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God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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  1. JunChosen

    JunChosen Active Member

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    We read in Acts 13:42, 44
    42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    Please note that the Jews gathered together on the seventh day of the week [Saturday] and also note the term "next" in Strong's Concordance means "between" therefore, in this case, "next/between sabbaths" would mean the day after Saturday will have to mean Sunday the first day of the week.

    Now the most significant and profound Scripture reference concerning the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath worship [which BTW, can't be seen in the English translation] is Matthew 28:1 that reads:
    "In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

    Please note that the printer is warning the English reader that words in italicize in the KJV Bible, are not in the original manuscripts. Also note that the word "week" is the plural Hebrew word "sabaton" that can be proven.

    Hence, Matthew 28:1 can be rendered thus:
    "In the end of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths came Mary..."

    Now Matthew 28:1 seems to be in harmony and that God teaches us that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the First Day Sabbath which to us is Sunday.

    To God Be The Glory


     
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    • Mark 3:4 (KJV)
      And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace..

    It is only lawful to do good any day there for we should treat everyday as the sabbath, I don't get caught up on when the official sabbath is as we have different time zones all round the world. I just try to focus on doing good everyday and I attend church Saturday and Sunday.

    Roman 14:5One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
     
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    This argument is a textbook case of why Paul warned Timothy to be on the lookout against people who deceitfully handle the Bible. Literally none of those passages say God changed the rest day from Saturday to Sunday.
    This is human reasoning speaking, and not the Bible. God only consecrated 1 day out of the entire week to be treated holy, not all 7. Man doesn't possess any authority to decide which day is going to be holy. You should also note that Christ was specifically speaking about what was lawful to do on a Sabbath. What He didn't say was that everyday could be treated as a Sabbath. According to what God says, there is nothing inherently sacred about the other 6 days.
     
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    is it lawful to kill, steal, lie and be greedy etc Monday to Saturday/Sunday to Friday or is it lawful to do only good everyday?

    Roman 14:5-6 5One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

    Its a choice of each person, to myself consider everyday special/sacred and I try live it for the Lord and to another they decide to only treat the sabbath as holy unto the Lord and go about their life.
     
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    Gal 5:18 But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

    It couldn't be plainer, and yet many stumble.
     
  6. Curtis

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    Correct. The Bible doesn’t say the ceremonial day of rest was switched to Sunday: the new covenant has no days commanded to be kept, at all.

    Old covenant was physical, new covenant is spiritual.

    Circumcision in the Old was physical, of the flesh - circumcision in the New is spiritual, of the heart.

    The rest in the Old was physical, on the 7th day - our rest today is spiritual - Jesus gives us rest 24/7
    Matthew 11:28-29

    The sabbath days - all of them, weekly or otherwise - were but a foreshadow of Jesus, who is the substance (our real rest i e, sabbath).

    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days:

    Col 2:17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the BODY is of Christ.


    The word sabbath above, is H4521 in Strongs:


    G4521 (Strong)

    σάββατον

    sabbaton

    sab'-bat-on

    Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath(that is, Shabbath), or day of WEEKLY repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - SABBATH (DAY), week.

    Total KJV occurrences: 68


    Colossians 2:16-17 states to let no one judge you for not keeping the sabbath day, because it’s a shadow of Jesus, (who’s the real rest for us Matthew 11:28-29 - every day we rest in Him, and no longer on a ceremonial day).

    This passage cuts to the chase about not having to keep the 7th day sabbath:


    Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

    Gal 4:10 Ye observe DAYS and months, and times, and years.

    Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.


    Sabbaths, new moons, and set feasts” answer to “days, months, times.” 1Chronicles 23:31


    1 Chronicles 23:31 (KJV)

    31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the SABBATHS, in the NEW MOONS, and on the SET FEASTS, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:


    The word sabbaths is word H7676 in Hebrew:


    H7676 (Strong)

    שַׁבָּת

    shabbâth

    shab-bawth'

    Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

    Total KJV occurrences: 111


    Thus Galatians 4:9-11 is talking about sabbaths that includes the weekly sabbaths.
     
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    "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

    This is quite plain as well.
     
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    Yes, especially the "through faith" part.
     
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    So is the fact that Paul said that law was not meant for the righteous but for ungodly sinners and murderers, and that Christians are no longer under that law, but have died to it, for before faith came, we were imprisoned by the law, until Jesus and faith came along.

    So if you want to quote the NT, quote all it says about the law, like how Christians are dead to the law, and now are married to Jesus instead of the law, and have been DELIVERED FROM the law:


    Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not inthe oldness of the letter.


