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Genesis - The True Story of the Beginning....

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  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    Not saying that you're right or wrong. but consider this. would not time occur only by measurement of distance in space by at least two or more observably objects. let me make my point. if one have space and only one object in this space would time be considered? I don't think so, we could not measure it. but if one had two objects in space then time occur or is measurable. what do I mean. if we had two observably objects we could say they are getting closer, or moving further apart, that's the measurement which confirm time by light. the motion of two or more objects gives us the means to measure and or confirm time. one object would not. so time, IMO to occur with at least two or more observably objects, that must be in motion.

    that's my take.
     
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    The Son of God physically existed BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth into our physical world in the beginning... when God spoke the first “Word” and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3 YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness.

    In the Garden of Gethsemane, just before His Crucifixion, Jesus prays to the Father:

    And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was. John 17:5

    Glory is Brightness, a Physical trait. Jesus is speaking of His Physical Brightness which He shared with the Father, Before the world was. Before the world was can only be the 1st Day, since the first World was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8

    Jesus is the Physical Image of the Invisible Spirit of God.

    Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:15

    He came forth into the Physical World, from the Father, on the 1st Day. Jesus is the Light of the 1st Day, the Light of the first 3 Days, since the Sun was not made until the 4th Day.

    Read again:
    Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

    Notice the two negative statements in red color that resulted to a positive statement... He is the only God physically FORMED for us to see and witness.

    To be witness is to be seen physically. YHWH, the Son, has been documented in the Scripture appearing physically on several occasions to be seen and witness by his chosen people in the Old Testament. Scriptural proof text is readily, if you wish.

    His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love.... without physical shape or form… and changes Not.

    Jesus is also the Light of Heaven:

    And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Rev 21:23

    Jesus is the beginning and the end. Jesus is LORD.

    God bless
     
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    I must disagree, because there are two worlds, this physical world we live in and the spirit world. so how can the Son of God exist physically before the physical world exist. because the Son of God is "flesh". scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". flesh was born. the Son of man is spirit, and from above, scripture, Matthew 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". only God saves.
     
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    Then, tell us... Who do you think the Lord God... who appeared physically to be seen and witness .. unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob in the Old Testament - representing the name of God Almighty?

    Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

    Remember: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form.... and changes not.

    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Jhn 1:18

    God bless
     
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    you must have misread my post. appearing to unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob in the Old Testament is not the same as before the world existed. read my post again.

    and two,an appearance is not the same as a manifestation of a person.
     
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    with out getting to far into it, and I'm only familiar with what I have seen others debate on this issue.

    I used to think that time was a point like in geometry as in point line plain and cube. but biblically its when what started returns to where it started from, a cycle. example evening and morning was the so and so day. or God commands something and the its done and then He sees that its good. the earth spins to its it position in relationship to the sun, sunset to sunset is a Jewish day for example. year to year so on, and so forth.


    now the secular views of time are last I heard are linear in nature, but you are correct on time is measured by man by movement of objects. even electronically its a measure of the movement of electrons, through a measured space. but again biblically time is a cycle and that is why eternity is a askew view secularly. God inhabits eternity:


    Isa_57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    and I honestly think that eternity and time are two different things. could be the simple concept of change and don't change. The Lord God makes it clear more than once in the bible that He is the same yesterday today and forever, whereas all else He has made that is physical, changes. everything moves and changes relationship with each other, from atoms to planets to solar systems to galaxies so on and so forth. what don't change that God did make was the nature of a thing. like animal nature or human nature. so the spirit of a thing, or nature of, doesn't change, and God said He is the Father of all spirits, (I don't remember where though). so not all spirits have God's likeness or image, but they don't change as God doesn't change and He is a Spirit, as Jesus tells us.
     
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    Does size matter?
     
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    Jesus was before all things as the following confirms. If you want more Scriptural references just ask. These verses are speaking of Jesus:

    Col 1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

    Is your idea of Him different than this? Unless Jesus is FIRST in your view, it doesn't fit the above description so your notions are refuted. Jesus IS the Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3 Amen?

    God bless
     
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    Why then title the tread "the true story of the beginning?" If you are just offering your own speculation, then why not call it "My take on Genesis?"
     
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    agreed
     
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    yes, but not in flesh. so give me the scriptural reference that Jesus was in flesh before the world.
    Is your idea of Him different than this? yes, Spirit, not in flesh yet. I believe the Lord Jesus is the FIRST and the LAST of all things. I believe in three dispensation of God. which are "I AM", "THAT" "I AM" or as revelation says it, "which is", "which was", "which is to come".

    his First dispensation, (Spirit)" I AM". his second dispensation, (spirit, shared in flesh), "THAT", his third dispensation, (Spirit/spirit in Glorified Flesh), "I AM".

