God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Ziggy]

Do you believe that God had the Bible written in such a way that only scholars and academics could understand them?
When the Lord told Moses to read the law to all the people of Israel, old, young, men, women,
and told him to make sure they understand it...
what kind of academic education you think these people had?
They lived it. They didn't learn it from a book.
And I'm of the mind that in order for us to truly understand it, we have to live it also.
Only instead of living under the Old covenant, we now live under the New covenant.
Which is the same covenant only made better.

I got my GED when I was like 22. I had to drop out of school to become a mom in the 8th grade.
I played hooky all through the 7th grade, and during the 6th grade forced bussing had begun.
So we had more social issues going on than acedemics beginning in the 6th grade for me.
We weren't taught much of anything except to try and get along.

So, anywhoo
When I was somewhere between 24-25 I don't remember. I applied to go to the community college that was in my area. I lived in New Hampshire at the time. It was a Liberal College. I didn't even know what the word liberal meant at the time.
I took some classes in business management. At the time I was 1 of 8 partners in a printing company we had newly formed. The original owner had filed bankruptcy and the employees decided to buy up the building and equipment, so we could keep working.
It lasted about 10 years before people got too greedy and took the money and ran.
Anyways...
I learned a lot of "book knowledge" in those courses I took and tried to apply them to real life situations at work.
You can't replace street smarts with book knowledge. You have to do, you can't just read about doing.

So when we read the law, we have to understand that these people lived the law.
They didn't have time to sit down and dissect every word. They had to memorize it and perform what they had memorized.
They didn't have books just lying around on tables or an internet to look up what different words meant.

WE ARE SO SPOILED..

LOL
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

So the first day of weeks would begin the day Jesus rose from the dead, until the disciples are filled with the Spirit on Pentacost?
So the first day of the first week, isn't named a name, it's a marker, a place holder, that starts the next count of days?
The first day of that week could of been Tuesday for all we know, if we put names to days it can get confusing.

The first day counted to Pentecost was the sixteenth day of the First Month which could be on any weeksday. The first day of the week could NEVER <<of been Tuesday>>. Schucks goodness grrrrr

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Do you believe that God had the Bible written in such a way that only scholars and academics could understand them?

For people now-a-days, yes. Scholars and academics translate the Scriptures before laymen could understand them, or that is supposed to happen. Doesn't mean it happens though.

 

[Ziggy]

The first day counted to Pentecost was the sixteenth day of the First Month which could be on any weeksday. The first day of the week could NEVER <<of been Tuesday>>. Schucks goodness grrrrr

I suppose it could have been if those who gave names to the days called the sixteenth day Tuesday, right?
I mean who gets to choose names for days anyways?
God didn't put names on days that I'm aware of.. except one.
The Lord's Day.
And frankly, I believe we are living "In" it.
Whatever name someone chooses to call it.

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[GerhardEbersoehn]

You can't replace street smarts with book knowledge. You have to do, you can't just read about doing.

Good! Really good.

 

[Ziggy]

For people now-a-days, yes. Scholars and academics translate the Scriptures before laymen could understand them, or that is supposed to happen. Doesn't mean it happens though.

So your saying when Paul wrote all those letters to the churches, he wrote them in such a fashion that only a select few could translate to the general audience?
Or are you talking about the ones who translated the bible into different languages?
As I understand it, there were a lot of people who could speak more than one language.
Hebrew, Arabic, Greek...
I only know english.. and I still don't have the dictionary or the encyclopedia memorized.
So we have to rely on other people's interpretation of how the bible is translated.
I believe the same thing happens all throughout the OT too.
Who was the King who sat by the fire cutting up the scriptures trying to remove the parts he didn't like?
lol.. sounds familiar.

I suppose we have to have faith that God would not allow his word to be corrupted through any persons interpretation.
And maybe that's what Timothy means.. no private interpretation. It has to agree with what is already written, for reproof, for correction..
Anyone could rewrite the bible the way they wanted it to say.
We have to believe the bible was written the way God wanted it written. Period.

