Hamas has attacked Israel with 5000 rockets, 100 dead Israelis. Israel and Hamas now at war

[Scott Downey]

I recommend that Jesus was a Judahite from Judea for the tribe of Judah, not a Jew. He was called the King of the Judeans by the Romans not 'King of the Jews' as many think incorrectly.

The reason why, it causes confusion today. Because today this name 'Jew' a constricted word for a Judahite has been hijacked to a new meaning, to mean these Khazarians or the Ashkenazi Jew from the Black Sea region, to many. Jesus was never a Khazarian and from these tribes they came from.

How then can Christ say,
John 4:22
You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[APAK]

To All who deny that a remnant of the 12 tribes of the Israelites still exist: You must deny this following passage ( or distort it as something symbolic) as a literal event that will soon take place just prior to, in the beginning of, or during the time period known as the Great Tribulation. This event surely refers to at least a partial remnant mentioned in Romans 11:26 "all Israel will be saved".
There is a clear distinction in Romans 11 that Paul makes between himself, an Israelite from the Tribe of Benjamin and the Gentiles who were grafted in.
as we look at the multitude in heaven on verse 9 (a separate vision from those sealed _ on earth) of this following passage, we see the Church, a number that no one can count, billions. Two separate groups, one on earth alive and another in heaven.


4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"
Rev. 7:4-9

FYI. There is nothing symbolic about these numbers, tribes or their sealing by the Holy Spirit. Symbolic language never identifies real names of tribes. A specific number 144k is sealed on earth for a specific task on earth ( before any destruction occurs from the First Four Seals that have just been opened). And they are clearly physically separate from the multitude in heaven, but of course now, they are in the Body of Christ.
This whole chapter is not in a chronological sequence that occurs after the 4 Seals events have engaged, but a parenthetical clause, intended as a prerequisite. They are sealed before the destruction occurs. As one examines the destruction of the Four Riders of Horses of the Apolcaplyse, we see devastating results, 25% of the population destroyed. That's two billion! So obviously, these 144k are sealed before that.

And Ron the question for you and anyone else thinking of what you said here is this, Romans 11:26, when do you think this happened, is happening now, or will happen in the future? My choice and in context of how scripture is written is that it already happened. The remnant of Judahites were already saved as intended, and were saved as Christians in other nations, the decades after the Day of Pentecost and by 70 AD and even a generation or so later..

And in the previous verse, Romans 11:25, it should not be an obstacle to this conclusion and condition as I read that ALL non-Judahite nations abroad, in the known world at that time were sent the gospel within a generation or so, and in this process so were the remnant of Israel all saved.

If you try and make a future spin about the full number of nations and peoples being 'Christianized' way into the 21st century and beyond, that would be out of bounds in what Paul was teaching. He would never leave that important issue and condition hanging out there for someone to understand centuries later .He meant within his generation and maybe a couple later, not more.

The time frame for full number of saved is for a near future timeframe of Paul's generation, and when the remnant of Jews would be saved. It does mean 50 generations into his future. Where can you get that indication from Paul's writing, anyway?

I take the conservative view in these issues and what I read in scripture. I try to read the author and his audience, well.

What they would be thinking and how Paul would communicate it to them as a simple people, not as a modern day 21st century reader.

 

[mailmandan]

And is there any justification for Israel bombing innocent Palestine's?

In any war there will be casualties. Israel warned them to leave Gaza. You can't expect Israel to just sit back and do nothing after an attack like that.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God​

18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Glory Only in the Lord​

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

 

[APAK]

How then can Christ say,
John 4:22
You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

That's an easy explanation Scott.

(Joh 4:22) You worship that which you do not know. We worship what we know. For salvation is from the Jews.

The word 'Jew(s)' should never have been placed in scripture, and Jesus I assure you never used that word 'Jew(s).' He most probably spoke in Aramaic and even in the Greek there is no such word as Jew(s). Judahites equiv. is what he said in scripture. Or Yahudiym.

(Joh 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for yeshu`ah is of the Yahudiym. (Cepher) The Judahites!!