    This is how I see Him
     
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    Jesus was before all things as the following confirms. If you want more Scriptural references just ask. These verses are speaking of Jesus:

    Col 1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
    Sorry, but your argument is only based on your own made up premises and is fallacious.

    Where do you find anywhere in my post that I made an assertion that YHWH / Jesus - the Son of the invisible God - was brought forth as a "FLESH" according to your made up story - during the Beginning of Genesis or during the Old Testament?

    Is your idea of Him different than this? Unless Jesus is FIRST in your view, it doesn't fit the above description so your notions are refuted. Jesus IS the Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3 Amen?

    Oh well, you can believe whatever you want so long as you don't distort/assume my position or posts for that matter.

    Here... for your additional reference of where I stand:

    Being brought forth (begotten) the first time into our physical world in the BEGINNING of Genesis, YHWH, the Son of the invisible God, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. In fact, He appeared physically - in many physical forms or another - and has been seen and witness on several occasions by his chosen people in the Old Testament.

    He was Again Sent into our World and Made Flesh in the New Testament to saved us from our sins and became known as Jesus Christ.

    Heb 1
    v4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
    v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten Thee?
    And Again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
    v6
    And Again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

    Why do we suppose the words "AND AGAIN" repeated 2x in the contexts of the text? Let's continue reading below....

    v10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

    I see.... YHWH was brought forth into our physical world - the 1st time - in the beginning and MADE the Worlds with his own hands for our inhabitation, thereof... because, without him, there was not anything made that was made.

    v9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    YHWH, the Son, became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament, the God of the whole world shall he’ll be called.

    Note: No man hath seen the invisible Almighty God Father at any time - who is a Spirit without physical shape or form - nor his Name (the invisible God Father) has been revealed to anyone at this time.

    God bless
     
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    you just made a bo-bo there. the Son was never "FORMED". supportive scripture, Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". now if you say the Son was physically formed then you ERROR. now let's get is right. the Son is not flesh, but dwells in flesh. get that. the flesh was made or generate in the body of the woman, and that flesh took on the identity of the spirit that was in it.

    second, the Son is God in Genesis 1:1 for the Son is the "POWER" (Spirit). STOP God is (A) Spirit. must we go on. I guess so. and the Son is the Wisdom which was brought forth, meaning revealing his work. 2 supportive scripture. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". meaning he is the only God. Romans 1:19 & 20 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse". there is no excuse in not knowing. and here is the revelation. God who is Spirit by his wisdom shine LIGHT, which is representative of KNOWLEDGE, and UNDERSTANDING of his creation. just read Romans 1:19 & 20 again. no one else was there with Jesus in the beginning, scripture, Isaiah 45:18 "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else". one more, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself". alone and by myself is no one else was there. ONLY the HOLY SPIRIT who is the Title holder "Father" without flesh, and title holder "Son" shared in flesh.

    if you can't get it just ask in faith..... (smile)
     
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    Huh??? Come man get real… Your preconceived notion is out of context to the cited text above which include - reminding his chosen people that they are his witnesses ... " Ye are my witnesses" .... Please read it again and pray for correct understanding. :)

    I guess you are not aware that combining two negative statements would result to becoming a positive statement, are you?

    Before him, there was no God Form... neither there shall be after him = He was formed.... He became the only God physically FORMED for us to see and witness... based on His own proclamation (Isa 43:10).... and later Made Flesh in the New Testament... as I have posted in my immediate previous post above.

    Therefore, YHWH or Jesus, the Son, is the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. His is the express image of his Almighty God Father, physically - who is an invisible Spirit without any physical shape or form... that changes not.

    Now tell us.... How could the Lord YHWH make a claim in the Old Testament that he had witnesses (ref. Isa 43:10) … if He had not been seen or witness by his chosen people in some sort of PHYSICAL FORM or another?

    The Son being brought forth into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father in the Beginning of Genesis - does NOT necessarily equates to the Son being made FLESH at that time… which is based only on your imagination.

    Example:

    The Son was the physical TRUE LIGHT of heaven during the beginning (Alpha) of Genesis ref Gen 1:1-3 as he would also be the Light thereof in heaven in the end (Omega) ref. Rev 21

    God bless
     
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    I have not read Genesis in its entirety until I came across this thread.
    I have found it a reveling experience and urge others to read it too

    Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)
    The Beginning

    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

    3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

    6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

    9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

    11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

    24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

    26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

    27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.