I have a simple mind.. I try to think more highly (academically) than I am capable of.
I don't have a scientific mind, I don't have a medical mind.
I'm just a 56 year old woman who grew up in the heart of Boston, living the street life, and scraping by on dimes and nickles.
My education got cut short but my life skills began early.
And so I write from what I have experienced in my life.
I try to learn new things everyday.
And I prefer to learn them from the Bible, than from what the world has to offer.
I do learn new things about the world we live in everyday.
I learn how governments work (or don't work) I learn a little legal speak and terms, hope I never need them,
but for the most part, I prefer being right here, learning with you guys.
I'm not what the world would consider "smart" .
I just do my best to keep up. And prophecy is my preference when it comes to watching the world go round.
I can see what street smart people see when it comes to what's happening on the ground.
Others can see prophecy whether through the stock market or the way governments are behaving.
I think everyone is seeing something happening on different levels all the time.

And instead of arguing whether this level or that level is right or wrong,
we should be putting the whole picture together from all aspects of what's occuring in the world, whether carnally or spiritually.
Because from what I see, it's going to get difficult to discern between truth and lies in the world's arena.
We have to keep our eyes looking up instead of down.
It's going to get really scary for people who have little or no faith.
We really need to pray.

just rambling..
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[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

And instead of arguing whether this level or that level is right or wrong,
we should be putting the whole picture together from all aspects of what's occuring in the world, whether carnally or spiritually.
Because from what I see, it's going to get difficult to discern between truth and lies in the world's arena.
We have to keep our eyes looking up instead of down.
It's going to get really scary for people who have little or no faith.
We really need to pray.

Don't you think that in order to do exactly that, we will need detailed accurate information?

We are not going to "pray" any of this away so we might be better off "praying" for the correct understanding of the word which entails dedicated actual study. ( it says "study and show thyself approved"- not gloss over and discuss)

Actual knowledge from scripture is a large part of the discernment process

 

[Ziggy]

Don't you think that in order to do exactly that, we will need detailed accurate information?

We are not going to "pray" any of this away so we might be better off "praying" for the correct understanding of the word which entails dedicated actual study. ( it says "study and show thyself approved"- not gloss over and discuss)

Actual knowledge from scripture is a large part of the discernment process

Where you going to find detailed accurate information???
Not through the tell-a-vision. Not from the government.
Who are you going to listen to and get truth from?
Only ones that have the truth are ones living in ground zero.
We definately are not going to pray this away. We need to pray for those who are living in the battle.
I'm on the fringe of it. I'm not being evicted, I don't have children to feed, I don't have family in the hospital wondering how to pay the bills.
I know these are worldly problems, but their real. And we as christians should be providing for each other what we are able.
And I don't mean by donating to these so-called churches that go out and buy themselves new houses and toys, and live a rich lifestyle.. just like the Pharisees and the Saducees. The world is full of them.

The bible is real life experience. You can study how other people lived their lives, and also go out and live it for yourself.
You can't just be a reader of the word, you have to be a liver of the word.
I hear .. be a doer of the word and not a hearer only..
and.. show me you faith without works and I'll show you mine by works..
I have to find it..
James..
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We should be praying for all those in Satan's path that he's looking to devour.
The widow's, the fatherless, the homeless, the list is long.
When I say Pray, I don't mean for yourself, I mean for those who are lost and don't understand what is happening in the world.
We know..
But they are clueless.
Pray for them to get a clue.
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[rstrats]

Ziggy,
re: "SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT DAY IT IS? We have NO CLUE. Maybe God will send manna again and teach us all over again exactly which day is the 1st and the 7th."

So to support your comment, what documentation are you using which shows that the seven day weekly cycle continuity has been interrupted at some point since the Messiah's time and today?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Where you going to find detailed accurate information???
Not through the tell-a-vision. Not from the government.
Who are you going to listen to and get truth from?
Only ones that have the truth are ones living in ground zero.

That's an excuse. Detailed accurate information comes from diligent study with proper materials. This is not expensive but just takes an affirmative decision then actual diligent work.

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy,
re: "SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT DAY IT IS? We have NO CLUE. Maybe God will send manna again and teach us all over again exactly which day is the 1st and the 7th."

So to support your comment, what documentation are you using which shows that the seven day weekly cycle continuity has been interrupted at some point since the Messiah's time and today?