    Or quote that the law doesn’t apply to Christians, just to the unconverted, because the law is NOT MEANT for a RIGHTEOUS MAN, but for the UNGODLY and for MURDERERS:


    1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderersof fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


    1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


    Christians are the righteousness of God in Christ, thus the law, which is not meant for a righteous man, but for the ungodly is null and void for us.


    Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


    And this agrees:


    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


    Thus it hasn’t passed away, it just doesn’t apply to those born again, since it’s only meant for the ungodly and murderers, etc. 1 Tim 1:9 above.


    And don’t forget it says that BEFORE faith came, we were imprisoned by the law, locked up by it until the coming of Christ, and now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian:


    Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law,imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.


    Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.



    Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,

     
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    I'm sorry but none who posted in this thread have any inkling at all what Matthew 28:1 is all about.

    Yes you posted Scripture but the passages offered did not refute Matthew 28, which is the main theme of this OP. In fact @Curtis strengthened my case that the word "week" is the Hebrew plural word "Sabbaton." If anyone wants to refute Matthew 28 that it does not say what the verse proclaim then do it by Scripture!

    I have other Scripture references but we must first get over this hurdle. All you folks are doing is giving your opinions and/or have offered passages which do NOT pertain to Matthew 28. Yes I understand this is the nature of Forums.

    Let's reason together. I've given you my reasons now I ask for yours.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    The record speaks for itself, so any argument is redundant.

    28 Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
     
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    In all these discussions re the Sabbath there is a common thread. That common thread isn't what many would suppose, that all are in agreement as to why the Sabbath is now discarded by the majority of professing Christians. No, every man and his pet dragon has a different reason.
    The common thread that permeates these threads is a hatred for the Sabbath. If anyone spoke against adultery or murder or theft, there'd be no argument. But obeying God's Commandment and authority regarding the Sabbath... Nothing but disdain and hatred.
     
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    Hi @Backlit.... I absolutely agree that God said to REST .... and I agree that HE called it the Sabbath Day.... what I don't agree with is the INSISTENCE that it is one day over another.... If someone works strange hours and days.... and their REST day is a Wednesday.... I believe God would accept this as their SABBATH day.... I don't see the big deal of fighting about Saturday or Sunday.... Anyways... I'm taking a break from the forums... am tired and family things happening... Be blessed.
     
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    In Genesis he God blessed one specific day, sanctifying it and making it holy. It is the same 7th day today as it was 6000 years ago. That day is still holy, still sanctified, and still blessed for sacred use. No other day is. Regardless our work requirements. We can change our work. We can't change God's creation... Which incorporated all seven days.
     
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    God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

    No, He didn't.
    KJV Daniel 7:25
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
    and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    You are doing the work of the Antichrist. Seeking or thinking to change God's law.

     
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    Paul wasn't too keen on circumcision either.

    Gal 6:14-15 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. (15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
     
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    The command to keep the sabbath, was to rest on the 7th day. If the ten commands which were part of the ended covenant given to Moses was still in effect - it’s not - then we’d have to still observe the 7th day of rest.
     
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    If you are looking for an explicit statement which says that the first day of the week is now the Sabbath, you will not find it, and that won't nullify what God actually did through the resurrection of Christ on the first day of the week.

    So one must ask why John speaks about "the Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 (NOT "the day of the Lord" which is a period of wrath and judgment). He was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" which again begs the question "Why?" There have been some who have tried to say that John was calling the Sabbath "the Lord's Day". But since there is no precedence for this, it has no validity. In fact that is absurd.

    The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, and it was first established by Christ when He returned to visit His apostles exactly eight days after His resurrection (so that Thomas would believe and call Him "my Lord and my God" and worship Him). Jesus could easily have come to visit them the next day, or any day during that week, but here is what the Bible says:

    The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (Jn 20:25-28).

    This needs spiritual discernment. Not an explicit statement, since God often does not give explicit statements. But "the first day of the week" became the day of Christian worship not only in the New Testament, but historically as we see from the testimony of Justin Martyr in his Apology.

    Thus it is "the Lord's day" and those who wish to worship both God and Christ will observe it as "the Christian Sabbath". Paul also waited in Troas to meet with the church for the breaking of bread (the Lord's Supper) on the first day of the week. Why? Because it is "the Lord's Day".

    However, because the SDA church has a special animosity to the church of Rome, and believes that (1) the papacy is the Antichrist and (2) those who worship on the Lord's Day have taken the Mark of the Beast, they are loathe to recognized what is actually in Scripture. But all Christians from the first to the fourth century had already accepted the first day of the week over the last day of the week. The principles of Sabbath-keeping were carried over. So if Augustine made this the official day of Christian worship, he was doing what was already established. And ever since no Christians have had any issues until Ellen G. White showed up.

