Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?

[Behold]

Well here ya go.....I never said that and I do not have any patience for dirt stupid....on ignore you go

@Grailhunter wrote.

Call these visitations and events just something. But if you call her demonic or these events demonic.... you might find yourself damned on Judgment Day. Just becareful my friends.""""

 

[CadyandZoe]

Actually, you dont choose "orthodox religions" as your "faith".

You Choose to believe in Jesus, as your Faith.

So, when a person chooses the "cult of mary" or "the baptist church" or "the mormon church".....they are choosing a Denomination, not a "faith".

Okay, I agree. However, I am referring to new believers who are just beginning their journey. There is a hunger and thirst for reliable sources of truth as people start to awaken to the presence of a deceptive spirit at work in the world. These new believers will need our patience and guidance as they mature in the faith. From the perspective of a new believer, Orthodox religions appear to be a place of safety. But I trust that the Holy Spirit will guide them to the truth.

 

[Behold]

The Bible is full of wives….

The bible is also full of Jews, are you one?

Listen, "context" is everything Mr Theologian..... regarding not just understanding verses, but teachig them........and the context of Marriage, began in Gen, with one man and one woman who created a family unit.

In the NT Church........ marriage has not changed.
Its not different for a NT christian, then it was for Mary and Joseph.
There was a wedding ceremony, and after Jesus was born, there was a consumation of their VOW.

 

[Behold]

Okay, I agree. However, I am referring to new believers who are just beginning their journey. There is a hunger and thirst for reliable sources of truth

Yes.

And its during this critical period with the new convert is "wide eyed" and wanting more of God, that Satan brings them a cult member.

This is why what Hebrews 13:9 teaches has to be the heart of a new believer, as otherwise the 2nd part of that verse, is going to happen to them, every single time.

 

[Mink57]

Catholic "Relics" are not ashes of the dead........they are literal body parts, in many cases.
Organs.......skin.......and more.
There is a huge collection of dead body parts, in the Vatican.

"body parts'..........

Understand?

And yet some cultures do the same thing. Yet, I don't hear you complaining about that.

No CHRISTIAN is going to keep a body part of their deceased relative......

I DO understand, but the RCC isn't telling individuals to keep "body parts". I understand that some saints lay as incorruptible. To me, that's somewhat miraculous.

It does not matter what you do with the info, as you are lost in Catholic Cult Tradition.
So, im writing to you, for the benefit of some of these Members, who had NO IDEA what your cult teaches, and does, and worships, and proclaims.

You don't know what the RCC teaches, either. As long as you make the claim that the RCC teaches us to "worship" Mary (or any other saint), you're given to false understanding about what the RCC actually teaches.

The true understanding of how the bible is viewd by the cult of mary, is simple.
It teaches that the bible is "incomplete" and so, the Cathoic leadership......adds to the bible, whatever they dream up next about Mary, for example to "complete it".

The Catholic "leadership" has in NO WAY added to the bible. However, it was the Protestants who removed books from the bible that had been part of the bible for over 1000 years.

Have you even looked into a Catholic bible? Have you compared a Catholic bible to a KJV? And compared BOTH versions to the original languages?

Have you looked into and read the Catholic Catechism? How about the Summa Theologica by St. Augustine? How about the Summa contra Gentiles by the same author?

There is nothing in a NT, written by Paul or Peter, or James, or any apostle..... that elevates Mary to the position of authority that you find as "cult of mary" doctrine.

You're right! Not disputing that. Nothing in the NT says that. Then again, the NT doesn't say a LOT of things AND, the RCC doesn't limit herself to ONLY the bible KNOWING that not everything about everything is IN the bible.

The Gospel says....>"Mary is blessed among women" and the "cult of Mary" redefined this as Blessed above them, as "co-author" of Salvation.
You will never find an Apostle "praying to mary" or "praying to a saint" or even suggesting it, as this is all man made "cult of mary" religious nonsense.

The Gospel DOES say that Mary is "blessed among women." That plus she gave birth to our Savior automatically elevates her to a 'higher' position.

