Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

[brightfame52]

Understanding what 'satisfying the Law' means will challenge the orthodox interpretation.
Be assured, condemnation is not something that emanates from God and he doesn't need blood to satisfy himself nor to forgive sins.

God is not legal in the sense we apply it, he is moral and compassion is its cornerstone.
Legality has been foisted onto God to justify/ satisfy our lack of love for our neighbour.
Jesus is the unmitigated revelation of God. He is the bright light of God's reality. If we want to know how God operates we need to understand Jesus and not just use his name to 'validate' our theories.

Im afraid you are deceived friend, not much I can do for you,however God is Just and Holy, His Righteous Law must be obeyed perfectly in both precept and punishment if its disobeyed in the slightest. There is no repentance in the Law, you either do it or die. Now since Christ didnt die for the non elect, they are under and married to the Law, it has dominion over them. This is what Paul says Gal 3 10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

These people unfortunately cannot believe in Jesus because they are condemned by the Law and will remain in unbelief Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already[by the law], because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[brightfame52]

@quietthinker

There is no condemnation from God.

Sure it is. Right here Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Cor 11 32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Do you deny that this is a world of condemned people here ?

 

[Ritajanice]

One doesn’t know they are in un- belief because their heart/ spirit is alienated from God.

Only God can bring us to belief..when he gifts us the faith in our spirit, His witness makes our spirit Born Again.

You can only believe in Jesus by His Living witness, testifying that spiritual truth to our heart/ spirit.

The written word doesn’t make our spirit Born Again.

 

[Taken]

Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

@Robert Pate

I get your point…

Basically I would say:
Grace OF God is an attribute of God.
Love OF God is an attribute of God.
Mercy OF God is an attribute of God.

Gods attributes OF Grace, Love, Mercy APPLIES to ALL of manKind.

It is the “manner” of Gods Application that is “different”.

Meaning:
** A man WITH God Forever, shall Forever Consciously Alive experience total Peace.
(Utterly VOID of Fear, turmoil, chaos, disease, sorrow, pain, suffering, etc.)
** Because he IS ALIVE, Forever WITH God.
* This man, has received Gods Love, Grace, Mercy, that such man WILL LIVE FOREVER, WITH God, withOUT Fear, turmoil, chaos, disease, sorrow, pain, suffering, etc.).
* This mans, Love, Grace, Mercy, Peace, Existence, continues, with God and with LIKE Saved and Born Again others…


** A man withOUT God Forever, shall Forever
Ultimately BE Utterly VOID of Fear, turmoil, chaos, disease, sorrow, pain, suffering, etc.)
** Because he IS DEAD Forever, withOUT God, withOUT conscious knowledge, feeling.
This man, knows, experiences, nothing.
* This man, has received Gods Love, Grace, Mercy, that such man will NOT LIVE FOREVER, without God, (in Fear, turmoil, chaos, disease, sorrow, pain, suffering, etc.).
* This man shall be forgotten.

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The Love, Mercy, Grace, Gifts, Blessings, Remembrance, of them ends.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brightfame52]

See the Truth be told, unbelief is the consequence of being already condemned. Faith in Christ will not be given to them whom Christ didn't come to save and whom He did not lay down His Life for, namely the non sheep, since its expressly stated He came to lay down His Life for the Sheep Jn 10:10-11

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they[The Sheep] might have it more abundantly.

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

So unto the Sheep it will be given unto them to Believe on His Name Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Why ? Because being of His Sheep , He lay down His Life for them and satisfied for them Gods Law and Justice, hence the Law doesn't condemned them, and they cant be of them whom are already condemned, having a right therefor to believe on His Name Jn 1:12 ! The non sheep have not this right and so are already condemned, which their unbelief gives evidence of !

 

[brightfame52]

@Taken

Gods attributes OF Grace, Love, Mercy APPLIES to ALL of manKind.

Thats absolutely false, limited to Gods elect.

