Greene not backing "Mark of the beast bill'

[Nameaboveallnames]

What would you call this: -

I would call that me telling you that you are being led by Satan, the accuser of the brethren, when you make such false accusations.

And?

Do you feel the least bit of Holy Ghost conviction when you falsely accuse Christians?

You should, but, apparently, you don't.

 

[Jay Ross]

I would call that me telling you that you are being led by Satan, the accuser of the brethren, when you make such false accusations.

And?

Do you feel the least bit of Holy Ghost conviction when you falsely accuse Christians?

You should, but, apparently, you don't.

I am just following your lead,

 

[Earburner]

Yes, there is. Well, that "little horn," the Vatican, is already here.

You are greatly mistaken.

For example, in Daniel and in relation to the "little horn," we read:

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Dan. 7:25)

Similarly, in Revelation and in relation to "the first beast," we read:

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (Rev. 13:5-7)

It is the same "mouth speaking great words against the most High" or "great things and blasphemies," and the same exact "little horn" or "first beast" shall "wear out the saints of the most High" for "a time (1 year), and times (two years), and the dividing of time (1/2 a year)," or for "forty and two months," or for 3 1/2 years.

This is reality.

For you to take that prophecy of the "little horn" and push it out into the far future of 2500 years, from the date of Daniel's prophecy, means that you violated the time period of the 70 week prophecy, and who it was that actually fulfilled the 70TH Week. Dan. 9:24-27.

Now this won't sit well with you, but it must be said. Specifically in Dan. 9:26-27 it is about Jesus'  three comings:
> 1st coming in mortal flesh and then

> 2nd coming ever since Pentecost by His Holy Spirit, and then Jesus'

> 3rd coming, His Glorious return in the "consummation" of flaming fire, in his Immortality, as shown in Dan. 9:27; 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:1-18. Also see Hebrew 12:29.

So then, have you studied the 2300 days prophecy (Dan. 8:14) like I suggested?
Please see Dan. 8:13-14 then all of ch. 11 and 12, in conjunction with the historical record of 1&2 Maccabees.

 

[Earburner]

The antichrist is the literal offspring of satan, a nephilim ...the seed of the serpent as prophesied in Genesis.

As spirit beings, please tell us when angels could literally procreate anything?

 

[TLHKAJ]

As spirit beings, please tell us when angels could literally procreate anything?

Fallen angels did so in the OT both before and after the flood. And there is the prophecy God spoke in Genesis about the two seeds... the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) and the seed of the serpent (antichrist). Jesus said that in the last days, it would be as it was in the days of Noah. The things that were happening in the days of Noah (before and after the flood) would be happening again. And that is where we are now, and have been for some time.

 

[Brakelite]

Why the little horn of Daniel 7, and of Daniel 8 (subtly different) cannot possibly be Antiochus.
This 'little horn' was to exceed the greatness of all the preceding powers. Media/Persia, identified by the angel as pertaining to the ram "became great" (Daniel 8:4); The he-goat itself, Greece, from which the horn grew was to wax "very great", (Daniel 8:8), but this little horn which was to grow out of Greece, was to become "exceeding great".( Daniel 8:9). In other words, it was to be greater than the empire of Greece itself, greater than Alexander, greater than any of the 4 generals that divided the empire between themselves, Ptolemy, Cassander, Lysimachus, or Seleucus. It is claimed by many, in fact it has almost become standard belief in modern Christian thought, that Antiochus Epiphanes is represented by this little horn. This is based solely on his persecution of the Jews and the desecration of the temple, as is presumed to have taken place upon a reading of the ensuing verses. The problem however is that Antiochus does not meet the requirements of any other specific in the prophecy. (Some refer to him as being the fulfilment of the little horn that grows out of the fourth beast in Daniel 7 also.)
This is particularly popular with the preterist position, but to insist upon this understanding is to wrest the scripture from it's historical setting, for an important point to note is that the 4th beast reaches to the end of time, and is destroyed at the second coming. The view that Antiochus is the little horn restricts the entire book of Daniel to the period of time before Christianity was established.

First, let me in detail give my reasons why I believe Antiochus cannot be the little horn of Daniel 7.

a. Antiochus does not rise after 10 kings. He was the 8th king in the Syrian line of Seleucid kings. Besides, the prophecy calls for 10 kingdoms to exist contemporaneously, not successively.
b. Antiochus belonged to the 3rd empire (Greece) in actual historical sequence from Daniel's time.
c. He was not 'diverse' from any other king.
d. He did not 'pluck up' 3 other kings.
e. He was not 'stouter' than his fellows. His father was known as Antiochus the Great, not Epiphanes.
f. He did not prevail until the end of time, the judgment.
g. The kingdom following was Rome, not the kingdom of the saints.

