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  1. friend of

    friend of Active Member

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    I was reading through Galatians 3 and it says:

    Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

    So here's the thing... I believe I am born again and am indwelt with the Holy Spirit which compels me to try to mortify the deeds of the flesh and put my fleshly nature to death, as the bible instructs us in Romans 8:13.

    There is a certain private sin that is recurring (pm if you want to know) and whenever I slip up I always feel like a failure. When I have overcome other similar sins in the past I have felt a sense of accomplishment. But is it wrong to feel that progress is being made against the flesh? Am I focusing too much on my own abilities and not enough of God? What is the right mind to have towards our sanctification in this life?

    I fear lately I may be estimating my relationship with the Lord by how well I follow His commands and decrees, and we aren't supposed to do this because God is only satisfied with Christ's sacrifice and also we cannot make ourselves righteous in the Fathers sight by following the Law. Galatians 5:4Galatians 2:16 Romans 3:20. No one is righteous by their own effort. All our "good" works are as filthy rags, after all.

    My question is, in my adherence to the commandments, am I focusing too much on following the Law itself? Am I missing what it means to truly live a life governed and led by the Spirit? If so, what am I doing wrong and how can I change to make my life more focused and settled on the power of Christ's finished work? What am I supposed to do if not strive to obey Christs commands and admonitions against living in the flesh?

    What does it truly mean to "live by faith" ? Galatians 3:11
     
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  2. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    I can do no better than to direct you to the thread I was reading his morning...
    Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)

    At least read #1 , let it sink in...if you can, read #2 and #3

    Yes, you are looking too much at your performance rather than who you are in Christ...as the power of your love for Him grows you will not "feel" the condemnation that the Enemy reminds us of.
    We have all 'been there'...you are not alone. He will bring you through.

    We walk by faith, not by "feels like"... :)
    Faith in all that He is...so faith IN Him...not 'trying to' believe something.
    Take the eyes off of you, and keep them on Him ...you are washed...you are clean..it's just our feet get dusty as we walk it out down here.

    Let Him.

    Many blessings... Helen
     
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    @friend of
    Yes, our own works are as filthy rags, but when we have the Spirit willing and able to work inside of us, the works should be God's rather than our own alone.

    The difficulty for us is in not being willing to yield to the Holy Spirit within, but rather trying to figure it all out for ourselves and then following the pathway we have developed for ourselves. The old man still wants to take the lead in us and will... unless we stop quenching the Holy Spirit of God. When we get into the Spirit and stay in the Spirit we with the Holy Spirit will get it done God's Way even though the result may not equal what we wanted or expected.
     
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    I don't see anything lovely or redeemable about myself, even though I'm redeemed by Christ.

    Earlier in my walk I felt less condemnation than I do now. It's like I'm going backwards. I learn more about how depraved and lacking I am as time goes on.
     
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    You overcome sin first in the thought and imagination realm. If you censor any impure thought or imagination and focus on good thoughts instead, you can beat any sin while it is still temptation. But if you indulge sinful thoughts and imaginations, they too become sin.
     
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    Right. Taking captive every thought to bring it into conformity with the mind of Christ. I want to do this more but it feels like I have bad thoughts that come into my mind and I feel defiled just by thinking them.
     
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    With practice you can see them coming at the impulse stage and get them there. Just as you change the channel on TV or radio, change the channel on your thinking and focus on good. I think of it like shooting skeet. Just keep popping them out of the air when they start to fly over. As long as they remain temptation, they are not sin unless we indulge them. I continually give God thanks, always praying under my breath. And that helps too.
     
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    Philippians 4:8
    "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."
     
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    No. Christians are commanded to examine themselves.

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10).
     
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    @friend of

    Just watch how much you say.."I think, I feel, ...all the "I"'s , me and my.
    Bottom line...this is not about us, it is about Him. Bless you. x
     
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    Hi @friend of and welcome,

    "I learn more about how depraved and lacking I am as time goes on."

    Oh I can surely relate to that!!! I have come to realize that the more His Light shines through us...the more our sin is seen by us hence- the more we depend on Him...♥ Satan is our accuser...but we have an advocate...has satan not stolen enough of our peace?
    "There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ"
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    For sure! It's all in our focus...and that can be tough in this day and age but, not impossible ♥
     
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    I remember when I was in my mid 20's..I was asked to 'share a word' from the pulpit. I did so in 'fear and trembling' :) ...afterward they took me aside and told me 'these are your training days, God will require more of you later..just remember who you represent, watch your I, me, my's ..this is all about Him not you!
    Needless to say I never forgot the lesson..and it was correct.
    It was Dale Carnegie who said - " watch yourself , we are our most favourite subject to talk about! "
    You already posted Philippians 4:8 today... The bible always has the last word :D
     
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    "I was in my mid 20's..I was asked to 'share a word' from the pulpit." <---YIKES! Lol
    "...just remember who you represent <---- Key :)
    watch your I, me, my's ..this is all about Him not you!" <---- I do not think most realize how much they talk about themselves...my old pastor was big on the worship songs not containing those words...
     