    She quoted a Scripture which applied to Israel to support her opposition to Sunday laws in America:
    '"Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep," the Lord says, "for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you" (Ex. 31:13). Some will seek to place obstacles in the way of Sabbath observance, saying, "You do not know what day is the Sabbath," but they seem to understand when Sunday comes, and have manifested great zeal in making laws compelling its observance.--KC 148 (1900).'

    At the same time, since God has given Christians liberty to honor whichever day they wish to honor, there should be no issues between Christians and Sabbatarians. But there are.
     
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    There are three errors, at least, with your statements in regards Acts 13:42,44.

    [1] the word for Sabbath in both vss (42,44) are singular, not plural:

    Acts 13:42 - σαββατονG4521 N-ASN (Noun - Accusative Singular Neuter)
    Acts 13:44 - σαββατωG4521 N-DSN (Noun - Dative Singular Neuter)
    [2] the words for 'first [day] of the week', in koine Greek or English appear no where in the texts Acts 13:42-44.

    [3] the koine Greek word for "next" in Acts 13:42 is "μεταξυG3342 ADV" (metaxu; G3342), and means "adjoining", or 'the one, or that, which comes after' with an idea of time between (like 6 days in this instance). In other words, "the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them on the following sabbath (or the sabbath which would come next)." This is repeated in Acts 13:44 with a another word, which means the same thing. In Acts 13:44 the koine Greek word for "next" is "ερχομενωG2064 V-PNP-DSN" (erchomeno; G2064), and means "next", or 'that which comes after in order', and it does not ever mean 'between'. In other words, "And the sabbath following [the previous sabbath (vs 42)] ..."

    Paul does not say the "day" "following" (or the next day, as passing from the 7th to the first day of the week). He specifically says the next sabbath (vs 44), which would be the next 7th day of the week after the one in discussion in vs 42.​

    Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
    Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    Act 13:42 εξιοντων δε εκ της συναγωγης των ιουδαιων παρεκαλουν τα εθνη εις το μεταξυ σαββατον λαληθηναι αυτοις τα ρηματα ταυτα
    Act 13:43 λυθεισης δε της συναγωγης ηκολουθησαν πολλοι των ιουδαιων και των σεβομενων προσηλυτων τω παυλω και τω βαρναβα οιτινες προσλαλουντες αυτοις επειθον αυτους επιμενειν τη χαριτι του θεου
    Act 13:44 τω δε ερχομενω σαββατω σχεδον πασα η πολις συνηχθη ακουσαι τον λογον του θεου

    Act 13:42 εξιοντωνG1826 V-2AAP-GPM δεG1161 CONJ εκG1537 PREP τηςG3588 T-GSF συναγωγηςG4864 N-GSF τωνG3588 T-GPM ιουδαιωνG2453 A-GPM παρεκαλουνG3870 V-IAI-3P ταG3588 T-NPN εθνηG1484 N-NPN ειςG1519 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN μεταξυG3342 ADV σαββατονG4521 N-ASN λαληθηναιG2980 V-APN αυτοιςG846 P-DPM ταG3588 T-APN ρηματαG4487 N-APN ταυταG3778 D-APN
    Act 13:43 λυθεισηςG3089 V-APP-GSF δεG1161 CONJ τηςG3588 T-GSF συναγωγηςG4864 N-GSF ηκολουθησανG190 V-AAI-3P πολλοιG4183 A-NPM τωνG3588 T-GPM ιουδαιωνG2453 A-GPM καιG2532 CONJ τωνG3588 T-GPM σεβομενωνG4576 V-PNP-GPM προσηλυτωνG4339 N-GPM τωG3588 T-DSM παυλωG3972 N-DSM καιG2532 CONJ τωG3588 T-DSM βαρναβαG921 N-DSM οιτινεςG3748 R-NPM προσλαλουντεςG4354 V-PAP-NPM αυτοιςG846 P-DPM επειθονG3982 V-IAI-3P αυτουςG846 P-APM επιμενεινG1961 V-PAN τηG3588 T-DSF χαριτιG5485 N-DSF τουG3588 T-GSM θεουG2316 N-GSM
    Act 13:44 τωG3588 T-DSN δεG1161 CONJ ερχομενωG2064 V-PNP-DSN σαββατωG4521 N-DSN σχεδονG4975 ADV πασαG3956 A-NSF ηG3588 T-NSF πολιςG4172 N-NSF συνηχθηG4863 V-API-3S ακουσαιG191 V-AAN τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM θεουG2316 N-GSM

    All you did, was attempt a private translation of the koine Greek using a lexicon or concordance and just swapped the word next for 'between', and ignored the text itself in context.

    Acts 13 also has nothing to do with Matthew 28, which you also butchered in commentary. I will deal with this separately.
     
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