    28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

    29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

    31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

    2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

    Adam and Eve

    4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

    5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[b] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[c] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[d] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[e] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[f] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

    15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

    18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

    19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

    But for Adam[g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[h] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

    23 The man said,

    “This is now bone of my bones
    and flesh of my flesh;
    she shall be called ‘woman,’
    for she was taken out of man.”


    24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.\

    DESIDERATA –
    You Are A Child Of The Universe - original version
     
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    Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

    What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future.

    IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

    Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    God bless
     
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    ERROR on your part. the Light in Genesis 1:3 is used metaphorically of understanding. for the word of WISDOM (JESUS) gives UNDERSTANDING. Light is knowledge, and darkness is Ignorance. Light/Knowledge shine in our hearts for understanding. supportive scripture, John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not". comprehended mean to apprehend. and to apprehend is to understand or perceive". perceive means to become aware or conscious of (something); come to realize or understand".

    Look, when God said "let there be Light", he is saying I want you to know and understand what I'm doing. have you ever hear this saying, "I was kept in the dark about that?". was they in a room with Light? no, they are saying they didn't know. KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING "shine" L-I-G-H-T on a subject. and the subject here is creation. well wisdom was brought fort to give us this KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of God's creation. scripture, Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse". God by his own WISDOM made these things known. no physical Son, the Spirit is the Son shared in flesh.
    4Pillars, my God, did you not read Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". did they KNOW the LORD, no. if they did they would have "BELIEVED", but they didn't. did they UNDERSTAND that I AM is "he", no. why because he had not come in flesh yet. supportive scripture, watch the "I AM HE". John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". there he is in the NEW TESTAMENT. "if ye "BELIEVE" not that I AM HE. I suggest you read Isaiah 43:10 and John 8:24 and examine then close.
    U said, "Therefore, YHWH or Jesus, the Son, is the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness" then you said, "His is the express image of his Almighty God Father, physically".
    another bo-bo. is not the Lord Jesus the Almighty? yes, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty". is this the Lord Jesus? yes. now do you agree? if not you have two almighty and two Gods which is polytheism.

    4Pillars, listen closely, in Revelation Revelation 1:8 is this the Lord JESUS, the Almighty YES or NO. I'll be waiting for your answer.
     
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    Once again, you are way out of context to the continuing discussion… Your convoluted view of the beginning of Creation (ref. above quote) has nothing to do with the actual physical Making of our heavens and earth in the beginning, which is the topic of this discussion, LITERALLY speaking. (shaking my head in disbelief).

    The Biblical fact is, when the invisible Almighty God Father Created the Heaven (Air) and the Earth (ground) in the beginning (Gen 1:1)… The Earth (Heb-ground) was without form (dust) because there was NO physical God to mold the heaven/air, earth/dust, and water into physical shape.

    This is one of the reasons the invisible Spirit of God said, Let there be Light and YHWH/Jesus, the only God ever formed or that ever will be formed, came into the physical world from within the invisible God, to mold the clay and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm BEFORE YHWH/Jesus, the Son, came into the physical world as the Light of the First Day. Because, in him was life and the life was the Light of men. Jhn 1:4

    Therefore, I find your rebuttal distorted and not worthy of anymore response regarding the same.

    God bless
     
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    all talk, no scripture, nor research to back up what you said. a mind is a terrible thing to wast. :eek:

    so good day to you.
     
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    Polytheism is a belief of more than one god or different gods. While my belief of Trinity is based on the Biblical Union of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as one (echad) God - collectively that is. I called it Mystical Union of God.

    Allow me to educate you further by expounding my position of the matter.

    A mystical union of God is one that God made, one of which Marriage becomes one flesh, based on the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven... it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in Mystical Union as One (echad) in Unity .

    One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife are called One (echad) Flesh by God. The use of the Hebrew word "echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

    Gen 2 (KJV)
    v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    And this mystical union of marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

    Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

    We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

    Another example:

    “There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Mystical Union). 1John 5:7

    Therefore, the Triune of God is One in Unity... not in Numeric Number..... A Mystical Union Of God, indeed.

    They are both describe in the Scripture as Almighty God. However, to answer your question, that is YHWH/Jesus, the Son of the invisible God.... of whom No man hath seen at anytime nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time. DEAL WITH IT.

    God bless
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2017
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