 

[Johann]

In any war there will be casualties. Israel warned them to leave Gaza. You can't expect Israel to just sit back and do nothing after an attack like that.

I am ashamed to call myself a Christian.

 

[Jack]

I think Hamas has puppets here.

 

[Scott Downey]

That's an easy explanation Scott.

(Joh 4:22) You worship that which you do not know. We worship what we know. For salvation is from the Jews.

The word 'Jew(s)' should never have been placed in scripture, and Jesus I assure you never used that word 'Jew(s).' He most probably spoke in Aramaic and even in the Greek there is no such word as Jew(s). Judahites equiv. is what he said in scripture. Or Yahudiym.

(Joh 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for yeshu`ah is of the Yahudiym. (Cepher) The Judahites!!

G2453 - ioudaios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G2453 - Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaîos, ee-oo-dah'-yos; from (in the sense of as a country); Judæan, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:—Jew(-ess), of Judæa.

www.blueletterbible.org

Salvation is of the jews, the word jew
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 3:356,372
Trench's Synonyms: xxxix. Ἑβραῖος, Ἰουδαῖος, Ἰσραηλίτης.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 196x
The KJV translates Strong's G2453 in the following manner: Jew (193x), of Judea (1x), Jewess (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation
2. Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion

that same word is translated as Jew, Judah, Jewess, people of Judea

Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaîos, ee-oo-dah'-yos; from G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); Judæan, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:—Jew(-ess), of Judæa.
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Christ was born the son of Mary and Joseph, who were of the house of David, and they were known as of the jews.

Was Abraham Jewish? - Christian Questions Bible Podcast

Abraham is a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. Although he was Hebrew, he was neither Jew nor Arab.

christianquestions.com

Christ’s Birth Announced to Mary​

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; [e]blessed are you among women!”

29 But [f]when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

 

[Johann]

I think Hamas has puppets here.

Yeah? Why do you name them?

 

[APAK]

I re

G2453 - ioudaios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G2453 - Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaîos, ee-oo-dah'-yos; from (in the sense of as a country); Judæan, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:—Jew(-ess), of Judæa.

www.blueletterbible.org

Salvation is of the jews, the word jew
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 3:356,372
Trench's Synonyms: xxxix. Ἑβραῖος, Ἰουδαῖος, Ἰσραηλίτης.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 196x
The KJV translates Strong's G2453 in the following manner: Jew (193x), of Judea (1x), Jewess (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation
2. Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion

that same word is translated as Jew, Judah, Jewess, people of Judea

Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaîos, ee-oo-dah'-yos; from G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); Judæan, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:—Jew(-ess), of Judæa.
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Christ was born the son of Mary and Joseph, who were of the house of David, and they were known as of the jews.

Was Abraham Jewish? - Christian Questions Bible Podcast

Abraham is a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. Although he was Hebrew, he was neither Jew nor Arab.

christianquestions.com

Christ’s Birth Announced to Mary​

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; [e]blessed are you among women!”

29 But [f]when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

I recommend you do not take the bait of these false teachers and sources....just my opinion. Do as you believe that is just and truthful...again, the jews are not in the original text of scripture anyway.....I really do not want to write a lengthy text on this subject. as I might have to get my cheat sheet because I'm a little low on energy right now,

And the KJV villain was a key translation as used in their scriptures 'Iews' not Jews that started all this confusion....

 

[Scott Downey]

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I recommend you do not take the bait of these false teachers and sources....just my opinion. Do as you believe that is just and truthful...again, the jews are not in the original text of scripture anyway.....I really do not want to write a lengthy text on this subject. as I might have to get my cheat sheet because I'm a little low on energy right now,

And the KJV villain was a key translation as used in their scriptures 'Iews' not Jews that started all this confusion....

Every English version of the bible uses the word 'jew' in that verse, look and see.
You want to write your own version ?

Whil the word 'jew' has a lot of negativities in scriptures, seeing the association with unbelief, and often in opposition to Christ and the gospel, it is not universally that way.

John 4:22 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Jack]

Yeah? Why do you name them?

They name themselves every time they are silent on the Satanic attack on Israel.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul's lineage is Jewish being a pharisee
He does however consider all of that as worthless compared to Knowing Christ the Lord
Philippians 3
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship [a]God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain[b] to the resurrection from the dead.

