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Reader,

A sinner, = (everyone) has nothing to offer God, that God can accept to accept you and me.

= """All have sinned, there is non righteous, no not one""'...

A.) So, God offers Jesus as His complete Acceptance of Us., as the : '"one time eternal Sacrifice for our sin".

Why "for our sin" ??

Because its our sin that separates us from God, .... and once this is resolved by The Cross of Christ... as Jesus dying for all our sin, so that we are can be eternally forgiven, .. then God now has in place the eternal substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus "dying for us".

So, this is the Salvation of God, whereby a SINNER can be received into God's family, and into God Himself as born again as "one with God' solely on the merit of the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.

Jesus on The Cross explained this as... "it is Finished"., and HE is "It"... our Salvation, or Forgiveness, our Justification, and our Eternal life, and our Resurrection".

So, this acceptance of Christ's sacrifice as our Salvation, is "The FREE Gift of Salvation".

Heretics do not want God's eternal "gift of Salvation" to be Free, so they dispute it, deny it, and redefine it as "you must do THIS... also, and you must also be careful not to do THAT, and then if you do all this and that, then maybe you'll make it into heaven after you die... ... possibly".

However TRUTH that is real Faith understands that : JESUS is Salvation, and that is why "in Christ alone we place our Trust", and "our FAITH is counted by God" and God then receives us, forgives us, and establishes us forever as washed in the Blood of Jesus, and "made righteous".. having received "the Gift of Righteousness"".


Notice....: John 14:6..

Jesus said....>>"no person comes to the Father, but by ME".... and that is the NT explaining Jesus dying on The Cross for ALL our Sin, which allows God to eternally forgive us, eternally reclaim us as His, and give us the new birth in the Spirit, as a "new Creation in Christ'"..

A.) Thank you : JESUS
 
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Reader,

A sinner, = (everyone) has nothing to offer God, that God can accept to accept you and me.

= """All have sinned, there is non righteous, no not one""'...

A.) So, God offers Jesus as His complete Acceptance of Us., as the : '"one time eternal Sacrifice for our sin".

Why "for our sin" ??

Because its our sin that separates us from God, .... and once this is resolved by The Cross of Christ... as Jesus dying for all our sin, so that we are can be eternally forgiven, .. then God now has in place the eternal substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus "dying for us".

So, this is the Salvation of God, whereby a SINNER can be received into God's family, and into God Himself as born again as "one with God' solely on the merit of the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.

Jesus on The Cross explained this as... "it is Finished"., and HE is "It"... our Salvation, or Forgiveness, our Justification, and our Eternal life, and our Resurrection".

So, this acceptance of Christ's sacrifice as our Salvation, is "The FREE Gift of Salvation".

Heretics do not want God's eternal "gift of Salvation" to be Free, so they dispute it, deny it, and redefine it as "you must do THIS... also, and you must also be careful not to do THAT, and then if you do all this and that, then maybe you'll make it into heaven after you die... ... possibly".

However TRUTH that is real Faith understands that that : JESUS is Salvation, and that is why "in Christ alone we place our Trust", and "our FAITH is counted by God" and God then receives us, forgives us, and establishes us forever as washed in the Blood of Jesus, and "made righteous".. having received "the Gift of Righteousness"".


Notice....: John 14:6..

Jesus said....>>"no person comes to the Father, but by ME".... and that is the NT explaining Jesus dying on The Cross for ALL our Sin, which allows God to eternally forgive us, eternally reclaim us as His, and give us the new birth in the Spirit, as a "new Creation in Christ'"..

A.) Thank you : JESUS
You've summed it up well. Now let's head off the confusion that comes next in a polite way.


Someone will say--

"Oh so you think you can just sin all you like and be saved........"

Romans 6: 1-10
Romans 6:1-2
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.


5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

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for he who has died is freed from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,

9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
10Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,

13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [iinstruments of righteousness to God.

14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.


How??
Gal 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.


It is HIS WORK in us!!!!! Praise God!!!
 

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for he who has died is freed from sin.

The "old man of sin, is crucified with Christ"..
So, this is our old sin nature, that was"" under the law""", and it was the law that use to defined you, as a "sinner", if you are born again.

But now, being ""made free from sin""", as "in Christ' where there is no law, the born again exist here...

= ""Where there is no law, there is no transgression"".

= ""Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES"" (The born again).

So, when we study 2 Corinthians 5:19, and John 3:17, (that noone ever reads) as they only know John 3:16.. then we find the answer to the... ....."Well, what if i mess up after im saved".. ."what if i backslide"... "what if i am not perfect 24/7".....


A.) The born again are "not under the LAW, but under GRACE"..

Are you born again?

So, GRACE, which is the mercy of God extended to the believer as "justification by faith", has concluded this...

= "Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE... of the LAW"..

And what is that curse?
The Curse is that the Law requires righteousness that we dont have, and the Law defines our unrighteousness that we do have, as "sin" every time we commit a carnal deed as an unbeliever, before we were saved.

But now, "being made free from sin", by the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross", we are now BECOME..= "THE righteousness of God IN Christ".... as a "new Creation".... "Born............AGAIN".

So, NOW< when we read :

2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17
Romans 4:8

We find that God never again charges the born again with sin......not ever., not once. = ZERO.

Why not?