The Apostles never "prayed to Mary" because Mary was still alive at the time. Also, let's not forget that even though Jesus had no problem with women, the Apostles sure did! Consider their attitude when the women went to them telling them that 'Christ is risen'. (paraphrasing).

Think about it.

 

[Mink57]

You certainly sound like a "Theologian". @Grailhunter
Its good to see the real you, show up.
The members have noticed.

Listen... this is what you wrote to ME..

@Grailhunter ..

"""I am warning about calling the mother of Yeshua a demon."""""

So, you are warning me, as you posted that to ME, little one.... and i never said that Mary was a demon or has one.
Mary was in reality, a 14 yr old Jewish Girl........whom God graced as the Mother of Jesus.
This obvioulsy makes her special......but at the same time, she was a sinner needing the Gift of Salvation, that Jesus provides to everyone from The Cross., ... one believer at a time.

That's interesting that you say that "Mary was in reality a 14 year old Jewish Girl". And yet NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE is Mary's age disclosed.

So, how did you come up with that?

 

[Mink57]

Okay, I agree. However, I am referring to new believers who are just beginning their journey. There is a hunger and thirst for reliable sources of truth as people start to awaken to the presence of a deceptive spirit at work in the world. These new believers will need our patience and guidance as they mature in the faith. From the perspective of a new believer, Orthodox religions appear to be a place of safety. But I trust that the Holy Spirit will guide them to the truth.

How can these new believers rely on 'our' patience and guidance' if *we* can't even agree?

 

[Mink57]

The bible is also full of Jews, are you one?

Listen, "context" is everything Mr Theologian..... regarding not just understanding verses, but teachig them........and the context of Marriage, began in Gen, with one man and one woman who created a family unit.

What's interesting for me about that, is that I agree that yes...in Genesis, marriage began with ONE man and ONE woman. However, Genesis also says that a MAN "leaves his mother and father, and cleaves unto his wife". And yet, we seem to practice it as, a woman shall leave HER mother and father and cleave unto her husband.

Hmmmm....

In the NT Church........ marriage has not changed.
Its not different for a NT christian, then it was for Mary and Joseph.
There was a wedding ceremony, and after Jesus was born, there was a consumation of their VOW.

Actually, marriage HAS changed quite a bit since the NT.

 

[CadyandZoe]

How can these new believers rely on 'our' patience and guidance' if *we* can't even agree?

Well, I am confident that their salvation doesn't depend on me. I am pleased and honored whenever God allows me to participate, but it doesn't depend on me or my patient attitude. However, I believe that my patience is always a valuable asset and always welcome.

 

[David in NJ]

I get the impression that it has. They are very defensive about questioning Catholic doctrine.

All christian websites are infiltrated by the RCC, by jws and many false doctrines.

The RCC and it's adherents are of the same mindset as jws, mormons and Islam = multiply, invade with inaccurate/untruthful claims of God and conquer.

 

[David in NJ]

What's interesting for me about that, is that I agree that yes...in Genesis, marriage began with ONE man and ONE woman. However, Genesis also says that a MAN "leaves his mother and father, and cleaves unto his wife". And yet, we seem to practice it as, a woman shall leave HER mother and father and cleave unto her husband.

Hmmmm....

Actually, marriage HAS changed quite a bit since the NT.

Genesis also says that a MAN "leaves his mother and father, and cleaves unto his wife". And yet, we seem to practice it as, a woman shall leave HER mother and father and cleave unto her husband.

BOTH are True and at the same time.

The first one is a PROPHECY
The second one is also a PROPHECY
"Together they are no longer two but become one"

 

[Grailhunter]

What's interesting for me about that, is that I agree that yes...in Genesis, marriage began with ONE man and ONE woman.

Because there was only one man and one woman available.

 

[Dash RipRock]

The RCC and it's adherents are of the same mindset as jws, mormons and Islam = multiply, invade with inaccurate/untruthful claims of God and conquer.

