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forrestcupp, on 06 Mar 2013 - 08:02, said : But that doesn't make sense.
If He was buried on Wednesday afternoon, then Wednesday night would
be one of the nights.

Oops! Sorry about that. The error must have due to a "senior moment".

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[stefen]

Then you celebrate Good Wednesday.. Who bothers you...!

 

[forrestcupp]

Can you show me where Matthew 12:40 says anything about a "grave", a "tomb", or a "sepulcher"?

Matthew 12:40 KJV
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

In addition the man is not the body but rather "in the body" until death because the living soul is the man:

Jonah 2:1-7 KJV
1. Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,
2. And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
3. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
4. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
5. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
6. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.
7. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

And the man is from the dust of the 'adamah-soil-earth and the heart of the man is an altar and temple:

John 19:34-35 KJV
34. But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

And the nephesh-soul resides in the blood. Therefore it is the Matthew 12:40 prophetic statement which is misunderstood just as was stated in my first post above. And now I have a question for you: Do you believe the Most High waited "twelve hours" for a "night" to pass between Genesis 1:5 until he spoke again in Genesis 1:6? Or is it possible that the length of a "yowm" (translated as "day") in the creation account is misunderstood? If an evening and a morning are the waning and the waxing of the period of an hour rather than a twenty-four hour period then the Most High spoke everything of creation in the space of six hours and rested in the seventh "yowm"-hour. Should we honestly be expected to believe that the Most High "paused" for twelve hours for a night to pass before he spoke the Word again the next morning of the next day? If what I say here then be at all a possibility, and one comes to understand the supernal implications of this totally new beginning, then surely for the same shall the light of the sun be sevenfold, as the light of seven yamiym-days, as Isaiah spoke, and there is no night there in the new Genesis. Likewise the Son of man was indeed "in the heart of the 'adamah" for three days and three nights upon the Cross during his crucifixion; that is, three yamiym-hours of light and three yamiym-hours of darkness.

Wow. That's really stretching it to try to prove a man made tradition. I suppose you could be right. I suppose as long as the Bible is true, it doesn't matter if my interpretation of which day Jesus was crucified is right or if yours is.

I make a motion, just to be safe, that we all get Wednesday through Friday off work and school from this point on.

 

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Here's a very simplified method for figuring out which day of the week
Jesus was buried.

Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22 predict that Jesus would be deceased three
days and three nights. However, according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31,
Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:41, Luke 24:46, John 2:19, Acts 10:39-41,
and 1Cor 15:4; Jesus rose from the dead on the third day rather than on
a fourth after the third day was over.

According to Matt 28:1, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1; women went out to
the cemetery on the first day of the Jews' week; viz: Sunday.

According to Luke 24:13-24, that day was the third day since Jesus'
crucifixion.

So: working in reverse from Sunday: the three days are Sunday, Saturday,
and Friday. The three nights are Saturday night, Friday night, and Thursday
night; which puts Jesus' burial squarely on a Wednesday afternoon.

Buen Camino
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Here's a very simplified method for figuring out which day of the week
Jesus was buried.

Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22 predict that Jesus would be deceased three
days and three nights. However, according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31,
Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:41, Luke 24:46, John 2:19, Acts 10:39-41,
and 1Cor 15:4; Jesus rose from the dead on the third day rather than on
a fourth after the third day was over.

According to Matt 28:1, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1; women went out to
the cemetery on the first day of the Jews' week; viz: Sunday.

According to Luke 24:13-24, that day was the third day since Jesus'
crucifixion.

So: working in reverse from Sunday: the three days are Sunday, Saturday,
and Friday. The three nights are Saturday night, Friday night, and Thursday
night; which puts Jesus' burial squarely on a Wednesday afternoon.

Buen Camino
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Are you a 'ChurchOfGod' member?

 

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JB_Reformed Baptist, on 06 Mar 2013 - 14:36, said : Are you a 'Church
OfGod' member?

No.

BTW: Wednesday afternoon was an error due to a "senior moment." It was
supposed to be Thursday afternoon.

Buen Camino
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[stefen]

Then celebrate good thursday..! God bless.

Thanks,

 

[forrestcupp]

Then celebrate good thursday..! God bless.

Thanks,

Or just to be safe, just celebrate Passion Week.

 

[stefen]

Haha.. Tomorrow he may say its on tuesday..! Let's wait and see.

 

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It's very easy to prove that Jonah was alive inside the fish at some point.

†. Jonah 2:1-2 . . Jonah prayed to Yhvh his God from the fish's belly.