 

[Taken]

@Taken



Thats absolutely false, limited to Gods elect.

Disagree.

Gods Grace, Love, Mercy, extends unto those who REJECT God.

An EXPRESS example IS:
God WITH-HOLDS giving to a man (who Rejects God), the Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit, (which IS the EXPRESS means for a man to become MADE Born of God, and Spiritually ALIVE FOREVER, (which IF God DID “quicken” (MAKE a man who has REJECTED GOD), Spiritually ALIVE FOREVER)….that man WOULD ETERNALLY BE ALIVE, and ETERNALLY SUFFER THE TORMENTS IN HELL…
Separation from God
Continual Thirst
Continual Darkness
Continual Putrid Odor
Continual Heat
Continual Sight and Sounds of all there experiencing that agony.

It is BECAUSE of Gods Grace, Love, Mercy…even for those who REJECT GOD, that they shall NOT FOREVER suffer the Torments of Hell.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brightfame52]

Disagree.

Gods Grace, Love, Mercy, extends unto those who REJECT God.

An EXPRESS example IS:
God WITH-HOLDS giving to a man (who Rejects God), the Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit, (which IS the EXPRESS means for a man to become MADE Born of God, and Spiritually ALIVE FOREVER, (which IF God DID “quicken” (MAKE a man who has REJECTED GOD), Spiritually ALIVE FOREVER)….that man WOULD ETERNALLY BE ALIVE, and ETERNALLY SUFFER THE TORMENTS IN HELL…
Separation from God
Continual Thirst
Continual Darkness
Continual Putrid Odor
Continual Heat
Continual Sight and Sounds of all there experiencing that agony.

It is BECAUSE of Gods Grace, Love, Mercy…even for those who REJECT GOD, that they shall NOT FOREVER suffer the Torments of Hell.

Glory to God,
Taken

Its given only to the elect, His Mercy, Grace and Love is limited to His Elect, and they are saved from unbelief.

 

[Taken]

Its given only to the elect, His Mercy, Grace and Love is limited to His Elect, and they are saved from unbelief.

It is bold of you to LIMIT Gods capacity to extend His Mercy, His Grace, His Love TO ONLY HIS CREATIONS that Love Him, Believe IN Him.

Do you MIMICK your “god” and ONLY extend “mercy, grace and love”, to those who LOVE you?

 

[brightfame52]

No unbelief isnt the cause of ones condemnation, but their condemnation is the cause of their unbelief ! Jn 3 :18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those not believing here in this verse and context will never become believers but will remain unbelievers, since they werent Sheep for whom Christ died. Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Now those believing in this verse and context do so because they were never condemned, because Christ was condemned in their stead, He was made a curse for them Gal 3:13

That curse He became for them He died for was because of their condemnation, which was due for their sins. So they weren't never condemned already !

 

[quietthinker]

@quietthinker



Sure it is. Right here Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Cor 11 32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Do you deny that this is a world of condemned people here ?

Your assumption is that it is God who is condemning them. Where does that assumption come from?

 

[brightfame52]

It is bold of you to LIMIT Gods capacity to extend His Mercy, His Grace, His Love TO ONLY HIS CREATIONS that Love Him, Believe IN Him.

Do you MIMICK your “god” and ONLY extend “mercy, grace and love”, to those who LOVE you?

contrary friend its bold and presumptuous of you to extend Gods Mercy, Grace and Love beyond His Elect. God shows His Love is restricted Rom 9:13,15,18

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

He limits His Mercy

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

So unfortunaetly you are bearing false witness,may God deliver you

 

[brightfame52]

Your assumption is that it is God who is condemning them. Where does that assumption come from?

Its not assumption, its your assumption that its not God who condemns them, Gods Law condemns them,which is the same

 

[quietthinker]

Its not assumption, its your assumption that its not God who condemns them, Gods Law condemns them,which is the same

Absolutely its an assumption which you make about God condemning.
Have you not read it is the accuser who makes the judgement of condemnation. God is not the or an accuser.