Now, reasons why Antiochus cannot be the little horn of Daniel 8.

a. Antiochus was not a horn in his own right. He was of the Seleucid line therefore was a minor part of one of the four.
b. He did not wax exceeding great. In fact his father was greater, but neither he nor his father were as great as even Babylon or Media Persia, certainly no greater than Alexander. Yet the prophecy demands that the little horn be greater than any empire before it.
c. He does not fit the time periods. According to Maccabees 1:54,59, and 4:52 Antiochus suppressed the sacrifices exactly 3 years. This fits neither the 1260 days , (times time and half a time,) nor the 2300 days (evenings and mornings of Daniel 8:14). These figures do not compliment one another NOR do they meet the reign of Antiochus.
d. The 2300 days is prophetic. Using the day/year principle established elsewhere as being the standard and norm for interpreting prophetic time periods, it is a literal 2300 years, and deeper study reveals that the 2 time periods of the 70 weeks and the 2300 days, begin at the same time.
Therefore,
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
can only refer to the empire of Rome, and thus is the Daniel 8 parallel to not just the 4th beast of Daniel 7...
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
... but also the iron legs of the statue of Daniel 2. See how each prophecy repeats and enlarges upon the preceding prophecy?
The dragon (4th) beast represents the Roman empire (168 B. C. - 476 A. D.). This empire came to be known as the “iron monarchy of Rome” (Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 4, p. 161). The ten horns represent the ten kingdoms into which the Roman Empire was divided when it fell apart. These ten kingdoms, according to Edward Gibbon, were:
The Alemanni,
the Franks,
the Burgundians,
the Vandals,
the Suevi,
the Visigoths,
the Saxons,
the Ostrogoths,
the Lombards
and the Heruli
(see, M. H. Brown, The Sure Word of Prophecy, pp. 54, 55).
“The historian Machiavel, without the slightest reference to this prophecy, gives the following list of the nations which occupied the territory of the Western Empire at the time of the fall of Romulus Augustulus [476 A. D], the last emperor of Rome: The Lombards, the Franks, the Burgundians, the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, the Vandals, the Heruli, the Sueves, the Huns, and
the Saxons: ten in all.” (H. Grattan Guinness, The Divine Program of the World’s History, p. 318).

The little horn that grew from the head off the pagan Roman beast of Daniel 7 can only be the papacy. It is the only power that fulfills every criteria the prophecies require of it.

 

[Earburner]

The view that Antiochus is the little horn restricts the entire book of Daniel to the period of time before Christianity was established.

My point exactly!!
99% of Daniel has been fulfilled,... but the false teachings of "church-ianity" won't allow you to understand or know that.

For example, in the KJV and CathoIlic Vulgate Bibles, you will not find the words "THE Antichrist", describing a singular man. However, you will find the word "antichrist" describing many (men) that are of THAT spirit of antichrist. IOWS, it is THAT spirit of antichrist that is singular and NOT just one man.
Therefore THAT singular spirit of antichrist infects many men, thus forming MANY antichrists

Unfortunately many Theologins, Bible Teachers, Pastors etc. of church-ianity have been decieved to belive that the 70th week of the70 week prophecy was cut off and then is to be attached to time 2500+ years into the future from when Daniel received his vision.

So then, until one empties their head of what "church-ianity" teaches, and then learns aknew, according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit within them, they will always teach a LIe.

Edit: I have addressed the majority of that issue about Antiochus Epiphanes being the ONLY little horn that was and ever shall be.
Please see my post #202 in thread: 'The Last and Final Evil Kingdom of Daniel' The Last and Final Evil Kingdom of Daniel

 

[Earburner]

Fallen angels did so in the OT both before and after the flood. And there is the prophecy God spoke in Genesis about the two seeds... the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) and the seed of the serpent (antichrist). Jesus said that in the last days, it would be as it was in the days of Noah. The things that were happening in the days of Noah (before and after the flood) would be happening again. And that is where we are now, and have been for some time.

Again....how do spirit beings (angels) procreate, when they don't have the equipment to do so?

Edit:
Do you not see that foolish thoughts as yours had been turned into doctrines, of which are then force fitted into end time thinking, thus confusing and corrupting the obvious truth about all of scripture that describe the end times.

