Health Care Bill To Socialism

[aspen]

We already provide free healthcare in the US, through our Emergency rooms. Providing universal healthcare would bring down the costs.
We also pay for the rest of the world's medicine because before Obama, we were not allowed to negotiate prices with our own pharmaceutical companies.

My Dad drives miles and miles in search of the cheapest gas - and he is so happy when he finds a station offering 2-4 cent per gallon cheaper gas than other stations - so happy he rewards himself with a latte at Starbucks. We are doing the same thing - we care more about cheap gas than cheap medicine - the fact is, gasoline never bankrupted families.

 

[Duckybill]

I won't be surprised if the National Health Care Bill will make it mandatory to be micro-chip implanted.

 

[aspen]

I won't be surprised if the National Health Care Bill will make it mandatory to be micro-chip implanted.

I am not surprised you would make a statement like this - you have already proven that you are terrified. Come out of the fear, Ducky - stop trying to get all your Ducks in a row, and start living to love!

 

[Thankful 1]

Capitalism, accumulation of wealth by individuals, is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

 

[Duckybill]

I am not surprised you would make a statement like this - you have already proven that you are terrified. Come out of the fear, Ducky - stop trying to get all your Ducks in a row, and start living to love!

Your imagination is getting the better of you Aspen. I look forward to the end of this wicked sewer we live in. I'm looking for God's eternal Kingdom.

I am not surprised you would make a statement like this - you have already proven that you are terrified. Come out of the fear, Ducky - stop trying to get all your Ducks in a row, and start living to love!

Are you saying that you don't know that this system is already in place and ready to go? And it is based on micro-chip implants under the guise of medical. It is also linked to the financial system. Get your head out of the sand. Tis the season.

Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, [sup]17 [/sup]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[Duckybill]

Microchip Implant to Link Your Health Records, Credit History, Social Security

 

[aspen]

Your imagination is getting the better of you Aspen. I look forward to the end of this wicked sewer we live in. I'm looking for God's eternal Kingdom.




Are you saying that you don't know that this system is already in place and ready to go? And it is based on micro-chip implants under the guise of medical. It is also linked to the financial system. Get your head out of the sand. Tis the season.

Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, [sup]17 [/sup]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Great verse! You know it is describing the power Nero had over the majority of the Christian converts in the Roman empire, right? All Roman slaves - Christians (free), nonchristians (slaves), were required to be marked by a seal of the Empire on their right hand and forehead, declaring their bond-service. The point is, we have been living in the end times since Christ ascended to Heaven.

 

[Duckybill]

Great verse! You know it is describing the power Nero had over the majority of the Christian converts in the Roman empire, right? All Roman slaves - Christians (free), nonchristians (slaves), were required to be marked by a seal of the Empire on their right hand and forehead, declaring their bond-service. The point is, we have been living in the end times since Christ ascended to Heaven.

Are you saying that you would accept a government mark or micro-chip on or in your right hand or forehead?

Revelation 14:9-11 (ESV)
[sup]9 [/sup]And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, [sup]10 [/sup]he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [sup]11 [/sup]And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

 

[aspen]

Are you saying that you would accept a government mark or micro-chip on or in your right hand or forehead?

Revelation 14:9-11 (ESV)
[sup]9 [/sup]And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, [sup]10 [/sup]he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [sup]11 [/sup]And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

What part of my post gave you that impression? Are you saying that you do not trust Jesus to return?

 

[Duckybill]

What part of my post gave you that impression?

If you believe it has already happened then you are unaware that it is in the near future. And it is.

Are you saying that you do not trust Jesus to return?

I not only "trust Jesus to return" I know He will.

 

[aspen]

If you believe it has already happened then you are unaware that it is in the near future. And it is.

I not only "trust Jesus to return" I know He will.

I gave you an example of how it already happened. All we are doing now is waiting for Christ to return.

 

[Duckybill]

I gave you an example of how it already happened. All we are doing now is waiting for Christ to return.

And all I'm doing is bringing it to your attention. Many religious folks will be saved by refusing the Mark. It will be one of the greatest blessings in history!

