TammyinWI
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Was your reply cut off? Could you please expand on that a little? Thank you!
ETA: Immorality is on one end of the spectrum, and God is way on the other end.
Greatest War the World has ever Seen coming very Soon!
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Was your reply cut off? Could you please expand on that a little? Thank you!
ETA: Immorality is on one end of the spectrum, and God is way on the other end.
aspen
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The Temple being rebuilt is the goal
God will go to any length to acheive, including employing a person like Trump.
This is immoral
I believe God is moral
TammyinWI
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Thanks for expounding on your post.
He defines morality, and is the be-all, end-all, the Alpha and the Omega! Yes! He is capable of anything He wants, and it sure is going by the Book! And, God is allowing a lot of things to happen, yes.
Davy
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That's really just political rambling, probably by some over-excited Jew. Trump's support in agreeing that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel didn't mean it now is, since the Palestinians are still in control of part of Jerusalem, and the Israelis are controlled by U.N. sanctions regarding its borders. It could help in moving the Jew's goals further along though. But no, their building another temple has not been supported by Trump nor even the Israeli government and definitely not by the U.N., not yet. The only ones even talking about building the temple are those orthodox Jews not in power who have been planning it for the last few decades.
Rollo Tamasi
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Okay, every one listen to me.
I'm the specialist on this subject.
1. The pre-trib rapture is always a week from Tuesday.
In others words, keep dreaming.
2. No one in this world today will see any type of rapture.
We will all die before then.
3. Keep looking up?
Yeah, because you're gonna die, be ready to meet your maker.
4. Interpret Revelation properly?
Take any ten specialists on the subject and you'll get 10 different opinions.
5. Wake up people, live for today, you aren't promised tomorrow.
I'm the specialist on this subject.
1. The pre-trib rapture is always a week from Tuesday.
In others words, keep dreaming.
2. No one in this world today will see any type of rapture.
We will all die before then.
3. Keep looking up?
Yeah, because you're gonna die, be ready to meet your maker.
4. Interpret Revelation properly?
Take any ten specialists on the subject and you'll get 10 different opinions.
5. Wake up people, live for today, you aren't promised tomorrow.
Triumph1300
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Just listen to Trump.
He tells you fire and fury is coming soon to North korea.
He says rockets will be flying soon to Syria.
I.o.w. all talk, like the previous guy.
A lot of yepping about not crossing the red line.
But they cross it all the time.
He tells you fire and fury is coming soon to North korea.
He says rockets will be flying soon to Syria.
I.o.w. all talk, like the previous guy.
A lot of yepping about not crossing the red line.
But they cross it all the time.
Davy
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Guess you didn't wait long enough. Saturday, the U.S. launched missles against Syria's military chemical bases, "mission accomplished" like Trump said, Britain and France with them.
For you to declare God is moral is to sit in judgement of God. As if your knowledge of morality is sufficient for such a feat. God is God. What He does is Holy, Righteous, and Good. The very establishment of Israel back into the land was accomplished by many who were not Christians. The removal of Israel out of the land was accomplished by those who were not only not believers but hated the God of Israel.
And, when the temple is rebuilt, which it will be, it will be due probably to the action of the anti-Christ who rises out of Europe and who the Jews receive. The temple in Christ's day was Herod's temple as he enlarged it which was originally built under the decree of Cyrus the Meade. Yet Jesus called it His Father's house. (Matt. 21:13)
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Triumph1300
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How do you you know he'll rises out of Europe?
That's just a wild guess I think.
It's easy to post wild guesses like that without any evidence to back up such a thing.
(Dan. 9:26)
The people of the prince to come were the Romans. Which means he who is to come will be of the Roman empire.
Stranger
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Hello, I believe that you are not looking/considering all of the verses in the Book of Daniel concerning the time span that is in view with the destruction of the Sanctuary in Jerusalem and the scattering of the Nation of Israel to the four corners of the globe.
The first passage that should be considered from Daniel is: -
Daniel 8:8-14, 23-26: -
And this should be read in light of what is recorded in Daniel here: -
Daniel 9:26b : -
We also find the little horn mentioned here in Daniel: -
Daniel 7:7-12: -
7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
Vision of the Ancient of Days
9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.