Equally so is the doctrine of "a one man band, miracle man" that "church-ianity" loves to call "THE Antichrist". Do not pay attention to that of a singular MAN, but rather "that spirit of antichrist" that infects "MANY".
There is no singular "THE Antichrist" to come. That prophecy was fulfilled in the prophecy of "The 2300 Days" (Dan. 8:13-14), all of which took place during the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes lV in approx. 175-164 BC.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Brakelite]

My point exactly!!
99% of Daniel has been fulfilled,... but the false teachings of "church-ianity" won't allow you to understand or know that.

For example, in the KJV and CathoIlic Vulgate Bibles, you will not find the words "THE Antichrist", describing a singular man. However, you will find the word "antichrist" describing many (men) that are of THAT spirit of antichrist. IOWS, it is THAT spirit of antichrist that is singular and NOT just one man.
Therefore THAT singular spirit of antichrist infects many men, thus forming MANY antichrists

Unfortunately many Theologins, Bible Teachers, Pastors etc. of church-ianity have been decieved to belive that the 70th week of the70 week prophecy was cut off and then is to be attached to time 2500+ years into the future from when Daniel received his vision.

So then, until one empties their head of what "church-ianity" teaches, and then learns aknew, according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit within them, they will always teach a LIe.

Edit: I have addressed the majority of that issue about Antiochus Epiphanes being the ONLY little horn that was and ever shall be.
Please see my post #202 in thread: 'The Last and Final Evil Kingdom of Daniel' The Last and Final Evil Kingdom of Daniel

I agree that the 70th week was fulfilled within the time of the early apostolic ministry. I don't agree with much else. The destruction of the statue. Hasn't happened yet. The development and growth of the ten Roman horns didn't eventuate until the 5th century. The destruction of the 3, a century later. The rising of the little horn, 6th century.

 

[Earburner]

I agree that the 70th week was fulfilled within the time of the early apostolic ministry. I don't agree with much else. The destruction of the statue. Hasn't happened yet. The development and growth of the ten Roman horns didn't eventuate until the 5th century. The destruction of the 3, a century later. The rising of the little horn, 6th century.

I'm glad that you agree to the fulfillment of the 70th week as a past event, however many are not seeing how it is being fully described. I revealed it in my post #103, of which is a spiritual and factual truth, but it is difficult to accept it because of the blindness of denominational "church-ianity". I am not intending that anyone should agree with me on this. I am only sharing what I have been coming to understand.

There are the three comings of Jesus.
1. Mortal flesh
2. By His Spirit
3. In Flaming fire
All three comings can be seen in Dan. 9:27.

KJV Dan. 9[27]
#1 And he [Jesus] shall CONFIRM the [New] covenant with many for ONE [full] week [3.5 +3.5= 7 seven years]:
and in the MIDST of the week [the first 3.5 years**] he [Jesus, by his Sacrifice] shall make [cause] the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make [cause] it [the Temple to be] desolate [void of God/destroyed],
#3 even UNTIL the  CONSUMMATION [the fiery end]. [Heb. 12:29; 2 Thes. 1:7-10; 2 Peter ch.3]
#2 and that determined [see Dan. 9:24, about the six works of God for the **remaining 3.5 years of the 70th week] shall be POURED [out] upon the desolate [the repentant believers] see Acts 2:17.
YES indeed! The COMING of the Holy Spirit of God TO EACH repentant believer has been poured out, ever since Pentecost and even unto this day.

 

[Brakelite]

@Earburner
I notice that you didn't address the reasons I gave as to why Antiochus could not possibly be the little horn of either Daniel 7 or 8. The little horn of Daniel 7 for example has at least 10 specific criteria that can be applied to only one entity. There can be no other. There can be no multiple applicants to the job, and then be successful inheritors to the title. The little horn is an entity that demands specific detailed narrow and defined characteristics that rule out competition.
But there is a deeply held spiritual blindness to this. Christians have been hoodwinked into focusing on just one person, and refused to consider that they may be in error. They refuse to consider the possibility that there is anything or anyone who answers to the prophetic picture far better and more accurately than they currently see. The preterists juggle a couple of candidates, Nero or Antiochus, while the futurists have no clue, just some assumed Jew (whatever they are) to come over the horizon anytime and start blazing guns at the church. And both theories effectively hide the truth.