That's an interesting question.
Outside of the fact that the calendar has been changed by different governments throughout history, whether Gregorian or Julian calendars, plus many before, during and after the Hebrew calendars..
Maybe there will come a time when NASA or some other scientific people will come out with how they changed the time continuum.
Went through a few worm holes. Traveled back in time or went forward.
I don't know if time travel is a real thing.
I only know I'm living right here right now.
If yesterday was changed I wouldn't know it. And if tomoorow was changed I wouldn't know it.

But the Lord made the sun stand still for a whole day and how many eyewitnesses around the world declared it?
Only those that witnessed it themselves, because they was looking for a sign.
Most the world goes on it's daily way never looking at the sky, they look at their phones lol.
I don't have a cell phone (thankfully)

The Hebrew Calendar is based on a Lunar month right?
We've been told that we keep moving off the axis of the earth by so many degrees.
How does this shifting, change time?

I don't know. I'm not a scientist.
Maybe that's why we are told we won't know the day or the hour, because it keeps changing.

All we have is right now, today.
Yesterday is gone and tomorrow may not come.
For a lot of people tomorrow never comes.
While it is yet TODAY...
Today is all that really matters.
What day is it?
Does anybody really know what time it is?

just thinking..
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[Ziggy]

That's an excuse. Detailed accurate information comes from diligent study with proper materials. This is not expensive but just takes an affirmative decision then actual diligent work.

That would be fine if everyone stop hiding the facts and twisting the facts and filling the airwaves with propaganda.
How does the average person get a hold of these "proper materials" anyways?
Through the military??
Like they not brainwashed too right?
You going to trust Science?
We see where that's headed..
The only thing anyone knows for sure is what they have actually experienced for themselves.
Not what you been shown on the boob tube, they can and have and do manipulate images and spew lies.
Some people are actually aware of the mockingbird media and how when and why it was developed by the government to control the people.
And most of it comes directly from the CIA.

So where do we get those "proper materials" from?
Who holds the truth that can be factually relied upon?
It's not here on earth..
if it is, it's buried in some catacomb somewhere away from the public.
Or it's in the Bible.
And that's the only sure word we have.
The only other and most reliable source is the Spirit the Lord has given us in order to be able to discern truth from lies.
If you don't have the Spirit of the Lord, you just get tossed to and fro..
And you have to learn to anchor yourself.
Stand firm.
It gets pretty rough sometimes holding on while the world is going through a white squall.
Faith is the only way.

Hugs
WWG1WGA

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Anyone could rewrite the bible the way they wanted it to say.

That's what you and everyone might think, yea.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

This thread detereorated into the absurd. buy

 

[rstrats]

Outside of the fact that the calendar has been changed by different governments throughout history, whether Gregorian or Julian calendars, plus many before, during and after the Hebrew calendars..

Ziggy,

OK, so you don't base your assertion on any actual evidence. Your position seems to be held due to the idea of calendar changes. I wonder if you might explain why you think that calendar changes have affected the continuity of the weekly cycle?

 

[rstrats]

Davy,

You still have 3 questions directed to you in post #1289.

 

[rstrats]

I don't remember the Lord saying that Saturday is the last day of the week.

What difference does it make what the seventh day of the week is called? The seventh day of the week is the seventh day of the week.

 

[MatthewG]

Jewish Sabbath Day ~ If you believe you have to keep this day you have the freedom to do so. Just do not force others or condemn others who do now.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

How does the average person get a hold of these "proper materials" anyways?

There are any number of packages out there, reference materials and so forth that any beginner can start with. For a good basic package one could start with something like E-sword.

You going to trust Science?

I do and when the legitimate rigors of science are followed, the results are highly accurate. That's not an excuse for those who improperly use "the image of science" to further an agenda.

And that's the only sure word we have.
The only other and most reliable source is the Spirit the Lord has given us in order to be able to discern truth from lies.
If you don't have the Spirit of the Lord, you just get tossed to and fro..

Yeah and you will find the Spirit also bears witness to the truth and part of that truth is study and show thyself approved, discern and all that. The "Spirit" is not going to "miracle" a believer from the painful results of his own ignorance or laziness because they didn't put forth a legitimate effort to comply with what scripture requires because it was "hard".

 

[rstrats]

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Any particular reason for posting that verse?