This is true and those with no foundation in God's Word will fall prey to their deceptions and will be lost.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Claim: The Catholic Church teaches things that are unbiblical or in direct contradiction to Jesus.

Response: “Really — half?? Can you back that up with actual facts?”
Absolutely. Let’s go fact by fact.
Unbiblical Catholic Teachings (Backed by Scripture)

1. Calling Priests “Father”
Catholic Practice: Priests are called “Father.”
Jesus’ Teaching:
“And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.” — Matthew 23:9
Direct contradiction.

What a perverted understanding of Scripture.

In Matt. 23:8-9, is Jesus telling us that we can’t call certain people "fathers" or “teachers” when they may actually be fathers or teachers? Absolutely NOT. He is telling us that no man is to be considered father or teacher ABOVE our Father and Teacher in heaven. All we need to do is read the Bible in CONTEXT:

Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
Paul speaks of "our father Isaac” (Rom. 9:10).
Paul writes, "For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
Paul tells Timothy, "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
Paul says, "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11).
Paul states, "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28).

2. The Immaculate Conception of Mary
Catholic Teaching: Mary was conceived without original sin.
Biblical Teaching:
“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” — Romans 3:23
“None is righteous, no, not one.” — Romans 3:10
There is zero biblical support for this doctrine — it was officially invented in 1854.

WRONG.

The Greek word is kecharitomene that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with a permanent result. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” Kecharitomene is not a mere description here. It is used as a title – a name.
To be completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with grace indicates completed sanctification

The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.” He said, “Hail, Kecharitomene.”
NO other person in ALL of Scripture is addressed as “Kecharitomene”. . .

3. Prayers to Saints and Mary
Catholic Practice: Believers are told to pray to saints and to Mary for intercession.
Biblical Teaching:
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” — 1 Timothy 2:5
Praying to any other "mediator" violates that clear instruction.

WRONG again.

First of all – Jesus absolutely is out only mediator because only HE can bring peace between us and the Father. However, the Bible COMMANDS us to be mediators for one another (James 5:16, 1 John 5:16).
- Paul begins his letter to Timothy by asking (praying) for intercession from Timothy (1 Tim. 2:1).
- In Col. 6:3, He asks (prays) for prayers from his readers.
- 1 Cor. 12:21-22 emphatically says that, “The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I do not need you,’ nor again the head to the feet, ‘I do not need you.’ This passage speaks to the importance of ALL of the parts of the Body. We ask (pray) others pray for us.

The definition of the word “Pray” simply means “to ASK” – “to IMPLORE”:
Acts 27:34
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you."

 

[BreadOfLife]

continued . . .

4. The Pope as the “Vicar of Christ”
Catholic Claim: The Pope is the visible head of the Church and the “Vicar of Christ.”
Biblical Teaching:
“He [Christ] is the head of the body, the church.” — Colossians 1:18
No human shares that office — not Peter, not a Pope. Christ never delegates His headship.

Jesus absolutely IS the head of the Church – but He appointed Peter as prime minister, to build His Church (Matt. 16:16-18).
Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19).
- Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19).
- Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32).
- Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2)
- Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13)
- Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7)

This is NOT a coincidence, nor is it an accident . . .

5. Purgatory
Catholic Doctrine: Souls go to a place called purgatory to be cleansed of sins before entering heaven.
Biblical Teaching:
“The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.” — 1 John 1:7
“To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” — 2 Corinthians 5:8
No biblical support for a middle-place where believers suffer to “earn” purification.

Your understanding of the teaching of Purgatory (Final Purification) is as flawed and ignorant as the rest of your claims . . .

Purgatory is not a “place”, but a process. In 1 Cor. 3:10-15, this is how the process is described:
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day (judgment) will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire."

- This cannot be Heaven because the person will SUFFER‐and there is NO suffering in Heaven.
- This cannot be Hell because the person will be SAVED and there is NO salvation in Hell.
- This is describing a THIRD state – a state of Final Purification.

Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”

Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there IS purification after death for some.

Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.
Of you're going to attack the Catholic Church - at least TRY to do your homework . . .


to be continued . . .

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

continued . . .


Jesus absolutely IS the head of the Church – but He appointed Peter as prime minister, to build His Church (Matt. 16:16-18).
Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19).
- Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19).
- Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32).
- Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2)
- Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13)
- Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7)

This is NOT a coincidence, nor is it an accident . . .

Your understanding of the teaching of Purgatory (Final Purification) is as flawed and ignorant as the rest of your claims . . .

Purgatory is not a “place”, but a process. In 1 Cor. 3:10-15, this is how the process is described:
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day (judgment) will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire."

- This cannot be Heaven because the person will SUFFER‐and there is NO suffering in Heaven.
- This cannot be Hell because the person will be SAVED and there is NO salvation in Hell.
- This is describing a THIRD state – a state of Final Purification.

Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”

Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there IS purification after death for some.

Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.
Of you're going to attack the Catholic Church - at least TRY to do your homework . . .


to be continued . . .

Let’s make this clear upfront:

“Of course you can find verses that sound like they support Catholic doctrine — if you ignore context, redefine terms, and elevate tradition over Scripture.”

But when I say “unbiblical,” I don’t mean “you can’t find words that look similar.”
I mean: “The apostles didn’t teach it. Jesus didn’t command it. The early Church didn’t do it.”
That’s the bar. And Catholicism doesn’t meet it.

1. “Call no man father”

Your argument is like saying “don’t murder” doesn’t apply if you’re a soldier or a cop. Jesus is not condemning the use of the word “father” in every circumstance — He’s condemning religious titles used to elevate men above others. You don’t see Peter, Paul, or John calling each other “Father Peter” or “Father John.” Period.

And by the way — “our father Abraham” is a description of ancestral lineage, not a spiritual office title.

No apostle ever demanded to be addressed with titles.
Catholic priests do — and that’s the difference.


2. “Immaculate Conception”

Kecharitomene doesn’t mean “sinless.” It means “highly favored.”
Luke 1:28 doesn’t prove anything about Mary’s nature — it’s a greeting, not a doctrinal declaration of her conception.

If Mary was born sinless, Paul lied when he said, “ALL have sinned” (Rom 3:23).
And there’s zero mention of her being conceived without sin in the entire Bible.

The Immaculate Conception was invented in 1854, and no early Church Father taught it.
It’s a tradition — not a command from Christ or His apostles.


3. “Prayers to saints and Mary”

Praying to someone and asking a living believer to pray with you are not the same thing.

1 Timothy 2:5 says “one mediator.”
Not “many intercessors we talk to in heaven like a celestial call center.”

No apostle prayed to dead people.
No one in the early Church prayed to Mary.
Jesus never said to address anyone but the Father, in His name.


4. “Vicar of Christ” / Peter as Pope

Peter was a leader, yes — but the idea that he became a supreme pontiff with infallibility, universal jurisdiction, and a golden chair in Rome is pure fiction.

Jesus said “Call no man master…”
And yet Catholicism calls one man “Holy Father”, “Vicar of Christ”, “Infallible.”

That’s not biblical. That’s imperial church history dressed up as theology.
And for the record —
Jesus never called Peter the rock. He said:

“Upon this rock [confession] I will build my church.” — Matthew 16:18


5. Purgatory

The fire in 1 Cor. 3:13–15 is a metaphor for testing a person’s work, not burning off their sins. The person is saved — there’s no “process” described between death and salvation.

The blood of Jesus cleanses us from ALL sin. — 1 John 1:7

Not “most sin.”
Not “until you suffer first.”
All. Sin. Cleansed. By. Christ.

You can stack Greek terms, twist metaphors, and quote saints from the Middle Ages —
But if it wasn’t taught by Jesus,
wasn’t practiced by the apostles,
and isn’t in the Word of God,
then it’s tradition — and Christ warned about that:

“You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition.” — Matthew 15:6

 

[Behold]

And yet some cultures do the same thing. Yet, I don't hear you complaining about that.

