Grand DECEPTION of Today's Unbelieving Jews

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Brethren in Christ Jesus:

Do not be deceived by what today's unbelieving religious Jews are proposing about the middle east nation of Israel and the return there of many Jews. You will find on some of their religious websites, their declaration of Israel's Restoration with the return of Jews in 1948 when the United Nations voted to make Israel a nation in the middle east again, but nothing like the nation God has promised in His Word, for today Jerusalem is divided with the Arabs.

Yet one will find them quoting from the Old Testament prophets about Israel's restoration when those prophecies are actually about the Restoration that only will happen when Lord Jesus Christ returns sometime in our near future. Not only unbelieving orthodox religious Jews believe 1948 is the Restoration, but so also do some factions in Christianity believe it too. But they all are deceived.

One of the major problems today in the Church is also the Jew's deception using that title of Jew to apply to all Israelites, when the northern kingdom, the ten lost tribes of Israel, did not use that title of Jew.

Per the Jewish historian Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews, he said that title of Jew came from the sole tribe of Judah, and was the name which the small remnant that returned from the Babylon captivity used for themselves, the strangers that went captive with them also used it. The Babylon captivity only involved the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes. The majority of the seed of Israel, the ten northern tribes, had already been scattered out of the holy land by the time the Jews went captive to Babylon. (See this history starting in 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17, and 2 Chronicles 11)

When Hebrews 8 & 10 quote from the Book of Jeremiah about the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", those two houses represent God having divided old Israel in two parts during Solomon's day with different prophecies He gave to each one. In 1 Kings 11, specifically about His promise to David and Jerusalem, God said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem. These became known as the Jews of the "house of Judah", made up of only those 3 tribes I mentioned before. To this day, those are who are returning to holy land nation of Israel. The majority of Israelites, the ten tribes, are still scattered among the nations to this day, and will not be gathered until Lord Jesus Christ returns.

What this means is there is a major DECEPTION going on among the Jews, and among deceived Churches, that think God's final Restoration of Israel per His promise had begun in 1948 with the return of many Jews to create the nation of Israel again. The REALITY is that those Jews of today's Israel in the land only represent the "house of Judah", and not... the lost sheep of the "house of Israel". You will find propaganda against this Bible prophecy about the true restoration where Jews will claim the "house of Israel" title is about Jews only, when it has nothing to do with the Jews of the southern "house of Judah" per God's Word. So when Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", the Jews claim that is only about them when it is not. It is instead about the ten scattered tribes of the northern kingdom called the "house of Israel", and the meaning is that Jesus Christ would be received by the ten scattered tribes that were scattered among the Gentiles, and both together would make up Christ's Church of the historical western nations, thus fulfilling the Genesis 48 prophecy that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

The Ezekiel 37 Scripture tells us about God commanding His prophet Ezekiel to get two sticks, and write on one stick for Joseph (for the northern ten tribe "house of Israel), and on the other stick for Judah (Jews of the southern "house of Judah"), and join the two sticks together as one stick. And when the people ask what it means, to tell them that God will end Israel having been "two nations", and will join both houses back together and bring them into their own land promised their fathers. And that there will be one Head (Jesus) over them, with David as their prince. Many of today's Jews of course are against that prophecy in Ezekiel 37, because they instead want us to believe that restoration is happening now since 1948 and only involves Jews (yes, you have to be a declared Jew to return to the middle east nation of Israel to live there and become part of the nation.)

So remember, the TRUE RESTORATION of the nation of Israel per God's Promises will only be when Lord Jesus Christ returns to this earth to sit upon His throne of inheritance as King of Israel, and that throne is about David's throne, an earthly throne. That is when the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 will be joined back together in the holy land, and the Israel layout per GOD's Word, and not the word of the U.N., will be established there.
 
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I am starting to develop a major case of jew fatigue. And not far behind would be eschatology fatigue. I honestly don't see how you people do it, is there nothing else in the bible at all (Christology perhaps?) that even slightly interests you?