 

[Earburner]

@Earburner
I notice that you didn't address the reasons I gave as to why Antiochus could not possibly be the little horn of either Daniel 7 or 8. The little horn of Daniel 7 for example has at least 10 specific criteria that can be applied to only one entity. There can be no other. There can be no multiple applicants to the job, and then be successful inheritors to the title. The little horn is an entity that demands specific detailed narrow and defined characteristics that rule out competition.
But there is a deeply held spiritual blindness to this. Christians have been hoodwinked into focusing on just one person, and refused to consider that they may be in error. They refuse to consider the possibility that there is anything or anyone who answers to the prophetic picture far better and more accurately than they currently see. The preterists juggle a couple of candidates, Nero or Antiochus, while the futurists have no clue, just some assumed Jew (whatever they are) to come over the horizon anytime and start blazing guns at the church. And both theories effectively hide the truth.

No. I did read your reasoning of why you believe Antiochus lV can't be the "little horn". Unfortunately, I perceive that you have not done your own due diligence of historical study of 1&2 Maccabees with the prophecy of Daniel chs. 8,11 and 12.
That is why I went the distant in post #110 showing the details about Jesus and HIS 70th week.**
It is the  testimony of the scriptures by the testimony of the Holy Spirit, and not that of Religion and its own doctrinal speculations.

The majority of the denominations of church-ianity have corrupted their understanding of Dan. 9:24-27. They swallowed the "Kool-aid" of Scofield's lie by moving the 70th week out from the time of Daniel's vision (523 BC) into the far future of 2500+ years, so as to be fulfilled then at the end of time. (Does anyone understand how ludicrous and foolish Scofield's concept is?).
Therefore, THAT IS WHY most all of the churches have been looking for a "one man band, miracle man" that THEY foolishly call THE Antichrist.
Edit:
Even the SDAs have been at Scofield's "Kool-aid" bar, unknowingly drinking up on his lying doctrines. But instead of a secular Antichrist, they have fabricated a religious Antichrist. They call him to be the Pope.

**Note:
The OT. prophetic scriptures testify of Jesus!!
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John.15[26] But when the Comforter is come, [since Pentecost] whom I will send [to come] unto you [each yourself] from the Father, even the Spirit of truth ["the Spirit of Christ"- Rom. 8:9], which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

[Brakelite]

The Vatican has always been a part of the evil in the world, just as She is Evil.

However, the MoB is a Worldwide Digital Currency by which you must receive in your body the technology that enables you to access and thus be able to continue in daily commerce = buying and selling.

Trump is part of it, as are the other world powers/leaders.

The Covid Vaxx is a precursor and is for conditioning the people as well as killing people thru "Emergency Health Care"

You fellas aren't getting it. The mark is about worship. It's about who you worship, how you worship, and whose authority you subject yourself to. Finance, and the controls they are implementing, is merely a tool being used by the powers who oppose your faith to coerce you into obedience to their laws on spirituality. This world is run by the devil. The governments of this world are mere tools of his in order to oppose Christ, subjecting Christians to his standards of worship and to his authority. Worship is referenced 4 times in Revelation 13, and 3 times in Revelation 14, the chapters that specifically speak of the context of the mark. The mark is a false legalistic worship. A legalistic legislative requirement that the world willingly accepts and embraces: a rejection of the seal of God by the holy Spirit, and an acceptance of the mark of the beast in its place. The buy and sell issue is an incentive to conformity to the mark. Not the mark itself.
In direct contradistinction to those who accept the mark, it is said that those who refused the mark are obeying God's commandments. There is nothing in the scriptures, particularly in the law of God, that requires anyone to carry out his personal financial life in accordance to God's instructions. Bury there is a great deal associated with God's commandments that directly and indirectly connect to do you worship, and whose authority you are surrendered to in relation to that worship.

 

[Brakelite]

Of course, down through the centuries many have come and gone declaring the MoB in their generation, and of course we will do the same. Does that make all before us to be false prophets? No, not at all!! They simply were doing what Jesus commanded for all to do:
Mark 13
[35] Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[36] Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[37] And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

So then, if we are watching in the Spirit of Christ, we shall surely see what shall be revealed about the MoB. If it be in OUR generation we shall not miss it, and therefore by God's Grace and protective watch over us, we shall be able to AVOID it.

As with all who do watch as Jesus commanded, I too have an understanding for that segment of time.
It may be that we are in the beginning stages of it at this very moment, as satan continues to make it manifest for his purposes, not realizing that he is actually churning out the will of God against this world, in order for God to deliver His saints, for it will indeed "SEPARATE the sheep from the goats".
Rev. 13:17 is an Economic situation, NOT a religious one!!

Rev. 13[17] And that no man might buy or sell,
1. save he that had the mark, or
2. the name of the beast, or
3. the number of his name.

1. The mark: personal digital ID for individuals in the form of an invisible tattoo.
2. The name: Is for all governments and their financial affairs.
3. The number: Is the "bar code" for wholesale and retail businesses.

