Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

[Robert Pate]

Jesus said, "I say therefore unto you (The Pharisees) that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins" John 8:24.

Jesus was trying to convince the Pharisees that he was God, they didn't believe that he was. They said, "Is this not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brothers James, Joses. and Simon, and Judas? and his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then has this man all of these things? Matthew 13:55-56.

In spite of all the miracles that Jesus did they could not believe that he was God. After Jesus raised Lazurus from the dead they decided that the only thing that they could do was to kill him.

There are many professing Christians that do not believe that Jesus is God. They are unbelievers. No one will be saved that does not believe that Jesus has atoned for their sins and the sins of the whole world. Only God can atone for the sins of the whole world. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

To not believe that Jesus is God causes many to turn to religion. Religion is man's effort to try and save himself by the works of the law. Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what we do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn, not save or justify, yet there are multitudes that believe that they must keep the law and the commandments, or they will not be saved. It is just the opposite.

I believe that Religion is an indication of the absence of faith. They don't believe that Jesus has saved them, so they turn to religion to save themselves.

 

[Cassandra]

The Bible says not to forsake assembling yourselves together/ Is that what you call religion? going to church?

 

[Robert Pate]

The Bible says not to forsake assembling yourselves together/ Is that what you call religion? going to church?

Anyone going to the organized church is probably religious. Christians should fellowship with those of like faith.

 

[Cassandra]

Isnt a group of folk of like faith a church?

 

[Robert Pate]

Isnt a group of folk of like faith a church?

Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together I am there".

 

[Windmillcharge]

I believe that Religion is an indication of the absence of faith

There is plenty of faith in religion, just no faith in Jesus.

 

[Robert Pate]

There is plenty of faith in religion, just no faith in Jesus.

Right. Religion is a perverted faith.

 

[brightfame52]

Grace does cover unbelief, for Jesus died for that sin as well as all of our sins, if we belong to His Sheep or Gods elect. Those who die in their sins in unbelief as Per Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its because they were not of Christs Sheep for whom He died Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

So if they were not of His Sheep for whom He died, they must die in their own sins including unbelief.

 

[Robert Pate]

Grace does cover unbelief, for Jesus died for that sin as well as all of our sins, if we belong to His Sheep or Gods elect. Those who die in their sins in unbelief as Per Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its because they were not of Christs Sheep for whom He died Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

So if they were not of His Sheep for whom He died, they must die in their own sins including unbelief.

Christ's sheep are the ones that have accepted him as their savior. You believe that Jesus could not get anyone to believe in him, so he made them believe in him. Doesn't do much to glorify God or his Son Jesus Christ. A forced salvation is really sick.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ's sheep are the ones that have accepted him as their savior. You believe that Jesus could not get anyone to believe in him, so he made them believe in him. Doesn't do much to glorify God or his Son Jesus Christ. A forced salvation is really sick.

Christ died for the sin of unbelief, so only people Christ didnt die for can and will die in their sins which unbelief is one of them.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

It does to the OSAS peoples.

In fact as far as they are concerned, one can live like the devil and still go to Heaven!

It's a freaky un-biblical doctrine that leads to, well... living like the devil!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Anyone going to the organized church is probably religious.

And deceived since one must accept whatever it is they teach otherwise they'll get the left foot of fellowship!

Lots of people will accept false doctrine just so they can be a part of the group rather than putting what God's Word teaches first and foremost in their lives.

The desire to be accepted is a major tool the devil uses to get people to accept false doctrine.

 

[Robert Pate]

And deceived since one must accept whatever it is they teach otherwise they'll get the left foot of fellowship!

Lots of people will accept false doctrine just so they can be a part of the group rather than putting what God's Word teaches first and foremost in their lives.

The desire to be accepted is a major tool the devil uses to get people to accept false doctrine.

The desire to belong to something is very strong. This is how the cultist work,

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The desire to belong to something is very strong. This is how the cultist work,

Yep, and if I were a betting man... I'd bet that when the one world leader gets here all the big popular preachers will claim this man is a great apostle of god sent by Jesus and we should thank the Lord for his arrive to solve all the world's problems!

Initially the anti-christ will be a very likable, peaceful, seemingly great humanitarian full of grace mercy and love for the masses!

Nothing but one big deception, but most Christians today are already deceived by all the false teachers and their false doctrine... how are they going to not be deceived by a skilled, professional deceiver such as the anti-christ who will be personally possessed by satan?

The devil will make it as though only ignorant, backwards, inbred, retarded rednecks would be dumb enough to not follow this "great" one world leader and his ecumenical one world religion!

So, most who claim to be Christian will jump on board quicker than germans jumpin on the Hitler bandwagon in the 1930s!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Yep, and if I were a betting man... I'd bet that when the one world leader gets here all the big popular preachers will claim this man is a great apostle of god sent by Jesus and we should thank the Lord for his arrive to solve all the world's problems!

Initially the anti-christ will be a very likable, peaceful, seemingly great humanitarian full of grace mercy and love for the masses!

