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Genesis - The True Story of the Beginning....

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  1. 4Pillars

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    My theory based on the Scripture:

    We live in a Multiverse.
    Gen 1:6-8 shows the 1st heaven (Adam’ world) was created on the 2nd Day. Gen 2:4 shows other heavenS (plural) being made on another Day. The 2nd heaven or world is our present universe. The 3rd heaven is where Jesus is right now, preparing another place for us to live in when this world is burned. That's a Multiverse, containing at least 2 or more separate heavens / universes.

    Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.7 Billion years ago, and God shows it was the 3rd Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time.

    Adam’s world or “mini-universe”, was made the same DAY during the BB of our kosmos on the 3rd Day…. some 13.7B years ago in man’s time…. right after it cooled off. Adam's firmament or boundary was much smaller than the present boundary of our Biosphere or Universe. Adam’s “mini-world” while originally made smaller than our own present world, had its own complex but organized and orderly system of universe.

    Just to give us an idea of what we are talking about.... Below is an Ancient Jewish perception of their Flat World.... It's a SIMILE but not necessary or exactly my view....

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/194217802651897361/

    [Job 38:4-7 KJV] 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (prehistoric people of the 1st world) shouted for joy?

    Our present world or universe was like a johnny comes lately and was made some 4.5B years ago and was incorporation to the existing world of Adam - by adding / stretching our heaven / earth and into the surface or biosphere of Adam’s world… forming into what we now see, today - a perfect circular or round globe. It was finally complete and ready for inhabitation thereoff some 3.7B years ago in man’s time.

    After the incorporation of our new heaven and earth from Adam’s world…. while it’s still protected by its own separate and enclosed firmament of heaven… Adam's former world's location (garden of Eden) - before he was driven away and sent to from whence he came - became completely surrounded / covered inside of our present Hallow Earth.

    Adam’s firmament of heaven was located in the vicinity beneath the surface of the body of waters in Lake Van, Turkey, where it was placed. It was in a completely enclosed Biosphere, similar to an incubator of Humanity. Adam’s world was contained in the interior of our Hollow Earth, beneath the surface of Lake Van, Turkey, which is about 75 miles wide and 1500 feet deep.

    During the Flood, the Ark which had covering on top, was lift up above this earth and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van, Turkey), and as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world.... and Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in that Global Flood. If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

    This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

    2Pe 3:5-6 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

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    The idea that Noah brought a lot of animals on this present planet of ours is UnScriptural. The total number could easily have been few hundred creatures only. There was no need to bring creatures which were created from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same creatures (Their Kind - Trinity) were already on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years when the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 11k +- years ago.

    The creatures which were aboard the Ark were the creatures which Jesus or YHWH, the Son, made with His own Hands (His Kind). Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this present planet of ours was a direct descendant of Adam... the first Human, .... and his name was Noah. Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science and History agree and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 11k +- years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.

    God bless
     
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    Here is what the real story of the Tower of Babel actually teaches - based on the Scripture, logical analysis and historical scenario:

    When the rains came to the world of Adam, the firmament, which protected the first world from the water that surrounded it…. it started to brake down and began to sink. The Ark, which was already upon the waters began to rise as the firmament of their heaven sank. This released the Ark into ANOTHER world, to the present world of ours.

    Noah's descendants thought they could build a tower to Heaven and escape the present Earth, just like Noah' Ark had escaped from the first Earth. They didn't want to be scattered over the whole face of the Earth, into the lands of the Savages (prehistoric people), so they tried to escape our world, but the LORD had other plans.

    Thus, Humanity scattered over the face of the present Earth and the prehistoric people on this planet changed from innocent animal to Human intelligence. This shows that Humans did NOT evolve from Apes but from Noah's descendants.

    Remember, the 1st heaven or universe was Adam's world (Gen 1:6-8 KJV), which was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. The present Universe is the 2nd Heaven, our world, made Billions of years AFTER Adam's world was made, and is also doomed for destruction and will be dissolved too. The 3rd Heaven or world is where Christians will go AFTER our world is burned Rev 21.