 

[Taken]

contrary friend its bold and presumptuous of you to extend Gods Mercy, Grace and Love beyond His Elect. God shows His Love is restricted Rom 9:13,15,18

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

He limits His Mercy

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

So unfortunaetly you are bearing false witness,may God deliver you

Unfortunately your LACK of UNDERSTANDING has established a conundrum for you.

God SO LOVED the WORLD…
“THE World” is expressly INCLUSIVE, of ALL things IN, OF, ON the World.

You attempting to undermine Gods LOVE, according to YOUR WORDS, is a FAIL.

HATE? Sure Gods HATES. So do men.
So What?
HATE is NOT the opposite of LOVE.
HATE does NOT cancel Gods LOVE.
HATE does NOT cancel mans LOVE.

John 3:
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Gods Grace is Gods attribute of the MANNER in which He ACTS.

Gods Mercy is Gods attribute of the MANNER of His ACTS.

Gods Mercy is FOR Gods OWN SAKE, revealing GOD IS JUST.

You preaching Gods Grace, Mercy, Love IS LIMITED TO ONLY the ELECT, is blatantly FALSE.

The FACT IS:
…God IS LOVE and LOVES ALL People.
The FACT IS:
…God BLESSES ALL People.
The FACT IS:
…By, Through, Of, Gods Knowledge, Gods Understanding, Gods Truth, Gods Grace, Gods Mercy, Gods Love….
God BLESSES “SOME” PEOPLE, “MORE” than other People.

One man RECEIVING MORE FROM GOD…
DOES NOT MEAN (as you propose)…OTHER MEN Receive NO Grace, Mercy, Love from God.

 

[JBO]

I believe that Religion is an indication of the absence of faith. They don't believe that Jesus has saved them, so they turn to religion to save themselves.

I think you have a bad definition of religion. Belief in God of the Bible is a religion.

 

[brightfame52]

Absolutely its an assumption which you make about God condemning.
Have you not read it is the accuser who makes the judgement of condemnation. God is not the or an accuser.

Again your assuming

 

[brightfame52]

Unfortunately your LACK of UNDERSTANDING has established a conundrum for you.

God SO LOVED the WORLD…
“THE World” is expressly INCLUSIVE, of ALL things IN, OF, ON the World.

You attempting to undermine Gods LOVE, according to YOUR WORDS, is a FAIL.

HATE? Sure Gods HATES. So do men.
So What?
HATE is NOT the opposite of LOVE.
HATE does NOT cancel Gods LOVE.
HATE does NOT cancel mans LOVE.

John 3:
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Gods Grace is Gods attribute of the MANNER in which He ACTS.

Gods Mercy is Gods attribute of the MANNER of His ACTS.

Gods Mercy is FOR Gods OWN SAKE, revealing GOD IS JUST.

You preaching Gods Grace, Mercy, Love IS LIMITED TO ONLY the ELECT, is blatantly FALSE.

The FACT IS:
…God IS LOVE and LOVES ALL People.
The FACT IS:
…God BLESSES ALL People.
The FACT IS:
…By, Through, Of, Gods Knowledge, Gods Understanding, Gods Truth, Gods Grace, Gods Mercy, Gods Love….
God BLESSES “SOME” PEOPLE, “MORE” than other People.

One man RECEIVING MORE FROM GOD…
DOES NOT MEAN (as you propose)…OTHER MEN Receive NO Grace, Mercy, Love from God.

Its you who lack understanding friend

 

[Taken]

Its you who lack understanding friend

Disagree. My source for Understanding is Supreme, and holds my full Trust and Confidence.

 

[brightfame52]

Disagree. My source for Understanding is Supreme, and holds my full Trust and Confidence.

You appear to be deceived as well, so see ya at the Judgment !