But it's just as easy to prove he was dead at some point too.

†. Jonah 2:6 . . To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath
barred me in forever.

Mountains aren't rooted in the bellies of fishes; rather: they're rooted in the
earth; which is exactly why Jonah said the earth beneath barred him in rather
than the lips of a fish's mouth.

So; we have a man praying from two locations:

†. Jonah 2:1 . . Jonah prayed to Yhvh his God from the fish's belly.

†. Jonah 2:2 . . Out of the belly of sheol I cried

In other words; Jonah prayed from two bellies: the belly of a fish, and the
belly of sheol. Since the record shows Jonah in only two places-- and one
of them is clearly the belly of a fish --then by default the belly of sheol is
located in the vicinity of the roots of the mountains.

But how is it possible for Jonah to be inside the fish while at the same time
down inside the earth? Well; the answer is pretty easy if we but simply allow
that people exist beyond the demise of their organic bodies. In other words:
while Jonah was dead; his corpse was interred in the fish; and his soul was
warehoused in the netherworld.

According to Acts 2:25-31 Christ, while dead, was in two places at once too:
in a grave, and in hades; which is the Greek equivalent of the belly of sheol;
which, according to Mr. Jonah, is located in the vicinity of the roots of the
mountains.

†. Matt 12:39-41 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Christ wasn't buried in the heart of the earth. In point of fact, he wasn't even
buried in the earth's soil. No, he was buried in a rock tomb on the surface of
the earth. How then was he in the heart of the earth? Well; the same as Jonah.
While Christ's corpse was interred in the rock, his soul was warehoused in
the netherworld.

†. Ps 16:10 . . For you will not leave my soul in sheol, nor allow your holy
one to see corruption.

NOTE: A certain well-known denomination insists that when a human being
dies, it goes completely out of conscious existence. Their resurrection doctrine
therefore is not a resurrection according to the traditional meaning of the word,
but rather; a re-creation: which essentially implies that when Christ died on
the cross, he ceased to exist; viz: for three days and three nights, there was
no Christ-- neither in this life nor in the next. So in order to "raise" Christ from
the dead, it was necessary for God to create Jesus' previous existence back
to existence. In other words: according to the beliefs of some religions; the
pre-ascension Christ was a second Christ; viz: a redux.

That belief of course assumes that the Lord's soul died on the cross right
along with his body; which of course it didn't because assassins can't kill
souls.

†. Matt 10:28a . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul.

In other words: the soul doesn't perish along with the demise of one's body.
Not that it's impossible; it's just that only God can pull off something like that.

†. Matt 10:28b . . but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and
body in hell.

The Greek word for "hell" in that verse isn't the hell of Acts 2:25-31. No; that
one is haides, but this one is geena (gheh'-en-nah) which is much worse than
the roots of the mountains: much worse.

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[daq]

Wow. That's really stretching it to try to prove a man made tradition. I suppose you could be right. I suppose as long as the Bible is true, it doesn't matter if my interpretation of which day Jesus was crucified is right or if yours is.

I make a motion, just to be safe, that we all get Wednesday through Friday off work and school from this point on.

It has nothing to do with any tradition but rather Torah "pearls" which have not here been shared.

 

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†. Acts 2:24 . . It was not possible that he should be held by death.

Why not? Because Jesus had more than just human life: he also had
eternal life.

†. John 5:26 . . As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the
Son to have life in Himself.

†. 1John 1:2 . .The life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear
witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and
was manifested to us.

Eternal life is a species of life that can't die; therefore it's impervious to death.

So then, when Christ's body expired on the cross, he didn't go out of
existence because eternal life can't be terminated by the mere passing of a
frail organism. If that were not true, then eternal life wouldn't be eternal; it
would instead be just as temporal, just as fragile, and just as subject to
termination as human life. In point of fact, if eternal life was vulnerable to
death, then it would be possible for God to commit suicide.

How can a mortal human being have eternal life? Well; in the passages
below, note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb. It's present tense
rather than future, indicating that believers have eternal life right now-- no
delay and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.

†. 1John 5:13 . .These things I have written to you who believe in the name
of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

So then, believers need not fear going out of existence any more than Jesus
feared.

†. John 10:27-28 . . My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Clearly then, people claiming to be the Lord's followers; while not possessing
eternal life; are only wearing a costume.

†. 1John 5:9-12 . .We accept human testimony; but God's testimony carries
more weight because it's the testimony of God, which He has given about His
son . . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life
is in His son. He who has The Son has this life; he who does not have this
life, does not have God's son.

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