    [Rev 21:1 KJV] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    God Bless
     
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    Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric people) instead of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans.

    This is clear when you ask Evols to explain WHERE the first Human came from, since the only way in which Humans can pass the invisible intelligence of Adam, to another Human, is through the birthing process. Evols run, hide, call names, imply that anyone who asks this question is nuts, and claim there was no first Human and that magical evolution did it.

    NONE of them can produce ANY evidence of this event since Science is currently IGNORANT of the difference between Human and animal intelligence Today. They would have us believe that Apes evolved into Humans and that it happened 200k years ago.

    Evols also falsely CLAIM that long periods of time and numerous positive mutations produced Human intelligence in animals. No Evol refutes them because God has caught ALL of them in His Snare, which He set with the Flood. The Trap they are caught in is that they have been Falsely teaching Evolution for more than 50 years, that Humans evolved from animals, BECAUSE they have Rejected God's Truth of the Flood. Soon, they must DEFEND this Satanic Lie and the only defense they have is to be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Here is God's Truth, which tells of this debate, with the Scoffers in the last days.

    2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

    Here is the origin of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, as commanded by God some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time. Science AGREES that our cells cannot survive without liquid water and that’s why we seek liquid water on other planets to see if they have the possibility of life or not. We find the bones of prehistoric people all the way back to the time when they diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago.

    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k +/- years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Gen 6:1-4.

    Prehistoric people were just like today's Humans and they moved and had their origin in water EXACTLY as Scripture and Science tell us. Science calls this appearance of life from water a "Natural" happening, but God shows that it was all a part of His Creation.

    What the posting shows is that this False Teaching of the ToE is NOT true, and supposes things which have No data to support their False Assumptions. That's because Humans are the descendants of Adam.... and Adam's superior intelligence MUST be inherited sexually and CANNOT happen by chance mutation and long periods of time as Evolutionism falsely preaches.

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    God also tells us HOW and WHEN the prehistoric people on our Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, is called the sons of God. Gen 1:21

    The sons of God married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have brought forth from the water, as God told us in Gen 1:21. Today's Science confirms that EVERY livng creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

    No ancient man could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

    Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

    The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 11k +/- years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.

    SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric men) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

    Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... Map of The Fertile Cresent (9000-4500 BCE)

    In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to be totally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also inherited the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

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    What is an ERV ? Forgive me if you already mentioned it. Oh and Evios...I, for some reason read this thread from the last post first..just saw it.

    My gosh, you've done a lot of research !!
     
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    Can you tell us more on this? Traced?'
    I'm out of the historical and scientific loop ! Thanks.
     
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    First thanks for the reply,
    yes, the flat earth is not definitely "not" my view either.
    I can't buy that people was here before Adam, not pre-adamic race for me.
    I agree on the Globe.
    Hallow Earth? hmmmmmmmmm............ ok, where's the opening?.
    ok, I'll stop here.

    Peace in Christ Yeshua.
     
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    4Pillars said:
    [Job 38:4-7 KJV] 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (prehistoric people of the 1st world) shouted for joy?

    Adam lived for some 10 Billion years as Jesus meet BEFORE any other creature including the sons of God (prehistoric people) created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

    The only people on this Planet Earth when Noah arrived were the sons of God (prehistoric people). These people had been created and brought forth from the water, on this Planet, exactly as the sons of God were on Adam's world. Genesis 1:21

    Prehistoric People who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is what Science calls them on this present planet. God calls them the sons of God Gen 6:2 because, like Christians, they are innocent in His eyes. We know this because God calls born again Christians the sons of God in the New Testament AFTER they are born Spiritually.

    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Unfortunately, many Religionists around the internet, even to this date, believe that the “sons of God” (prehistoric people) cited in Gen 6:4; Job 38:4-7 were “Fallen Angels” based on their wild imaginations and speculation... not supported by the Scripture.