Revelation 7:9-14 (ESV)
[sup]9 [/sup]After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, [sup]10 [/sup]and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” [sup]11 [/sup]And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, [sup]12 [/sup]saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.” [sup]13 [/sup]Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” [sup]14 [/sup]I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 20:4 (ESV)
[sup]4 [/sup]Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[aspen]

And all I'm doing is bringing it to your attention. Many religious folks will be saved by refusing the Mark. It will be one of the greatest blessings in history!

Revelation 7:9-14 (ESV)
[sup]9 [/sup]After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, [sup]10 [/sup]and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” [sup]11 [/sup]And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, [sup]12 [/sup]saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.” [sup]13 [/sup]Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” [sup]14 [/sup]I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 20:4 (ESV)
[sup]4 [/sup]Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

And all I am doing is bringing to your attention that you are warning people about an event that has already happened. Now we wait for Christ.

 

[Duckybill]

And all I am doing is bringing to your attention that you are warning people about an event that has already happened.

So then, I have nothing to lose if you are right. What if it is still future? It's happening right under your nose, BTW.

 

[aspen]

So then, I have nothing to lose if you are right. What if it is still future? It's happening right under your nose, BTW.

If it is happening right under my nose and it isn't - who cares? How is guessing at all the manifestations of the prophesies going to make a bit of difference in my sanctifying relationship with Christ? My opinion on the prophecies in the book of Revelation is not going to stop the world from ending or people from perishing - why get worked up over speculation?

 

[Duckybill]

If it is happening right under my nose and it isn't - who cares? How is guessing at all the manifestations of the prophesies going to make a bit of difference in my sanctifying relationship with Christ? My opinion on the prophecies in the book of Revelation is not going to stop the world from ending or people from perishing - why get worked up over speculation?

So you think it's just coincidence that we now have the technology to Mark and track everyone on Earth, and in the same generation that the Nation of Israel arose from being dead, and that monster earthquakes are happening around the world as Jesus said they would? Quite a coincidence indeed.

 

[aspen]

So you think it's just coincidence that we now have the technology to Mark and track everyone on Earth, and in the same generation that the Nation of Israel arose from being dead, and that monster earthquakes are happening around the world as Jesus said they would? Quite a coincidence indeed.

I do not think about it at all, actually. Too busy practicing my sanctification.

 

[Tullius]

I do not think about it at all, actually. Too busy practicing my sanctification.

I love your clarity and tranquility man,

I understand where Dukcybill is coming from though. I was too in the bubble if conspiracy theories for one year especially the "new world order we are all gonna be slaves" theory. The fear of the prospect of it coming real makes you spend all the free time reading only about the theory, connecting delusions and misquotes that are unreal and drawing false conclusions, and reading only books, news from people like Alex Jones and freaks like that. The fear feeds itself.

It is rather funny how a discussion about health care welfare which is an essential part of Socialism and its single payer system turned into talk about microchips

 

[aspen]

I love your clarity and tranquility man,

I understand where Dukcybill is coming from though. I was too in the bubble if conspiracy theories for one year especially the "new world order we are all gonna be slaves" theory. The fear of the prospect of it coming real makes you spend all the free time reading only about the theory, connecting delusions and misquotes that are unreal and drawing false conclusions, and reading only books, news from people like Alex Jones and freaks like that. The fear feeds itself.

It is rather funny how a discussion about health care welfare which is an essential part of Socialism and its single payer system turned into talk about microchips

 

[Duckybill]

I love your clarity and tranquility man,

I understand where Dukcybill is coming from though. I was too in the bubble if conspiracy theories for one year especially the "new world order we are all gonna be slaves" theory. The fear of the prospect of it coming real makes you spend all the free time reading only about the theory, connecting delusions and misquotes that are unreal and drawing false conclusions, and reading only books, news from people like Alex Jones and freaks like that. The fear feeds itself.

It is rather funny how a discussion about health care welfare which is an essential part of Socialism and its single payer system turned into talk about microchips

We can't say we weren't warned, can we?