When Christ returns there won't be a doctrinal quiz, and I know this is shocking to a few of you, but there won't be an eschatology quiz either. And that's a really good thing, as practically every expert in these forums and elsewhere will be proven completely wrong about just about everything.

Christ, when He returns, and let's pray it's soon, will be looking for faith. And I can only guess that the faith He will be looking for is the type that bears fruit, not perfect fruit, not necessarily bushels and bushels of fruit either, just fruit, good gospel fruit. Faith without works being dead and all.

So when Christ does return, do we really hope he finds us hammering away at our keyboards? Or might we be more hopeful upon His return that He found us actually doing something useful? I hope I'm praying when He returns, at the very least, walking in the Spirit.

But whatever man, you guys keep sharing those charts, Jesus loves charts and graphs. And by all means, keep loving your brother just enough to set him straight, set him good and straight. Make sure he is doctrinally and eschatologically sound, or in other words; in agreement with your opinion, it's God's opinion right? Could it be anything else?
 

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Jews (of Judaism) are getting ready to embrace the Antichrist, mistaking him for their long awaited messiah.
 
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Jews (of Judaism) are getting ready to embrace the Antichrist, mistaking him for their long awaited messiah.

Your claim in your post is not true at this present time. The Antichrist is still over 1,020 solar years into our future.
 
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Jews (of Judaism) are getting ready to embrace the Antichrist, mistaking him for their long awaited messiah.
Your claim in your post is not true at this present time. The Antichrist is still over 1,020 solar years into our future.
Jay, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation for us to know when He will return no later than. The Jews embracing the Antichrist, mistaking him as their long awaited messiah will take place before the end of 2030.




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@Jay Ross

Jay, two Jewish rabbi's who have a lot of You-Tube videos about their coming messiah are R. Tovia Singer and R. Aron Sokol.

They believe that their messiah is going to show up soon.
 

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Brethren in Christ Jesus:

Do not be deceived by what today's unbelieving religious Jews are proposing about the middle east nation of Israel and the return there of many Jews. You will find on some of their religious websites, their declaration of Israel's Restoration with the return of Jews in 1948 when the United Nations voted to make Israel a nation in the middle east again, but nothing like the nation God has promised in His Word, for today Jerusalem is divided with the Arabs.

Yet one will find them quoting from the Old Testament prophets about Israel's restoration when those prophecies are actually about the Restoration that only will happen when Lord Jesus Christ returns sometime in our near future. Not only unbelieving orthodox religious Jews believe 1948 is the Restoration, but so also do some factions in Christianity believe it too. But they all are deceived.

One of the major problems today in the Church is also the Jew's deception using that title of Jew to apply to all Israelites, when the northern kingdom, the ten lost tribes of Israel, did not use that title of Jew.

Per the Jewish historian Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews, he said that title of Jew came from the sole tribe of Judah, and was the name which the small remnant that returned from the Babylon captivity used for themselves, the strangers that went captive with them also used it. The Babylon captivity only involved the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes. The majority of the seed of Israel, the ten northern tribes, had already been scattered out of the holy land by the time the Jews went captive to Babylon. (See this history starting in 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17, and 2 Chronicles 11)

When Hebrews 8 & 10 quote from the Book of Jeremiah about the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", those two houses represent God having divided old Israel in two parts during Solomon's day with different prophecies He gave to each one. In 1 Kings 11, specifically about His promise to David and Jerusalem, God said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem. These became known as the Jews of the "house of Judah", made up of only those 3 tribes I mentioned before. To this day, those are who are returning to holy land nation of Israel. The majority of Israelites, the ten tribes, are still scattered among the nations to this day, and will not be gathered until Lord Jesus Christ returns.