11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the {little} horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
My sense is that few people understand who the “little horn is.” The little horn, as are the other four beasts of Daniel 7 are fallen wicked heavenly hosts. Paul in Ephesians 6:12 warned about these wicked fallen heavenly hosts when he wrote: -
Ephesians 6:10-13: - The Whole Armor of God
When we look at the unfolding events we should be mindful of the influence of the fallen wicked demonic heavenly hosts who are presently exercising their influence over these events that we are seeing nightly on our TV’s. We, who are in Christ, need not be fearful of these entities because already have the truth to give us victory over them when they attempt to oppress us.
If we continue to look in the wrong places for the present of the evil ones who want to oppress and overcome the Saints, then we will be easily defeated because we will be lead into destruction out of our own ignorance.
In our near future, the war in heaven will be over and the wicked demonic fallen heavenly hosts will be thrown down to the earth to be imprisoned for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit along with the Kings of the earth who are also judged, and their punishment decreed, to await their time of punishment in our distant future after many days, i.e. around 1,050 years into our future. (Isaiah 24:21- 22)
There is so much we/I still do not understand about what is to happen during the End Time.
What I do know though is that the Gog Magog battle, is still a distant future event.
The near future event that will be visible for us to see will be the judgement of the kings of the earth at Armageddon. How big an event will this be? I do not know. It will depend on the size of the army that will be considered necessary to over come Israel at that time.
Shalom
The first passage that should be considered from Daniel is: -
Daniel 8:8-14, 23-26: -
8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, {i.e. the continual idolatrous worship of Israel}, an army was given over to the {little} horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"
14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days, {i.e. for 2,300 years}; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."
. . . . .
23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 "Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.
26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore, seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future."
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"
14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days, {i.e. for 2,300 years}; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."
. . . . .
23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 "Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.
26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore, seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future."
And this should be read in light of what is recorded in Daniel here: -
Daniel 9:26b : -
And the people of the prince {i.e. the little horn} who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war {in heaven} desolations are determined.
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war {in heaven} desolations are determined.
We also find the little horn mentioned here in Daniel: -
Daniel 7:7-12: -
7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
Vision of the Ancient of Days
9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.
11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the {little} horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
My sense is that few people understand who the “little horn is.” The little horn, as are the other four beasts of Daniel 7 are fallen wicked heavenly hosts. Paul in Ephesians 6:12 warned about these wicked fallen heavenly hosts when he wrote: -
Ephesians 6:10-13: - The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
When we look at the unfolding events we should be mindful of the influence of the fallen wicked demonic heavenly hosts who are presently exercising their influence over these events that we are seeing nightly on our TV’s. We, who are in Christ, need not be fearful of these entities because already have the truth to give us victory over them when they attempt to oppress us.
If we continue to look in the wrong places for the present of the evil ones who want to oppress and overcome the Saints, then we will be easily defeated because we will be lead into destruction out of our own ignorance.
In our near future, the war in heaven will be over and the wicked demonic fallen heavenly hosts will be thrown down to the earth to be imprisoned for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit along with the Kings of the earth who are also judged, and their punishment decreed, to await their time of punishment in our distant future after many days, i.e. around 1,050 years into our future. (Isaiah 24:21- 22)
There is so much we/I still do not understand about what is to happen during the End Time.
What I do know though is that the Gog Magog battle, is still a distant future event.
The near future event that will be visible for us to see will be the judgement of the kings of the earth at Armageddon. How big an event will this be? I do not know. It will depend on the size of the army that will be considered necessary to over come Israel at that time.
Shalom
TammyinWI
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The Emperor who enjoyed watching Christians tortured in the coliseums, while it was a spectator sport, and crowds loved to see Christians torn up by lions and what ever else they could conceive for sick entertainment?
And the guy who decided that Sunday should be the Sabbath instead, not Saturday? That guy?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Christianity was against the law during Nero’s reign - it was not supposed to be observed on Saturday or Sunday or any other day.
Nero even adds up to 666
TammyinWI
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The Bible says clearly that the Sabbath is Saturday. No, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, in case someone is going to assume that I am.
But I see what you are saying here, I get it...ok...but why did he change it then?
I came to add to my post: Nero also blamed the great fire of 64 A.D. on the Christians, as he wanted to keep the blame off of himself.
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