Because God has Judged Jesus to DEATH on the Cross for your sin, and that solved it.
God does not Judge Jesus The Lord, again, and Because JESUS has been judged in YOUR PLACE for ALL YOUR SIN, then you are free from Judgement, and that is why you will meet God after you die as "FATHER" and not as Eternal JUDGE.
See, Believer.. .God is not your JUDGE right now... He's your FATHER... "abba".. and He'll still be your Father in the morning, and when you die.

= "Hallelujah "... .

2 Corn 5:19
John 3:16
Romans 4:8


So NOW< if you are born again, you exist """not under the Law, but under Grace""" which means the Law can't ever again define your bad behavior as "sin"...

A.) "Where there is no LAW.. ... there is no SIN, no TRANSGRESSION" (charged).. , and the Born again are "NOT under THE LAW....but UNDER GRACE"..

""""The Law came by Moses, but Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus The Christ."""

1.) 2 Corin 5:19
2.) John 3:17
3.) Romans 4:8
4.) Romans 3:21-28

= Study

AA.)
the born again """ are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under Grace".:, because "Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness, for everyone who BELIEVES".... = ALL the BORN AGAIN.

Are you born again, and not just water baptized and very religious?
Then if so, you are "made free from sin", "you are not under the law" and you have become ""THE Righteousness of God, in CHRIST", as a "new Creation".... Born...... again.


So, if you are born again.... does this mean you will be walking on water and will never again have a desire to want to do some carnal thing like watch some Netflix Filth Movie?
No, it probably does not.
But what it means is... Because of Jesus's Death.... He has removed the Judgement do you for your sin, because "God hath made JESUS to be SIN for us"......., and Jesus has removed the Law that defined your carnal deeds, as "sin", = by dying for ALL your sin..

" well......behold, if i learn what you just showed me, will i now believe i have a license to live like the devil". ?????????????

AAA.) In fact, you will find that when you realize that God will not perceive of ....THE BORN AGAIN.. as anything ever again.... except "MADE RIGHTEOUS"< and to have become "new creation in Christ""....................

= A.) When you get this REVELATiON< of who you have become as a ETERNAL "SON/Daughter" of God, a "Heir of God" and a "joint Heir with Christ", then this GRACE of GOD that you have now encountered as "" the revelation knowledge of God's GRACE.... will in fact, cause you to want to serve God more and more and more, as this revelation continues to set you more and more free.

And if you never get this revelation, then you will remain as a Hebrews 6:1, and you'll worry about sin, and try to keep yourself saved, and you'll be concerned about "losing your salvation">....and all of that is meaningless, as its exactly the wrong understanding of CHRISTianity according to the correct understanding of what it means to be "IN Christ" as "one with God"... FOREVER.
 
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A.) When you get this REVELATiON< of who you have become as a ETERNAL "SON/Daughter" of God, a "Heir of God" and a "joint Heir with Christ", then this GRACE of GOD that you have now encountered as "" the "knowledge of God", will in fact, cause you to want to serve God more and more and more, as this revelation continues to set you more and more free.

And if you never get this revelation, then you will remain as a Hebrews 6:1, and you'll worry about sin, and try to keep yourself saved, and all of that is meaningless, as its exactly the wrong understanding of CHRISTianity according to the correct understanding of what it means to be "IN Christ" as "one with God"... FOREVER.
KEY-" when you get this REVELATiON< of who you have become as a ETERNAL "SON/Daughter" of God, a "Heir of God" and a "joint Heir with Christ", then this GRACE of GOD that you have now encountered as "" the "knowledge of God", will in fact, cause you to want to serve God more and more and more, as this revelation continues to set you more and more free."

Yes, "When" you realize the abundant GRACE & LOVE of God- and BELIEVE GOD, a FREE GIFT? YES FREE! (no works, utterly empty handed and naked, humbled by His magnificent love)-- Woahhhhhhhhhhhh
"WE LOVE BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US"!!! then and only then, can you cry out ABBA, FATHER!!!! Your heart will sing for JOY, and your eyes will shed glorious tears, and you will KNOW HIM who calls you as His own!!
as a baby Christian there is much to learn, but as you continue to Praise HIM for his LOVE He will continue to teach you and help you each day.
Sin? You will learn to walk in the Spirit and and will not carry out the desires of the flesh.
Can you still sin? You will learn that if you walk in the flesh , you will sin. yes. Are we under law? No, but we have the law of love. Faith working through love..
So, walk in the Spirit!!! A believer wants to do what is pleasing to the Lord!! You will rejoice in the Lord all day!
Again, I say, rejoice!! Keep your eyes fixed on Jesus!
it's all TRUE!!
 

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Can you still sin? You will learn that if you walk in the flesh , you will sin. yes.

When you teach that the born again still sin, when in fact there is no sin found "in Christ", and all the born again are "in Christ".... and there is no Law that can define "Sin" as sin" upon them...., because the Born again are ""not under the law"...... .then when you teach the opposite, you are being deceitful.
Do not do that.

So, @PS95 ....If you have to teach the deceit that the born again Have sin, and can sin, "when God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"... .So, if you have to DENY THIS ...... when there is No dominion of the Law that can define the born again's deeds as "sin" because "Jesus is the end of the Law".. then do this on your Thread @PS95.. and sell this heresy there....
Do not try to sell it on my Thread. @PS95

Listen,
NEVER define what God has "made righteous" by the Cross of Christ as a "sinner", as if you do that, you are denying The Cross and insulting the Grace of God, and "doing despite to the blood of Jesus".

Don't do that.
 
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