Im fine with you comparing the Catholic Church wtih Pagan cultures & religions.
You should, as its accurate.
Good for you.

I DO understand, but the RCC isn't telling individuals to keep "body parts".

Who decides what Parish gets the next body part?
Do they draw straws, or flip a coin??
What if the Pope wants it for Himself?

You don't know what the RCC teaches, either. As long as you make the claim that the RCC teaches us to "worship" Mary (or any other saint), you're given to false understanding about what the RCC actually teaches.

What i told you is that if you take MARY out the "cult of Mary" = then this religious demoniation ends.
That would be a lot of used plastic statues of Mary that would be for sale.
You could get a big one.... @Mink57

The Catholic "leadership" has in NO WAY added to the bible. However, it was the Protestants who removed books from the bible that had been part of the bible for over 1000 years.

What i told you, is that the Catholic teaching is.....that "the bible is a work in progress", and so.... Catholic "fathers", theologians, create more that is considered EQUAL to the bible.
For example......the obsessive veneration of Mary, is an "add on""" to the bible.., as its not in any bible.

Have you even looked into a Catholic bible? Have you compared a Catholic bible to a KJV?

Im seminary trained, and that includes studies regarding "manuscript evidence" of "extant" texts.

So thats a yes.
I have looked into the Douay Rheims (Catholic bible) and its a Satanic bible.

the Summa Theologica by St. Augustine?

I avoid this "saint"....but there are others......like Francis, and Berndette, and Hidegard, and quite a few others....whose writings i have used and, in some cases they are quite a revelation.

But Jerome and St Augustine, i avoid.

Its interesting to note that Martin Luther was a Catholic "Tranlator" as was Jerome, and M. Luther noticed that Jerome was rewriting verses according to his own private theology, and this is the catalyst that caused Martin Luther to denounce the "cult of Mary" and begin the "protesting" against this cult, that became : "Protestant".

The Gospel DOES say that Mary is "blessed among women." That plus she gave birth to our Savior automatically elevates her to a 'higher' position.

The Apostles are "elevated". in the bible as well, but do you pray to them? ?
Oh thats right, the "cult of mary" has you doing that..
Have you burned any candles to Mary today? @Mink57

The Apostles never "prayed to Mary" because Mary was still alive at the time.

The Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John, about 50 yrs after Mary died.
Paul wrote all of his Epistles 10 - about 30 yrs after Mary died.
Both are dead SILENT on "praying to Mary" or venerating Mary, or even caring to be concerned about Mary.
= "ditto" all the other Apostles., in the NT.

Its the "cult of Mary" that obesses on the "mother of God"., as YOU know.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Let’s make this clear upfront:

“Of course you can find verses that sound like they support Catholic doctrine — if you ignore context, redefine terms, and elevate tradition over Scripture.”

Let’s make another thing clear upfront:

“Of course you can find verses that sound like they support Racism and hatred against Jews — if you ignore context, redefine terms, and elevate Nazi tradition over Scripture and continue following your boy Adolf”

 

[Behold]

MAN "leaves his mother and father, and cleaves unto his wife".

Yes, "WIFE"......that is one.

And to "cleave" means to "join"........which is "and two became One Flesh".......and that is a specific reference to the : "consumation of marriage"

= Sexual intercourse.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Let’s make another thing clear upfront:

“Of course you can find verses that sound like they support Racism and hatred against Jews — if you ignore context, redefine terms, and elevate Nazi tradition over Scripture and continue following your boy Adolf”

Wow. You just compared quoting Scripture in context to following Adolf Hitler?

That’s not a rebuttal — that’s a pathetic smear tactic from someone who’s clearly out of arguments and hiding behind emotional slander.

I don’t follow Adolf. I follow Jesus Christ — the Jewish Messiah.

And He said:

“No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6

If someone rejects Him — Jew or Gentile — they are outside the covenant.
That’s not racism. That’s the Gospel.

So unless you can show me chapter and verse,
spare me the drama and go cry into your Scofield Study Bible.