What this means is there is a major DECEPTION going on among the Jews, and among deceived Churches, that think God's final Restoration of Israel per His promise had begun in 1948 with the return of many Jews to create the nation of Israel again. The REALITY is that those Jews of today's Israel in the land only represent the "house of Judah", and not... the lost sheep of the "house of Israel". You will find propaganda against this Bible prophecy about the true restoration where Jews will claim the "house of Israel" title is about Jews only, when it has nothing to do with the Jews of the southern "house of Judah" per God's Word. So when Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", the Jews claim that is only about them when it is not. It is instead about the ten scattered tribes of the northern kingdom called the "house of Israel", and the meaning is that Jesus Christ would be received by the ten scattered tribes that were scattered among the Gentiles, and both together would make up Christ's Church of the historical western nations, thus fulfilling the Genesis 48 prophecy that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

The Ezekiel 37 Scripture tells us about God commanding His prophet Ezekiel to get two sticks, and write on one stick for Joseph (for the northern ten tribe "house of Israel), and on the other stick for Judah (Jews of the southern "house of Judah"), and join the two sticks together as one stick. And when the people ask what it means, to tell them that God will end Israel having been "two nations", and will join both houses back together and bring them into their own land promised their fathers. And that there will be one Head (Jesus) over them, with David as their prince. Many of today's Jews of course are against that prophecy in Ezekiel 37, because they instead want us to believe that restoration is happening now since 1948 and only involves Jews (yes, you have to be a declared Jew to return to the middle east nation of Israel to live there and become part of the nation.)

So remember, the TRUE RESTORATION of the nation of Israel per God's Promises will only be when Lord Jesus Christ returns to this earth to sit upon His throne of inheritance as King of Israel, and that throne is about David's throne, an earthly throne. That is when the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 will be joined back together in the holy land, and the Israel layout per GOD's Word, and not the word of the U.N., will be established there.
When we see the restoration of Israel as a process that is gradually unfolding over time, both sides mesh together.
 

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When we see the restoration of Israel as a process that is gradually unfolding over time, both sides mesh together.

God has made it specific just how and when the future restoration will take place, and who all it will include. What those in Christ must do is be careful of those who think to either create that restoration now, without Christ Jesus' coming being involved. The reason is because God's Word warns us about the coming first of a false-Messiah to Jerusalem, specifically meant for the unbelieving Jews who rejected Lord Jesus Christ as The Messiah.
 

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I am starting to develop a major case of jew fatigue. And not far behind would be eschatology fatigue. I honestly don't see how you people do it, is there nothing else in the bible at all (Christology perhaps?) that even slightly interests you?

When Christ returns there won't be a doctrinal quiz, and I know this is shocking to a few of you, but there won't be an eschatology quiz either. And that's a really good thing, as practically every expert in these forums and elsewhere will be proven completely wrong about just about everything.

Christ, when He returns, and let's pray it's soon, will be looking for faith. And I can only guess that the faith He will be looking for is the type that bears fruit, not perfect fruit, not necessarily bushels and bushels of fruit either, just fruit, good gospel fruit. Faith without works being dead and all.

So when Christ does return, do we really hope he finds us hammering away at our keyboards? Or might we be more hopeful upon His return that He found us actually doing something useful? I hope I'm praying when He returns, at the very least, walking in the Spirit.

But whatever man, you guys keep sharing those charts, Jesus loves charts and graphs. And by all means, keep loving your brother just enough to set him straight, set him good and straight. Make sure he is doctrinally and eschatologically sound, or in other words; in agreement with your opinion, it's God's opinion right? Could it be anything else?
its about a promise God made to His chosen people. promises God makes stand forever. but i agree there will be no quiz.. lol

God knows mens hearts and we shall be judged on the Words of Christ either Jews or gentiles.

Cheers.
 

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Your claim in your post is not true at this present time. The Antichrist is still over 1,020 solar years into our future.
Jay, Some prophecy have a dual meaning could the Antichrist one be a dual prophecy?
 

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Brethren in Christ Jesus:

Do not be deceived by what today's unbelieving religious Jews are proposing about the middle east nation of Israel and the return there of many Jews. You will find on some of their religious websites, their declaration of Israel's Restoration with the return of Jews in 1948 when the United Nations voted to make Israel a nation in the middle east again, but nothing like the nation God has promised in His Word, for today Jerusalem is divided with the Arabs.

