God Commands Righteous Violence

[RLT63]

So would I.

How would you do it?

Would you do it the same way that Jesus and the apostles defended themselves, their families and other innocent people?

Would you do it the same way Vlad did?

Would you do it some other way?

I wouldn’t do it unless it became necessary. The manner of attack would dictate how I would react.

 

[ScottA]

Did you mean to say you “disregarded the commentary”?



Yes. That’s right. No one will learn anything about Vlad from the video.

Yes.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus and the apostles surely must be the example for followers of Jesus of what it means to be masculine.

They didn’t treat their enemies the way Vlad treated his enemies.

Vlad wasn’t feminized, but neither did he model the masculinity of Jesus and the apostles.

Teaching the followers of Jesus to imitate Vlad is an off the chain response to the issue the speaker in the video is addressing; an horrific overcorrection.

I would add David to the example list.

 

[Matthias]

I wouldn’t do it unless it became necessary. The manner of attack would dictate how I would react.

If Islamic Jihadis ever attack you, your family, some other innocent person or persons, it won’t be with a blade of grass.

Would you do “anything it takes” to defend against the Islamic Jihadis? Even if that act involves not following the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles?

 

[Matthias]

I would add David to the example list.

David didn’t follow Vlad’s example.

David also didn’t follow the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles.

Jesus requires more from his followers.

 

[RLT63]

If Islamic Jihadis ever attack you, your family, some other innocent person or persons, it won’t be with a blade of grass.

Would you do “anything it takes” to defend against the Islamic Jihadis? Even if that act involves not following the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles?

Jesus died for our sins, the disciples died for their faith, they set an example, those are not the same scenarios as being attacked by Jihadis

 

[Matthias]

Jesus died for our sins, the disciples died for their faith, they set an example, those are not the same scenarios as being attacked by Jihadis

They were attacked by unbelieving Jews and pagans. What is the difference between being attacked by unbelieving Jews, pagans, and Islamic Jihadis?

The same harm is inflicted in all cases. The party attacked will be just as wounded by one group as they are by the others.

Jesus and the apostles taught the followers of Jesus how to treat their enemies. They didn’t make any exceptions, did they?

Why do Islamic Jihadis (unbelieving Jews, pagan Romans and Greeks, etc.) attack Christians? Is it not because of their faith?

 

[Matthias]

@RLT63 do you think of Islamic Jihadis in terms of being human beings who need to hear the gospel and come to Jesus?

Are you familiar with Jim Elliot’s story?

Are head hunting cannibals better than, worse than, or equal with Islamic Jihadis?

Does it matter which group attacks you, your family, or innocent others? Would your response to being attacked by one group be different or the same as being attacked by the other?

 

[ScottA]

David didn’t follow Vlad’s example.

David also didn’t follow the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles.

Jesus requires more from his followers.

Is that what the Lord said unto my Lord?

No.

 

[Matthias]

Is that what the Lord said unto my Lord?

No.

Why do you think Jesus instructed his followers to treat their enemies in a way which David didn’t treat his?

 

[ScottA]

Why do you think Jesus instructed his followers to treat their enemies in a way which David didn’t treat his?

I don't, I didn't say that. I said David should be included in the list of examples for Christians.

 

[Matthias]

I don't, I didn't say that. I said David should be included in the list of examples for Christians.

David slaughtered his enemies. The apostles and disciples of Jesus didn’t slaughter theirs.

There is a reason why Jesus taught his followers not to treat their enemies like David treated his.

 

[Matthias]

I said David should be included in the list of examples for Christians.

If it will ease your mind any, I say that he should be included too.

 

[ScottA]

David slaughtered his enemies. The apostles and disciples of Jesus didn’t slaughter theirs.

There is a reason why Jesus taught his followers not to treat their enemies like David treated his.

Let's hear it then.

 

[Matthias]

Let's hear it then.

I’ve started a thread on the topic -> “Why did Jesus command his disciples to love their enemies?”

 

[Matthias]

“I love the Communists with all of my heart. Communists can kill Christians but they cannot kill their love toward even those who killed them. I have not the slightest bitterness or resentment against the Communists or my torturers.”

(Richard Wurmbrand, Tortured for Christ, p. 55)

@RLT63 do you have this love for your enemies? Does Jesus?

Are Muslims / Islamic Jihadis on the same level as godless Communists?

Wurmbrand story rewrite:

I love the Muslims / Islamic Jihadis with all of my heart. Muslims / Islamic Jihadis can kill Christians but they cannot kill their love toward even those who killed them. I have not the slightest bitterness or resentment against the Muslims / Islamic Jihadis or my torturers?

I -> Pastor Wurmbrand

I -> Jesus

Can you see Jesus in Pastor Wurmbrand?

 

[Matthias]

@RLT63 does God not love his creatures? Does God not want all men to be saved?

“[Jesus] said to them, ‘Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.’”

(Mark 16:15, NABRE)

Does that include or exclude Muslims / Islamic Jihadis?

 

[Matthias]

@RLT63 @ScottA

Is a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” worthy of death?

Is a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” deceived?

Does God want a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” to change his mind and be saved?

What do you want for such a man?