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    Great verse; Philippians 4.8... :)
     
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    If you have been redeemed, then you should know who you are in Christ. Indeed, it is critical that you know this. At the same time, everything is based upon Christ and His merits as well as His finished work of redemption. God sees us as righteous IN Christ.
     
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    ....I think this fits here ...

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    Very true...

    Philippians 1:6 "Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ .."
     
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    Great verse in Philippians there...
     
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    Ill add this bit from where the Jews stood.

    Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
    Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
    Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
    Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
    Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    and if you want to know what the law does, just read teh rest, choose your husband???
     
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    The Bible says that "the just shall live by faith." The righteousness of God is "revealed from faith to faith." Rom. 1:17. Nothing can better illustrate the working of faith than some of the examples that are recorded for our learning, "that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope." Rom. 15:4. We will take, first, a notable event recorded in the twentieth chapter of 2 Chronicles. Let the reader follow the running comment with his Bible. "It came to pass after this, also, that the children of Moab and the children of Ammon and with them other beside the Ammonites, came against Jehoshaphat to battle. Then there came some that told Jehoshaphat, saying, There cometh a great multitude against thee from beyond the sea on this side Syria; and, behold, they be in Hazazon-tamar, which is Engedi." Verses 1, 2. This great host caused the king and the people to fear, but they took the wise course of gathering together, "to ask help of the Lord; even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the Lord." Verses 3, 4. Then follows the prayer of Jehoshaphat, as leader of the congregation, and it is worth special study, since it was a prayer of faith and contained within itself the beginning of victory: "And Jehoshaphat stood in the congregation of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court, and said, O Lord God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest thou not over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?" Verses 5, 6. That was an excellent beginning of a prayer. It starts with a recognition of God in heaven. So the model prayer begins, "Our Father who art in heaven." What does this signify? That God, as God in heaven, is Creator. It carries with it the recognition of His power over all the kingdoms of the world and of the powers of darkness; the fact that He is in heaven, the Creator, show that in His hand there is power and might, so that none is able to withstand Him. Why, the man who can begin his prayer in the hour of need with such a recognition of God's power, has victory already on his side. For, notice, Jehoshaphat not only declared his faith in God's wondrous power, but he claimed God's strength as his own, saying, "Art not thou our God? He fulfilled the Scripture requirement, "He that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Jehoshaphat then proceeded to recount how the Lord had established them in that land, and how, although He had not suffered them to invade Moab and Ammon, those nations had come to cast them out of their God-given inheritance. Verses 7-11. And then he concluded, "O our God, wilt thou not judge them? for we have no might against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we what to do; but our eyes are upon thee." Verse 12. It is nothing with the Lord to help, whether with many or with them that have no power (2 Chron. 14:11), and since the eyes of the Lord run to and from throughout the earth to show Himself strong in the behalf of those whose heart is entire towards Him (2 Chron. 16:9), it well becomes those who are in need to trust Him alone. This position of Jehoshaphat and his people was in keeping with the apostolic injunction, "Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." Heb 12:2. He is the beginning and the end, and all power in heaven and earth is in His hands. Now what was the result? the prophet of the Lord came in the power of the Holy Spirit, "and he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou King Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the Lord unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's." Verse 15. And then came the command to go forth in the morning to meet the enemy, and they should see the salvation of the Lord, for He would be with them. Now comes the most important part:- "And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth forever." Verses 20, 21. Surely, this was a strange way to go out to battle. Few armies have ever gone to battle with such a vanguard. But what was the result? "And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them; and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, everyone helped to destroy another. And when Judah came toward the watch-tower in the wilderness, they looked unto the multitude, and, behold, they were dead bodies fallen to the earth, and none escaped." Verses 22- 24. If there have been few armies that have gone to battle with such a vanguard as did the army of Jehoshaphat, it is equally certain that few armies have been rewarded by such a signal victory. And it may not be amiss to study a little into the philosophy of the victory of faith, as illustrated in this instance. When the enemy, who had been confident in their superior numbers, heard the Israelites coming out that morning, singing and shouting, what must they have concluded? Nothing else but that the Israelites had received reinforcements and were so strengthened that it would be useless to try to oppose them. Also a panic seized them, and each one looked upon his neighbor as an enemy. And were they not correct in their conclusion, that Israel had received reinforcements? Indeed they were, for the record says, "When they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir." The host of the Lord, in whom Jehoshaphat and his people trusted, fought for them. They had reinforcements and doubtless if their eyes could have been opened to see them, they would have seen, as did the servant to Elisha on one occasion, that they that were with them were more in number than the enemy. But the point which should be specially noticed is that it was when Israel began to sing and to praise that the Lord set ambushments against the enemy. What does that signify? It signifies that their faith was real. The promise of God was considered as good as the actual accomplishment. So they believed in the Lord, or, more literally, they built upon the Lord, and thus they were established, or built up. Thus they proved the truth of the words, "This is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." 1 John 5:4.
     
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