Yet one will find them quoting from the Old Testament prophets about Israel's restoration when those prophecies are actually about the Restoration that only will happen when Lord Jesus Christ returns sometime in our near future. Not only unbelieving orthodox religious Jews believe 1948 is the Restoration, but so also do some factions in Christianity believe it too. But they all are deceived.

One of the major problems today in the Church is also the Jew's deception using that title of Jew to apply to all Israelites, when the northern kingdom, the ten lost tribes of Israel, did not use that title of Jew.

Per the Jewish historian Josephus in his Antiquities of the Jews, he said that title of Jew came from the sole tribe of Judah, and was the name which the small remnant that returned from the Babylon captivity used for themselves, the strangers that went captive with them also used it. The Babylon captivity only involved the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes. The majority of the seed of Israel, the ten northern tribes, had already been scattered out of the holy land by the time the Jews went captive to Babylon. (See this history starting in 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17, and 2 Chronicles 11)

When Hebrews 8 & 10 quote from the Book of Jeremiah about the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", those two houses represent God having divided old Israel in two parts during Solomon's day with different prophecies He gave to each one. In 1 Kings 11, specifically about His promise to David and Jerusalem, God said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem. These became known as the Jews of the "house of Judah", made up of only those 3 tribes I mentioned before. To this day, those are who are returning to holy land nation of Israel. The majority of Israelites, the ten tribes, are still scattered among the nations to this day, and will not be gathered until Lord Jesus Christ returns.

What this means is there is a major DECEPTION going on among the Jews, and among deceived Churches, that think God's final Restoration of Israel per His promise had begun in 1948 with the return of many Jews to create the nation of Israel again. The REALITY is that those Jews of today's Israel in the land only represent the "house of Judah", and not... the lost sheep of the "house of Israel". You will find propaganda against this Bible prophecy about the true restoration where Jews will claim the "house of Israel" title is about Jews only, when it has nothing to do with the Jews of the southern "house of Judah" per God's Word. So when Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", the Jews claim that is only about them when it is not. It is instead about the ten scattered tribes of the northern kingdom called the "house of Israel", and the meaning is that Jesus Christ would be received by the ten scattered tribes that were scattered among the Gentiles, and both together would make up Christ's Church of the historical western nations, thus fulfilling the Genesis 48 prophecy that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

The Ezekiel 37 Scripture tells us about God commanding His prophet Ezekiel to get two sticks, and write on one stick for Joseph (for the northern ten tribe "house of Israel), and on the other stick for Judah (Jews of the southern "house of Judah"), and join the two sticks together as one stick. And when the people ask what it means, to tell them that God will end Israel having been "two nations", and will join both houses back together and bring them into their own land promised their fathers. And that there will be one Head (Jesus) over them, with David as their prince. Many of today's Jews of course are against that prophecy in Ezekiel 37, because they instead want us to believe that restoration is happening now since 1948 and only involves Jews (yes, you have to be a declared Jew to return to the middle east nation of Israel to live there and become part of the nation.)

So remember, the TRUE RESTORATION of the nation of Israel per God's Promises will only be when Lord Jesus Christ returns to this earth to sit upon His throne of inheritance as King of Israel, and that throne is about David's throne, an earthly throne. That is when the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 will be joined back together in the holy land, and the Israel layout per GOD's Word, and not the word of the U.N., will be established there.
Hi Davy

There is also a great deception today in "christian" followers who think they follow Christ But do not. They know who Jesus is and What he did but ( the cross) but obstinately refuse to keep his words, they will not do what he says, this is the sad part so many are deceived because of false doctrines and there are so many, so many its sad really. the words Jesus spoke are truth and eternal life yet they refuse his words.


Blessings
 

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Jay, Some prophecy have a dual meaning could the Antichrist one be a dual prophecy?

My response is NO.

