It is quite a different thing to say that when Christ says, if you persecute the church you persecute me, to saying I am the head of the church, my body.
GENTILES NOT IN THE BODY OF CHRIST
- Thread starter Doug
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
It is quite a different thing to say that when Christ says, if you persecute the church you persecute me, to saying I am the head of the church, my body.
BreadOfLife
Well-Known Member
- Jan 2, 2017
- 20,953
- 3,398
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
Uhhhh, HOW so??
- Jesus equates His Church with His very SELF (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus is the HEAD of His Church, which is His BODY - HIM (Col. 1:18).
- His Church is the FULLNESS of HIM (Eph. 1:22-23).
HOW is it "quite different" to compare His very self with His very Body??
You've got some splainin' to do . . .
Even if Jesus was saying he is the church it does not mean he was speaking of the body of Christ which was not the church being persecuted. The church of God Paul persecuted was the believing Jew and Gentiles who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve apostles, They believed the gospel of the kingdom and only believed on the name of Jesus.
BreadOfLife
Well-Known Member
- Jan 2, 2017
- 20,953
- 3,398
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
You are completely out of your mind and have been repeatedly proven wrong by myself and others.
Once AGAIN . . .
Here is one of MANY death blows to your Scripturally-bankrupt argument that the Church and the Body of Christ are two separate entities:
Acts 8:1-3
And there arose on that day a great persecution against the CHURCH in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. Devout men buried Stephen and made great lamentation over him. But SAUL WAS RAVAGING THE CHURCH, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.
Below - Paul refers to this SAME “Church” as the “Body of Christ”.
1 Cor. 12:27-28
Now you are the BODY OF CHRIST, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in THE CHURCH first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Saul (Paul) was persecuting the Body of Christ - the Church.
You LOSE . . .
It is not the same church just because they both say church.
The church in Acts 8 is the remnant of Israel, the church of God that believed on the name of Jesus by the preaching of Jesus and the twelve.
The church in 1 Corinthians is the church of God, the body of Christ, formed only after Acts 9 and the revelations of Jesus to Paul that he was forming the body of Christ in this dispensation.
BreadOfLife
Well-Known Member
- Jan 2, 2017
- 20,953
- 3,398
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
WRONG again.
Jesus built ONE Church (Matt. 16:18).
He gave complete AUTHORITY to that ONE Church - that WHATEVER it bound or loosed on earth would also be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).
On the night before His crucifixion, He fervently prayed for the unity of that ONE Church (John 17) - that it would remain ONE, as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).
You are OUT of your league here, son - because you reject the Word of Almighty God . . .
Jesus gave the authority to remit sins to the twelve in John 20:23 Peter in Matthew 16:18-19 the disciples in Matthew 18:18
This is never said to be the case in this dispensation and the body of Christ
BreadOfLife
Well-Known Member
- Jan 2, 2017
- 20,953
- 3,398
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
WRONG again . . .
In Acts 1, we see the Apostles gather to elect not a replacement for Judas - but a SUCCESSOR.
Acts 1:20 says:
"Let another take his office".
The Greek word used here for "office" is "Episkopay", which means BISHOPRIC. This shows definitively that the office of Bishop is a successive office. Every power and ALL Authority that Jesus bestowed upon the Twelve was passed on successively from Bishop to Bishop by the laying on of hands.
I do go a lot by 1 Cor. 10.30: there are the three groups, Jews, Gentiles and the church of God.
OzSpen
Well-Known Member
- Mar 30, 2015
- 3,728
- 795
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- Australia
So, what were believers part of before Paul's teaching? The holy Catholic church? The Ekklesia????
Before Paul the believers, the remnant of Israel, are in Christ.
They are in the church of God. The gospel was not fully manifested until Paul. They believed only on the name of Christ for eternal life (John 20:31). They then had to believe the gospel of the kingdom, keep his commandments, confess his name, forgive others, be baptized, keep the law, bear fruit, endure to the end to enter the kingdom on earth and be given positions of authority to reign with Christ. Those who did not were cast out of the kingdom.
OzSpen
Well-Known Member
- Mar 30, 2015
- 3,728
- 795
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- Australia
That is works-centred, Judaism-favoured, idiosyncratic theology. It's your opinion.
OzSpen
Well-Known Member
- Mar 30, 2015
- 3,728
- 795
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- Australia
So is entering the kingdom on earth different from entering the kingdom of God/heaven?
The kingdom I live in on earth is the Commonwealth of Australia.
The kingdom of God is heaven and earth. The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom from heaven coming down to the earth, Christ will reign from Jerusalem for the thousand years. The kingdom of heaven will be entered by the believing remnant of Israel.
OzSpen
Well-Known Member
- Mar 30, 2015
- 3,728
- 795
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- Australia
Doug, can you support this claim from scripture? Many have tried, but none have succeeded.
The kingdom of God is heaven and earth. 1 Chronicles 29:11 Matthew 6:10
The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom from heaven coming down to the earth, Christ will reign from Jerusalem for the thousand years. Revelation 21 and Revelation 22 Revelation 20:4
The kingdom of heaven will be entered by the believing remnant of Israel. Luke 22:29-30 Revelation 5:10 Daniel 7:18 Luke 12:31-32
Similar threads