Rev. 15
[2] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and THEM that had gotten the VICTORY
over the beast, and
over his image, and
over his mark, and
over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. ”
Revelation 13:18 KJV

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“6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
In contrast...
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
Revelation 14:6-12 KJV

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The mark of the beast is all about worship, and whose authority you are submitted to.

 

[Brakelite]

All that's needed to complete the condition of AADS , Anti-America Derangement Syndrome is for ATDS to come out as such people insist President Trump is the Beast.

Meanwhile, it would behoove many to learn what the UN cannot do.


The United Nations Command (UNC) does not have the authority to command citizens of other countries to obey its rulings, as it primarily operates under the mandates of the UN Security Council and focuses on military and diplomatic efforts, particularly in relation to the Korean Peninsula. Its effectiveness relies on the cooperation of member states and their respective governments.

https://www.unc.mil/Resources/FAQs/

Many nations have signed agreements with the UN, voluntarily surrendering their sovereignty, particularly in matters of health and independent authority in implementing mandates etc.

 

[Earburner]

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. ”
Revelation 13:18 KJV

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“6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
In contrast...
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
Revelation 14:6-12 KJV

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The mark of the beast is all about worship, and whose authority you are submitted to.

Let's keep it simple.
God calls all to worship Him through faith in His Son's shed blood for their sins.
All who do not worship God in the manner that He has ordained, is being non-compliant to the will of God.
The same applies to the Beast. All who wish to "buy and sell" must take the mark of the beast. To refuse the mark of the Beast is to be non-compliant to the will of the Beast.
Worship = Compliance

 

[Earburner]

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. ”
Revelation 13:18 KJV

The KJV Rev. 13:18 says: "here is wisdom".

It's a clue to 1 Kings 10:13-15 to see the "number" that the "wisest" "man", king Solomon, had to deal with. It was 666 talents of gold. Gold today is in the form of fiat** currency
666 talents of gold came to Solomon in a period of one year through the government of the Queen of Sheba.

Please research what Universal Basic Income (UBI) is all about, if there was a Global Economic collapse.
Paper money today is fiat for gold. In the very near future, it's going to be invisible Digital money, thus requiring a Digital ID to access one's own Bank account(s).

**Note:

Fiat - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

You might think a fiat is just an Italian car, but it actually means a legal, authoritative decision that has absolute sanction.

www.vocabulary.com

 

[David in NJ]

You fellas aren't getting it. The mark is about worship. It's about who you worship, how you worship, and whose authority you subject yourself to. Finance, and the controls they are implementing, is merely a tool being used by the powers who oppose your faith to coerce you into obedience to their laws on spirituality. This world is run by the devil. The governments of this world are mere tools of his in order to oppose Christ, subjecting Christians to his standards of worship and to his authority. Worship is referenced 4 times in Revelation 13, and 3 times in Revelation 14, the chapters that specifically speak of the context of the mark. The mark is a false legalistic worship. A legalistic legislative requirement that the world willingly accepts and embraces: a rejection of the seal of God by the holy Spirit, and an acceptance of the mark of the beast in its place. The buy and sell issue is an incentive to conformity to the mark. Not the mark itself.
In direct contradistinction to those who accept the mark, it is said that those who refused the mark are obeying God's commandments. There is nothing in the scriptures, particularly in the law of God, that requires anyone to carry out his personal financial life in accordance to God's instructions. Bury there is a great deal associated with God's commandments that directly and indirectly connect to do you worship, and whose authority you are surrendered to in relation to that worship.

SDA is always trying to make the Mark connected to sunday worship............FAIL

There is nothing in the scriptures, particularly in the law of God, that requires anyone to carry out his personal financial life in accordance to God's instructions.

Sure there is = Jesus said so, many times

@Brakelite and @BarneyFife and @quietthinker

i read OT scripture the other day
Do you remember when you guys said that we MUST keep the Big TEN commandments

Well you better read again Deuteronomy and then read the Gospel again and again, while earnestly praying to the LORD of the Sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

SDA is always trying to make the Mark connected to sunday worship............FAIL


Sure there is = Jesus said so, many times

@Brakelite and @BarneyFife and @quietthinker

i read OT scripture the other day
Do you remember when you guys said that we MUST keep the Big TEN commandments

Well you better read again Deuteronomy and then read the Gospel again and again, while earnestly praying to the LORD of the Sabbath.

Mmmm. So... The most dire warning in scripture against sin and disobedience and false worship and idolatry is focused on the ultimate evil of getting a tattoo/credit/debit mark?

 

[pandaflower]

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