God wants to save Christians too. --- Say what?

[amigo de christo]

It ain't just "those people back then"...

OH inclusivism , inclusivism , the false love that killest the souls of all who buy it
Thou who stonest and attacks and criticizes and judges those who warn of the dire need to beleive on JESUS CHRIST
and who remind all to return to the bible to learn him . How often would i have gathered thee
ONLY YE CLING to a false love that honors sins and other religoins and YE WOULD NOT .
YE who attack the true ones and call them haters .
YE who would accuse EVEN JESUS CHRIST if he walked into your rainbow churches
YE who would accuse the aposltes and Christ of having no love .
YE who would tell even CHRIST and the apostels , YE ALL HAVE NO LOVE , YE ALL NEED JESUS CHRIST .
Having no idea this all inclusive unity common ground lie has preached both another jesus and gospel unto thee .
The all inclusive lovers would accuse JESUS HIMSELF of not knowing love , not knowing Christ , not knowing GOD .
SOmething has went dead wrong and its about time we got back into bibles to FIGURE this out .

 

[Arthur81]

where they the same rivers?

E G, in line with how you worded the question, I was thinking as follows -

One possible solution for me is influenced in how literal to take the creation account, and how much is more figurative. I reject the evolutionist millions of years approach, and I do not follow the literal approach of the Creation Scientist. If you look at the literal translations like the YLT and the Literal Standard Version, it is written in the present tense as Moses narrates it. I take it to mean Moses is relating this to his contemporaries, and down to us in a way we can have an idea of where Eden was.

"And a river is going out from Eden to water the garden, and from thence it is parted, and hath become four chief rivers; the name of the one is Pison, it is that which is surrounding the whole land of the Havilah where the gold is, and the gold of that land is good, there is the bdolach and the shoham stone; and the name of the second river is Gibon, it is that which is surrounding the whole land of Cush; and the name of the third river is Hiddekel, it is that which is going east of Asshur; and the fourth river is Phrat." (Gen 2:10-14 YLT)

Both the NRSV & NRSVue keep the present tense. Are we justified in projecting this description of Moses' day, to back before the flood in such a literal fashion? At creation did they have those names or exactly how did the rivers relate to what was at the creation.

I suppose though, since God did not explain it to us, we can rest assured it is not needful that we know for certain.

 

[faithfulness]

John 3:8
"The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Psalm 48:13
“Walk about Zion, and go round about her: count the towers thereof.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Psalm 48:12
“Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof.”

Ya gotta be born again. or you wont be walking anywhere near the zion above.

 

[BlessedPeace]

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10 NIV

So, this says: God is the Savior of all people, and... that will include "believers". Very good news.
His salvation of all will include "believers". As a subset of all.

So, why are believers so hard to save? They are trapped in a religious mindset. IMHO

Come on, do you really believe that EVERYONE who calls themselves "Christian" will be saved?
Will you be saved because you belong to this or that church? Or by your stellar works portfolio?
Get real!

Agree or disagree?
Let's discuss. Thanks.


@Patrick1966

Sorry, this sentence doesn't make sense to me.
why are believers so hard to save?

Believers are saved, in that passage. Especially.

Of course that passage has been cited often to sustain universal Salvation doctrine. I E. Jesus saved everyone no matter what or who.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sorry, this sentence doesn't make sense to me.
why are believers so hard to save?

That's mostly me being a trouble maker. - LOL

Of course that passage has been cited often to sustain universal Salvation doctrine.

Right. And I have quoted numerous times with little notice.
I needed push it further this time. Seems to have worked.

I E. Jesus saved everyone no matter what or who.

Actually, in UR the "what or who" does matter, but it's not a salvation issue.
In fact the "what or who" even matter for believers, who will be the HARDEST to save.
I imagine believers quote scripture at Jesus because they don't want to be judged for their works.
Jesus even talked about this. (talk about "no matter what"!!!) - LOL

Matthew 21:31 NIV
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes
are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

 

[Taken]

Uh... that's not the OP. (opening post) That's the topic title. Just to be clear.
See post #28

K ~ you view it as an Opening Post of the topic title.
I view an OP as the Original Poster of a particular topic.