Yes, we are told that there are/will be many Antichrists that have been/will be active since the time of Christ, but the main time of the Antichrist is found in the Book of Revelation.

Luke tells us twice that: -

after the completion of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children during the third and fourth generation/age of the existence of Israel, that Israel, upon seeing the kings of the earth gathered at Armageddon and judged by God/Jesus, that they will seek God's/Jesus' terms for peace/reconciliation as told in Luke 14:31-32 and

after Satan goes away into a pit for many days to receive a kingdom, Israel immediately send a delegation to state that they no longer want to be ruled by Satan in Luke 19:14.

In Ezekiel 34:25-31 we are given this information: -

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I find that this passage tells us about the time of the Antichrist that will lead many astray from Christ: -

1 John 2:18-27: –– Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is {during} the last days, and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore, we know that it is the last Days. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life.

26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

ESV​

The interesting phrase in the above passage is "they went out from us," which Revelation 13 tells us will happen after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked and the Beast and the False Prophet are able to rise up out of the Bottomless Pit to deceive the Saints just before the Second Coming of Christ.

So the reference to the Antichrist will unfold during the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age just before Christ returns.

Shalom​
 
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My response is NO.

Yes, we are told that there are/will be many Antichrists that have been/will be active since the time of Christ, but the main time of the Antichrist is found in the Book of Revelation.

Luke tells us twice that: -

after the completion of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children during the third and fourth generation/age of the existence of Israel, that Israel, upon seeing the kings of the earth gathered at Armageddon and judged by God/Jesus, that they will seek God's/Jesus' terms for peace/reconciliation as told in Luke 14:31-32 and

after Satan goes away into a pit for many days to receive a kingdom, Israel immediately send a delegation to state that they no longer want to be ruled by Satan in Luke 19:14.

In Ezekiel 34:25-31 we are given this information: -

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I find that this passage tells us about the time of the Antichrist that will lead many astray from Christ: -

1 John 2:18-27: –– Warning Concerning Antichrists

18 Children, it is {during} the last days, and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore, we know that it is the last Days. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life.

26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

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The interesting phrase in the above passage is "they went out from us," which Revelation 13 tells us will happen after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked and the Beast and the False Prophet are able to rise up out of the Bottomless Pit to deceive the Saints just before the Second Coming of Christ.

So the reference to the Antichrist will unfold during the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age just before Christ returns.

Shalom​
makes sense, thank you Jay.
 

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Hi Davy

There is also a great deception today in "christian" followers who think they follow Christ But do not. They know who Jesus is and What he did but ( the cross) but obstinately refuse to keep his words, they will not do what he says, this is the sad part so many are deceived because of false doctrines and there are so many, so many its sad really. the words Jesus spoke are truth and eternal life yet they refuse his words.


Blessings

Sad but true. It shows that what God prophesied for the end in Amos 8 that there would be a famine for hearing The Word God, looking everywhere for it and not finding it, has come to pass. Just as old Israel was hard of hearing, so likewise it has happened again.
 

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Sad but true. It shows that what God prophesied for the end in Amos 8 that there would be a famine for hearing The Word God, looking everywhere for it and not finding it, has come to pass. Just as old Israel was hard of hearing, so likewise it has happened again.
Yes and the door is about to be shut ( parable of the ten virgins) permanently! not much time left. we must redouble our efforts.
 
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Most will since they will still be in shock trying to work out why so many people disappeared in the twinkle of an eye

I don't why some brethren keep supporting the charlatans behind the false pre-trib rapture theory with such ideas, when God's Word actually shows when Jesus comes to gather His Church, EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM COMING IN THE CLOUDS.

Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
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Christ's coming to gather His saints will not... be a secret rapture.
 
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I don't why some brethren keep supporting the charlatans behind the false pre-trib rapture theory with such ideas, when God's Word actually shows when Jesus comes to gather His Church, EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM COMING IN THE CLOUDS.

Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
KJV


Christ's coming to gather His saints will not... be a secret rapture.
It will not be post trib.
That much is certain.