Gun control vs. Shooter control

[Webers_Home]

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It's ironic that the majority of America's adults have a constitutional right to
bear arms. And gun sales have skyrocketed in the past decade. But when
demented males show up at malls, and churches, and schools, and movie
theaters, and fast food restaurants; and start executing people at random:
who's shooting back at them? Nobody is shooting back at them and that's
because people's guns are at home, where the likelihood of ever needing
them for the defense of life and/or property is highly unlikely.

In other words; we don't need to take guns away from America's armed
citizens. On the contrary, we need to encourage America's armed citizens to
carry their guns with them when they leave the relative safety of their
homes if we're ever to have any hope of curtailing mad men.

An excellent non-lethal alternative to a gun is bear spray. Now don't confuse
bear spray with pepper spray. Bear spray doesn't squirt a puny little stream
of liquid. It's formulated to set up a cloud of nasty mist between you and the
bear. You don't have to be close to the bear for it to work either as bear spray
propellents are strong and can shoot up to twenty feet whereas you have to be
up close and personal to use pepper spray.

Another benefit is that you don't have to hit a bear in the eyes in order for
bear spray to be effective. All you have to do is generate a cloud of mist
between you and the bear and it will not come through it to get you; and
neither will a demented man with a gun. The stuff is really potent.

I accidentally released just a tiny little puff in my family room and could not go
in there to open a window without a half-mask industrial respirator fitted with a
chemical filter. It literally strangled my windpipe and made me gag and choke;
and the mist lingered too. If a teacher were to fog a hallway with that stuff, I
guarantee you no shooter, no matter how deranged, would come through it
to their classroom. And if he's already in the room, one hefty shot of that stuff in
his direction will force him to exit pronto and the only danger to the kids will be
temporary coughing and gagging which as a trade-off is a whole lot better than
bullet wounds.

Buen Camino
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[tgwprophet]

You wrote: " If a teacher were to fog a hallway with that stuff, I guarantee you no shooter, no matter how deranged, would come through it to their classroom. "

And what would it do to the children? Imagine the law suits. Wasp and Hornet spray is more effective. But a person with a gun can still shoot and would probably be even more willing to do so at anything or any direction.

 

[Webers_Home]

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terry, on 24 Dec 2012 - 04:20, said : Imagine the law suits

My wife is a kindergarten teacher. All the doors in her school building are
secure except for the one up by the front office. She and all the other
teachers feel like sitting ducks because they are not allowed to bring any
kind of weapon in the building for self defense, not even so much as a Swiss
Army pocket knife.

She likes the idea of bear spray but would need District approval; which is
not likely to happen because the District is more concerned about lawsuits
than gunmen. In other words; the District prefers to sacrifice the lives of
teachers and children rather than be held responsible for even one allergic
child's adverse reaction to a chemical that one of the staff brought to school
with them. What can I say; money talks: even louder than children's safety
these days; but I cannot imagine any parent in their right mind suing a
school for making their child sick with bear spray if it succeeding in
preventing their child taking an assassin's bullet. Don't you agree that a
normal mother's heart would much prefer their baby be sick rather than
dead? Well; maybe you don't; I don't know. Some of the people I encounter
online are pretty strange sometimes.

Jesus once said that a strong man armed; keepeth his goods. Well; I can't
help but think that a secure school staffed with armed security can
accomplish the very same thing for America's children; but Mr. Obama has
allotted little, if any, of his budget towards school security. Thus districts--
already pinching pennies to survive --will likely not implement card-lock
doors and armed security in their schools unless the President mans-up and
accepts his responsibility to provide for domestic tranquility because in case
he hasn't noticed; Mr. Obama has a national emergency boiling over on his
watch. He's sending billions of dollars out of the country in foreign aid while
seemingly indifferent that his own country's children have become clay
pigeons.

Something that's curious to me is that America's top law makers don't know
what to do about the on-going proliferation of demented gunmen. They're
literally desperate for viable ideas. They're very good at bailing out Wall
Street and the auto industry; but totally inept at remedying America's social
ills. Meanwhile; there's a fanatical element out there clamoring for an end to
gun violence; but who out there is clamoring for an end to violent gunmen?
Nobody; because so-called gun violence isn't really a gun problem; it's a
gunman problem and the government hasn't a clue what to do about it; not
even shrinks and therapists know what to do about it.

One thing I would say to the gun haters is: you better get used to mass
murders because demented gunmen don't need an assault rifle for their
purpose. Any number of semi-automatic hand guns are just as effective, and
so are a good number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns: even
shotguns used in trap and skeet are lethal at close range. And the killers
don't need heavy-weight calibers. John Hinckley Jr. almost succeeded in
terminating President Reagan with a pipsqueak little .22 bullet.

While the press has been busy making it their mission in life to demonize
the NRA and law-abiding gun owners; they are, in the meanwhile, failing to
look into the number of demented gunmen out there who have a history of
psychotropic medication; which some were put on as early as kindergarten.
It's not the illegal drugs in my country that concern me; no, it's the legal ones
that are making me nervous. America has become a drug culture in more
ways than one and I honestly think we're beginning to see the long term
effects of psychotropic medications in the proliferation of all types of violence.
We should all be on Pennsylvania Ave with placards that read: Stop The
Psychotropic Violence. But it would probably be futile since the pharmaceutical
industry owns Washington; plus there are just too many people in America
dependent upon those kinds of medications to put a stop to them now.

NOTE : near the end of the book of Revelation is a group of people
condemned as sorcerers. Funny thing is: we get the English word pharmacist
from the very same Greek word for sorcerers.

Buen Camino
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[tgwprophet]

Webers_Home wrote: " but I cannot imagine any parent in their right mind suing a school for making their child sick with bear spray if it succeeding in preventing their child taking an assassin's bullet. "

So you think an opportunity for a parent to become rich through a lawsuit would not happen? I agree with you that it should not happen, but I understand it certainly would happen. I also am in agreement with the rest of you post. Is it illegal to have wasp spray in a classroom?

Although I am on the side of Americans right to own guns, I also feel the best defense against these maniacs is to not only allow God back in the schools but to put God in control.

 

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I posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating here. (Excellent post on the bear spray, BTW)

See Warren v. District of Columbia 1981

Supreme Court ruled that law enforcement officers were not obligated to defend citizens.

Bottom line here is that the obligation for LEOs is to document the crime and perform preliminary investigation on the circumstances.
Crime clean up, basically.

Self-defense is the duty and task of the citizen.

In other words, you're on your own baby.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[pompadour]

Webers-home. I Was not familiar with how effective bear spray is, maybe something to add to my bag of tricks, But I would not be in Bear country with out my 40 cal.
Pomp.

 

[tgwprophet]

I posted this elsewhere but will do so here also. Wasp and Hornet spray is more effective - even on Bears. However, without medical treatment blindness will occur so please use bear spray on a bear. But... it is not illegal to have wasp and hornet spray in a classroom but, please keep it out of the reach of children. This spray can shoots out about 20 feet and contans allot more by volume than a small thing of bear spray. Any person hit by it will need medical treatment to stop blindness.