    The continuing context of the texts below should be suffice enough to debunk this false assumption of many Religionists around.

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. v3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    Just like the sons of God (prehistoric people) made of flesh.... Man is also made of flesh as cited in the Scripture above.

    Angels are ministering Spirits and NOT flesh. Heb 1:14


    God bless
     
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    @4Pillars

    U said, "Adam lived for some 10 Billion years as Jesus meet BEFORE any other creature including the sons of God (prehistoric people) created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time".

    as for how long Adam lived alone, no one knows, but God. the rest of this statement, I reject because of lack of evidence from the bible.


    Again U said, "Adam lived for some 10 Billion years as Jesus meet BEFORE any other creature including the sons of God (prehistoric people) created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 which was some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time".

    Again, rejected, because Eve was formed after the fifth day. and they, (Adam and Eve) was the first humans of any kind, according to the bible. again rejected.


    then you said, "Prehistoric People who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is what Science calls them on this present planet. God calls them the sons of God Gen 6:2 because, like Christians, they are innocent in His eyes. We know this because God calls born again Christians the sons of God in the New Testament AFTER they are born Spiritually".

    again rejected. #1. man nor any human man (male or Female) didn't come from any ape. #2. the Sons of God in Genesis 6:2 came from the Children/offspring that Adam and Eve had in the Garden before the fall into sin. so again you're rejected for lack of biblical evidence.


    again U said, "Unfortunately, many Religionists around the internet, even to this date, believe that the “sons of God” (prehistoric people) cited in Gen 6:4; Job 38:4-7 were “Fallen Angels” based on their wild imaginations and speculation... not supported by the Scripture. "

    at least you got some of it right. because Gen 6:4 nor Job 38:4-7 were Fallen Angels. and the Sons of God at Gen 6 are not "prehistoric people". these are the none sinful children of Adam and Eve that they had in the Garden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden. hence your error of Rom 8:14 as you posted. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God". so again 2/3 rejected.


    I suggest you study more, before you be ashamed again. scripture, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".


    Peace in Christ Yeshua.
     
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    False assumption. The shame is on you… projecting your own Biblical ignorance on us which is only surpassed by your continued arrogance.

    Here' how you reconcile the issues brought forth in question:

    The beginning of our 2nd Cosmos/heaven was on the 3rd Day, some 13.77B years ago in man’s time. Gen 2:4.Since Adam was FORMED the SAME 3rd Day becoming a natural living soul..... Adam was made the SAME 3rd Day as the beginning of our world and lived until some 12-15k years ago, this means that Adam lived for Billions of years as Jesus meet BEFORE any other living creature.

    Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

    As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

    5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

    Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

    Also notice that man wasn't "Created" but was Formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. Adam wasn't even Created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment....

    IOW, Adam was Formed physically on the 3rd Day and was Created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally, after both A&E already have committed their original sin ; … AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord according to the Scripture - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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    you have one truth, man was formed on day 3 this in nothing new to me.
    this the bible don't confirm. so that is rejected.
    ERROR, DRY LAND appeared on day 3 the term EARTH consist of "WATER" as well as "DRY LAND".
    always remember verse 1, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".
    a water planet is the "EARTH".
    and the rest of your post is nothing new to me, This is already known of the third day event.
    so, do you have anything different, or new that we don't know about?. if not, here is something to chew on. Adam the first man, and Eve the first woman had Children inside the Garden, before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden.

    peace in Christ Yeshua.
     
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    Stop it stop it stop it! If you want to read the bible, that's nice, but stop rewording it. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning ..." No six days, it was in the beginning. There was no more creating until verse 21.

    Verse 2 says the Earth was tohu va bohu. Isaiah 45:18 says it was not created tohu. It became that way. FWIW scientists refer to that period as "Younger Dryas". There was sunlight before that.

    You don't have to make up things. They are all recorded someplace. Until you find those records, you don't know. Say so and skip the arguments.
     
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