. Or maybe that same one.

MOG and BOL are not the same people. They have very distinct personalities.

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