Pressing Toward the Goal​

12 Not that I have already attained,[c] or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have [d]apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.

 

[Johann]

They name themselves every time they are silent on the Satanic attack on Israel.

And what about the innocent lives of Pakistan's, babies and children-you think it is justifiable to eradicate them?

 

[APAK]

Every English version of the bible uses the word 'jew' in that verse, look and see.
You want to write your own version ?

Whil the word 'jew' has a lot of negativities in scriptures, seeing the association with unbelief, and often in opposition to Christ and the gospel, it is not universally that way.

John 4:22 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

Before making a hasty conclusion listen what I said once more maybe this way will help:

The originals texts of scripture never had 'Iew(es)' or 'Jew(s)'. Now the sources you bring and more I guess may be on their ways is not telling you what I'm saying.

Thee word (Y)Judahite was altered to a constricted form, at least in the Middle English, as it read 'Iew' as in the first KJV. Then when the English language changed, codified the 'I' became a 'J' and Jew was the new symbol word for those living in Christ's time and before.

So far so good?

Now this is the rub that most of these sources you show do not tell you. The word Jew then took another a new modern meaning, the meaning for these Ashkenazi or Khazarian people now calling themselves the Jews and may ignorance Christians in the process.

You see the deception here. The real Judahites/Jews now equals the impersonator of them.

So, if you see Jew in scripture you MUST recognize that this means those in Christ's time and before, AND NOT these self-styled Jews who are not real Jews of today.

This is the warning I'm preaching here and your sources will ignore such comments as either bogus or irrelevant or ignore it altogether.

I really cannot make it clearer than this.

So if anyone is making their own scripture either out of ignorance or deliberate deception it is those English translated Bibles that came out in the early 1600s and on. Did you know that in the German translation of scripture they do not use Jew, they use Jude that is a constricted form of Judahite. Can you see why. They understand the real symbol meaning of those living in Judea.

just saying.....

 

[Jack]

And what about the innocent lives of Pakistan's, babies and children-you think it is justifiable to eradicate them?

So you support Hamas murdering and raping Iraelis!

 

[Scott Downey]

Before making a hasty conclusion listen what I said once more maybe this way will help:

The originals texts of scripture never had 'Iew(es)' or 'Jew(s)'. Now the sources you bring and more I guess may be on their ways is not telling you what I'm saying.

Thee word (Y)Judahite was altered to a constricted form, at least in the Middle English, as it read 'Iew' as in the first KJV. Then when the English language changed, codified the 'I' became a 'J' and Jew was the new symbol word for those living in Christ's time and before.

So far so good?

Now this is the rub that most of these sources you show do not tell you. The word Jew then took another a new modern meaning, the meaning for these Ashkenazi or Khazarian people now calling themselves the Jews and may ignorance Christians in the process.

You see the deception here. The real Judahites/Jews now equals the impersonator of them.

So, if you see Jew in scripture you MUST recognize that this means those in Christ's time and before, AND NOT these self-styled Jews who are not real Jews of today.

This is the warning I'm preaching here and your sources will ignore such comments as either bogus or irrelevant or ignore it altogether.

I really cannot make it clearer than this.

So if anyone is making their own scripture either out of ignorance or deliberate deception it is those English translated Bibles that came out in the early 1600s and on. Did you know that in the German translation of scripture they do not use Jew, they use Jude that is a constricted form of Judahite. Can you see why. They understand the real symbol meaning of those living in Judea.

just saying.....

Romans 9, Paul's countrymen? They were the Jewish nation, of whom Christ came.

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

 

[Johann]

So you support Hamas murdering and raping Iraelis!

Did I say that? I condemn Hamas just as I condemn the bombing of innocent babies and youth of the Palestinians by Israel.
I am pro-Christ.

 

[Jack]

Did I say that? I condemn Hamas just as I condemn the bombing of innocent babies and youth of the Pakistanis by Israel.
I am pro-Christ.

Christians defend Israel!

 

[Johann]

Christians defend Israel!