 

[St. SteVen]

K ~ you view it as an Opening Post of the topic title.
I view an OP as the Original Poster of a particular topic.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Still... you didn't say anything about ME as the OP (Original Poster)
Nor did you say anything about MY Original Post. - LOL

You reacted to the title.

I suppose no one has time to read anymore.






















Do you read me now?

 

[Ritajanice]

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Still... you didn't say anything about ME as the OP (Original Poster)
Nor did you say anything about MY Original Post. - LOL

You reacted to the title.

I suppose no one has time to read anymore.

​

Do you read me now?

I had to scroll all the way down to see that..hehe,LOL​

 

[St. SteVen]

I had to scroll all the way down to see that..hehe,LOL​

Thanks for the effort.



















































This is a Christian forum.
















Maybe it should be fun. - LOL

 

[Cassandra]

St. SteVen said:
QUESTION: Why did the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers STILL exist (mentioned in Genesis chapter 2:14) after a global flood?

LOL
Honestly, I don't know the answer.
But it begs the question about whether the flood was actually global, or only local.
There is however, plenty of other evidence that points to a global flood.
Like shark teeth fossils in the desert. ??? Sedimentary rock formations. ???

Yeah, if it wasn't global God could've told Noah to just walk a ways. He had plenty of time to go. The animals would have followed.

 

[Azim]

Yeah, if it wasn't global God could've told Noah to just walk a ways. He had plenty of time to go. The animals would have followed.

I wonder how spread out humanity was right before the flood.

 

[Nancy]

Such a great response!
Thanks for rescuing me. - LOL

Yer funee.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yeah, if it wasn't global God could've told Noah to just walk a ways. He had plenty of time to go. The animals would have followed.

Yes, of course.
There are arguments on both sides. I think a global flood is most viable. But...

This raises some serious questions about God. Planetary genocide as a cover-up?
As if an omniscient God didn't see this coming? What sort of God would do that?
But there we are with our flannel board pictures teaching our children about
all the animals in Noah's Ark. Pretty sick in analysis. I have mixed emotions.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, of course.
There are arguments on both sides. I think a global flood is most viable. But...

This raises some serious questions about God. Planetary genocide as a cover-up?
As if an omniscient God didn't see this coming? What sort of God would do that?
But there we are with our flannel board pictures teaching our children about
all the animals in Noah's Ark. Pretty sick in analysis. I have mixed emotions.

I quickly re-read the account in Genesis chapters six and seven.
Seems I remembered being told as a child that Noah had told the people to repent.
But that they had mocked and ridiculed him instead. Anyone else remember that?
I see none of that in the text.

This was yet another cover-up, this time by the church.
Obviously to absolve God from global genocide. Wow.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yer funee.

You misspelled handsome. - LOL

 

[GTW27]

Yes, of course.
There are arguments on both sides. I think a global flood is most viable. But...

This raises some serious questions about God. Planetary genocide as a cover-up?
As if an omniscient God didn't see this coming? What sort of God would do that?
But there we are with our flannel board pictures teaching our children about
all the animals in Noah's Ark. Pretty sick in analysis. I have mixed emotions.

Have you ever considered believing the Bible and believing The Truth.(Jesus) You can laugh now if you wish, as He has addressed that as well.

 

[Nancy]

You misspelled handsome. - LOL

You are so quick witted, thanks for the come back! Lol.

 

[St. SteVen]

Have you ever considered believing the Bible and believing The Truth.(Jesus) You can laugh now if you wish, as He has addressed that as well.

I'm not laughing.
What is the Bible truth about the global flood?
Was anyone harmed?

 

[St. SteVen]

You are so quick witted, thanks for the come back! Lol.

Now you misspelled dim.
You really need to get spellcheck. - LOL