Grace or works of the law?
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I believe that He that believes and is baptized into Christ is saved.
That is the spiritual baptism, in which water baptism represents.
Mark 16:16 says this???...
16 He that believeth and is baptized BY THE SPIRIT shall be saved;...?
Is this the same commission as this?....
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
...the disciples baptized folks with the Spirit?
The Holy Spirit baptizes them as John the Baptist told us He would do.
The apostles water baptized them immediately as the outward confession of the inward baptism by the Holy Spirit.
NO, Romans 6 says we are baptized into the death of Christ, buried with Him in death, and risen a new man in Christ that is the regeneration taking place that Paul spoke of in Titus.
That is not water baptism, it is the spiritual baptism that water baptism represents.
If they baptized everyone in the name of Jesus after they were saved by repenting, then why are you not baptized in the name of Jesus after you were saved by repenting? Are you better than they?
You are wrong, the Spirit gives life. Water baptism is after death or repentance and dying with Jesus and being buried with Jesus is water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ . The Spirit is life-giving. Think about it.
I was saved in a Sunday morning church service. The pastor announced from the pulpit, at the end of the service there would be a baptism taking place in 30 minutes, whoever wanted to witness the baptism were welcome to attend.
The baptism of dying with Christ, buried with Christ, and risen a new man in Christ, took place sitting in that pew. Just as it did with Paul while sitting on the road to Damascus.
The water baptism was my outward confession of what happened in my heart while sitting in that pew believing what I heard.
Did I mention the pastor of that church preached Jesus Christ crucified for the sins of man?
If you were not baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins you were duped by an affiliate of the RCC.
Obey Acts 2:38 like the Acts church did.
Don't be a daughter of the RCC.
Ernest T. Bass
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Hi,
Eph 2:5------------------grace >>>>>>>>>>>> saves
Eph 2:8------------------faith >>>>>>>>>>>> saves
Acts 2:38----------------repent/baptized >>>>> saves/remits sins
Rom 10:9-10-----------confession >>>>>>>> saves
Since there is but one way to be saved then grace includes/requires faith, repentance, confession and baptism. Titus 2:11-12 grace teaches, it instructs man and grace is not dispensed to man nor received by man apart from God's instructions. Grace cannot be received apart from hearing (Rom 10:17) and obedience (Heb 5:9) to grace's instructions about faith repentance, confession, baptism, ALL of which grace teaches. The rejection/disobedience of any of the instructions of grace is the same as rejecting grace.
Since grace cannot be received by works of merit, then the works of faith, repentance, confessing with the mouth, submitting to water baptism as taught/required by grace cannot be works of merit.
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Ernest T. Bass
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Ernest T. Bass
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Baptism with the HS and speaking in tongues had NOTHING to do with the personal salvation of Cornelius. Even if Cornelius had not been baptized with the HS by the Lord, he would have been saved anyway when he obeyed Peter's command to be water baptized (Acts 10:47-48) having his sins remitted per Acts 2:38.
In Acts 8 the Spirit sent for Phillip to give guidance and water baptize the eunuch. The eunuch was not baptized with the HS by the Lord but was saved anyway when he was water baptized for remission of sins the same exact way as Cornelius.
The issue at hand in Acts 10 is the salvation of the gospel going to the Gentiles. Salvation was not just for the Jews but also for the Gentiles. Before being called to the office of an Apostle, Peter was a Jew who kept the OT law of Moses, hence Peter says "I have never eaten anything that is common and unclean". Peter as a Jew was raised to make a distinction between clean and unclean food, he was obedient to that OT law.
Yet in the vision, God demonstrated there is no difference between clean. The implication is if the distinction the OT law put between clean and unclean is abolished, then the OT law must be abolished also. Christ took away that middle wall of partition that separated Jew and Gentile, Eph 2:13-14. Going forward then, Peter realized and learned God was not just talking about food no longer being cleaned and unclean, but that all people are clean including Gentiles, hence salvation was just as much for the Gentile as the Jew.
As Peter 'began' to teach the 'saving words" to Cornelius, Cornelius was baptized with the HS and spake in tongues. This was NOT for any salvific benefit of Cornelius but it was God's way of proving to the Jews that the Gentiles were clean and salvation was therefore to go to the Gentiles. Hence any Jew that tried to "forbid water" would be attempting to keep salvation from going to the Gentiles, preventing the Gentiles from having their sins remitted in water baptism.
In Acts 11 Peter had to 'contend with' the Jews in Jerusalem why he went to the Gentiles. Peter in his defense told those Jews God was behind salvation going to the Gentiles, even though the Jews saw the Gentiles as unclean. It was God who gave the vision that the Gentiles were clean and it was God who baptized the Gentiles with the HS. Upon rehearsing these events to the Jews of the things God did, it convinced the Jews and they quit objecting that salvation was to go to the Gentiles, Acts 11:18.....
"When they heard these things, (the vision and Gentiles being baptized with the HS) they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life."
The only reason the context gives us as to why God baptized Cornelius with the HS was to provide proof to the Jews the Gentiles were clean and therefore salvation was to go to the Gentiles also. To attach any other purpose or reason to Cornelius being baptized with the HS is adding ideas not found in the context. To have Cornelius saved before he was water baptized creates a host of impossibilities and contradictions.
So, do you believe those in an unsaved state can receive the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at pentecost and speak in tongues?
Ernest T. Bass
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Cornelius himself is an example of an unsaved person being given the ability to speak in tongues by the HS. Again, having Cornelius saved before water baptism creates a host of impossibilities.
Two questions:
1) Are you suggesting that if one is not baptized with the HS and does not speak in tongues then one is lost? That is, one MUST be baptized with the HS and speak in tongues in order to be saved? If baptism with the HS and speaking in tongues is necessary to be saved and therefore proof of Cornelius' salvation, then the eunuch in Acts 8 was NOT saved for NOT being baptized with the HS and not speaking in tongues being proof he was lost....he went on his way rejoicing that he was lost??
2) Could Cornelius have been saved anyway even if he were NOT baptized with the HS?
Whereas we could spend time discussing your questions they are not relevant to the point being made. The point is a simple one. Can someone in an unsaved state be filled with the Holy Spirit as the disciples were at pentecost and speak in tongues. I believe that is impossible, you do not.
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Eph4:30
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. Rom8:9-11
If the Spirit is in you, Christ is in you, Christ does not dwell in the unsaved
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