Nothing but one big deception, but most Christians today are already deceived by all the false teachers and their false doctrine... how are they going to not be deceived by a skilled, professional deceiver such as the anti-christ who will be personally possessed by satan?

The devil will make it as though only ignorant, backwards, inbred, retarded rednecks would be dumb enough to not follow this "great" one world leader and his ecumenical one world religion!

So, most who claim to be Christian will jump on board quicker than germans jumpin on the Hitler bandwagon in the 1930s!

Absolutely.
The deception is not in the word of God's truth to state what is, what will be nor what is to come, but the LIE OF "THOU SHALT SURELY NOT........."

Water running over rocks long term will smooth the edges, satan has done this in false doctrines being promoted in all churches by lies.
The edges gives grounding to the stone so it doesn't just roll with the flow but grips the ground to hold.
Critical thinking has been darkened by the religious leaders to blind, soothe and smooth away our reasoning & questioning, our edges.

I do believe just as Rome took over " Christianity" after Christ so too will the A.C take over organized religious denominations, whom will willingly pant after him.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yep the devil is boiling the frog slowly!

 

[Robert Pate]

Yep, and if I were a betting man... I'd bet that when the one world leader gets here all the big popular preachers will claim this man is a great apostle of god sent by Jesus and we should thank the Lord for his arrive to solve all the world's problems!

Initially the anti-christ will be a very likable, peaceful, seemingly great humanitarian full of grace mercy and love for the masses!

Nothing but one big deception, but most Christians today are already deceived by all the false teachers and their false doctrine... how are they going to not be deceived by a skilled, professional deceiver such as the anti-christ who will be personally possessed by satan?

The devil will make it as though only ignorant, backwards, inbred, retarded rednecks would be dumb enough to not follow this "great" one world leader and his ecumenical one world religion!

So, most who claim to be Christian will jump on board quicker than germans jumpin on the Hitler bandwagon in the 1930s!

Very true. People are looking for someone to follow. There are 1.3 billion Catholics that believe the pope is the vicar of Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Is Unbelief a sin ?​

Yes, by all means and it's illustrated by the unbelief of the jews who departed from egypt Heb 3:16-19. Now notice vs 17 " them that had sinned" are them that believed not in vs 18-19, the sin was believing not or unbelief.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

So now when Paul preached that Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3, and yet that didn't include their sin of unbelief, then he lied on Christ. The point is this, if Christ died for our sins, then He died for our unbelief, and we can't be condemned for it as some are Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Now proof positive that unbelievers Christ died for can not be condemned for unbelief is Rom 5:10, that while we were enemies and unbelievers obviously, we still had been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is not the case if we are under condemnation for unbelief.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[brightfame52]

Why them Christ died for cant die in unbelief !​

Jesus once said Jn 10:26

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

In other words, if they were of His Sheep that He came to live and die in behalf of, they would believe on Him, or they would become believers. Now why is that so ? Because Christ has came and fulfilled the Law for them, and hence its written Rom 10: 4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

When Christ came in the flesh, He came to fulfill the Law for all them He represented, them which had been given Him of His Father. He in their names and stead did obey Gods Law for them, it was in His Heart to do so Heb 10:7-9

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Now this actually was taken from a Psalm 40:7-8

7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Now what needs to be understood is that Christ did this not as a single private person, but as an Surety Head Representative, like Adam was in the beginning. Now, Christ did successfully do and keep and fulfill the Law for all whom He represented, being totally obedient to all of its righteous precepts.

Now remember when Jesus made this statement Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Well these weightier matters of the Law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith He did , kept and obeyed for them He came in the flesh for.

Luke writes Lk 11:42

But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Basically what Jesus is saying that these false people of God neglected to do is this Matt 22:36-40

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

So Jesus has fully fulfilled these Two commandments for all whom He came to live and die for !

He has for them #1. "loved the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind

#2. Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now understand, When He did this, these Two things, He did them in behalf of His People He came to live and die for, He kept the Law of God perfectly for them, and God reckons it so as if they did it themselves, as it was in Adam, when he sinned against Gods Law, when he sinned, all sinned with him, so it is with Christ, when He obeyed, all in Him obeyed.

Now within Christ's Obedience to Gods Law was His Faith and Love to God Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Christ in His suretyship obedience to Gods Law in the behalf of His people could not have obeyed without Faith, for in fact, its impossible to please God apart from it Heb 11:6. Christ had Faith as it is written Heb 12:2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

As the Author of Faith, it means several things, one being this. The word author in the original is the greek word archēgos and means:

the chief leader, prince
of Christ

one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer
the author

He was the example of Faith in God !

So therefore He had Faith in keeping the Law of God for His People, Hence His Peoples Faith began in Him, when He kept the Law for them.

So that's why its impossible for anyone Christ Lived and died for can live and die in unbelief, seeing they have already in their Surety Head believed ! Its just as sure as not one person Adam represented in his sin for them, can not be born a sinner, to manifest their union with adam when he sinned, and so it is with Christ, not one sinner He lived and died for can live and die without Faith to manifest their union with Christ !