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  1. Webers_Home

    Webers_Home Well-Known Member

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    Rev 21:8 . . But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
    sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in
    the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

    The koiné Greek word for "brimstone" is theion (thi'-on) which means sulfur,
    which Webster's defines as a nonmetallic element that occurs either free or
    combined esp. in sulfides and sulfates, is a constituent of proteins, exists in
    several allotropic forms including yellow orthorhombic crystals, resembles
    oxygen chemically but is less active and more acidic, and is used esp. in the
    chemical and paper industries, in rubber vulcanization, and in medicine for
    treating skin diseases.

    Whenever sulfur is mentioned as a tool of judgment in the Bible, it's always
    in combination with fire since sulfur doesn't exist in nature as a flaming
    substance like lava and/or magma. Sulfur is flammable, yes, but then so is
    an oak log and/or a lady's handkerchief.

    One of the purposes for setting sulfur on fire is the fumes that it gives off
    are quite useful for fumigation. Personally I wouldn't want to fumigate my
    house with sulfur if perchance it might leave behind a rather unpleasant
    odor. In point of fact, sulfur is one of the ingredients found in skunk scent
    and we all know just how stubborn the odor of that stuff is.

    I don't know exactly why God prefers using ignited sulfur in some
    applications (e.g. Sodom and Gomorrah; Luke 17:29) but one thing's for
    sure: if the conflagration doesn't get you, the fumes surely will without
    respiratory protection. Perhaps God uses sulfur as a means of sanitation;
    with all those dead bodies floating around out there.

    Perhaps the impoundment of fire and sulfur depicted at Rev 20:11-15 and
    Rev 21:8 is some sort of super-lethal weapon of mass destruction; viz: first
    the fumes terminate your life, and then the fire cooks your corpse. Pretty
    grisly thought.

    However, though the corpses of the lost will be cooked, they won't be
    cremated to oblivion. According to the Bible; the dead will be preserved
    as perpetual nourishment for a curious species of fire-proof worm. And
    they'll also be on public display like the remains of those prehistoric animals
    in the museum of the La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles.

    Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
    and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
    of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
    never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
    will view them with utter loathing.

    Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
    enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
    into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.
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    Well the entirety of Romans chapter 5 & 6 makes it very clear that its the first death being referred to, not the second death. At what point did Paul or Jesus and the rest of the crew ever state that the wages of sin is the second death for all unbelievers?

    Ok...and I ask again, do you believe that all those who are judged according to their works get sent to the lake of fire? Does it state that every soul gets sent or only those whose names are not in the book of life? It's really a simple yes or no answer.

    Ok, it stands to reason that if God brought you into existence, then he can also take you out of existence. You see how I just boiled down your entire argument to one sentence of pure reason? Occams razor really does work. :)

    :rolleyes:.......quoting a few words from scripture to rob it of its context is a huge pet peeve of mine you know. It has truly become a travesty within the "body of Christ".
     
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    It's believed that a high-temperature incinerator or crematory for the ancient city of Jerusalem was developed by adding sulfur to the constantly burning fires in the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) just outside the walls.


    Ever since the fiery judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah in 1919 B.C.E., the highly flammable nature of sulfur has been referred to in the Scriptures. (Isa 30:33;34:9; Re 9:17, 18) It is a symbol of total desolation. (De 29:22, 23; Job 18:15) “Fire and sulphur” are associated together when utter destruction is depicted. (Ps 11:6; Eze 38:22; Re 14:9-11) We are told that the Devil will be hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur,” a fitting description of complete annihilation, “the second death.”—Re 19:20; 20:10; 21:8.

    The lake of fire,” which means, or symbolizes, the “second death,” also ‘burns with sulphur.’ (Rev. 21:8) Sulphur ignites at a low temperature and burns quickly, thus tending to consume things that would not otherwise burn so readily. Sulphur was anciently used in fumigation. Thus the “lake that burns with fire and sulphur” would well represent a complete, everlasting destruction universally of everything and everyone that has “contaminated” it, carrying on filthy practices, challenging God’s sovereignty and bringing reproach upon his name.


    Dead Sea or Sea of Salt. This is a big inland lake in which nothing alive exists; which fact adds to the thought of the complete deadness caused by the literal fire and sulphur that rained down upon the cities of that district. Thus, too, as in Revelation, we have a deadly lake associated with fire and sulphur (brimstone). The people upon
    whom the fire and sulphur rained may have been tormented for the time that they continued conscious, but the final effect of the fire and sulphur together was to destroy them.* This destruction preceded by torment is the thought conveyed in Revelation 14:10, 11, and also in Psalm 11:5, 6, where fire and sulphur are mentioned together, evidently in a symbolic sense.
     
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    Among the destructive forces that God will pour down upon the army of Gog of the land of Magog when it attacks Jehovah’s restored people, “fire and sulphur” are included, in Ezekiel 38:22. While these elements may torment and agonize the army of Gog for a while, they at last destroy the enemy army, killing them off.That this is the case is shown in the next chapter, in Ezekiel 39:11-20, which describes how the dead bodies of the army of Gog of Magog are disposed of down to the very last bone.

    From all the foregoing it is unmistakably evident that Haʹdes or Sheol is different from Gehenna and the “lake that burns with fire and sulphur.” Otherwise, how could Revelation 20:14: state “Death and Haʹdes were hurled into the lake of fire”? This verse also shows the meaning of the “lake of fire,” saying: “This means the second death, the lake of fire.”

    Thus the death that spread to all men by birth from Adam will be put to death in the “second death.” Death will be destroyed in the “second death” and will not be tormented there forever. Neither will Haʹdes be forever tormented in the “second death,” but it will be destroyed forever in this symbolic “lake of fire.” This “lake of fire” or “second death” never delivers up “death and Haʹdes” that are hurled into it. Hence Gehenna or the lake that burns with fire and sulphur is a Bible picture of eternal or absolute destruction from which there is no resurrection. That is why resurrected persons who have been given up by inherited death and by Haʹdes can later be “hurled into the lake of fire” and undergo the “second death,” because they do not get their names written on the scroll of life.—Rev. 20:15.

    According to Revelation 19:20, the symbolic “wild beast” and the “false prophet” are to be “hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur” during the coming “war of the great day of God the Almighty.” This occurs just before the Devil, Satan, and his demons are bound and cast into the abyss for the thousand years of Christ’s reign. At the
    end of the thousand years the symbolic “wild beast” and the “false prophet” are still in that symbolic “lake of fire and sulphur” and are not released.
     
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    What has this to do with our statement? We said nothing about any non-believers being consigned to second death, where did you get this idea?

    We merely stated that the “wages of sin is death” (Rom 6:23), the death referred to here is the “first deathAdamic death, that penalty which was incurred upon all through father Adam’s sin. There remains no question as to the fact that "by one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and so (as a result) death (the first death) has passed upon all men (Adam's posterity). Rom 5:11, 12.

    None can come under the sentence of the “second death”, pictured by Gehenna, until he has first gotten out from under the sentence of the first death, Adamic death, and so far the only ones who have gotten out from under the first death are the fully consecrated, all others and this includes not only the world (the heathen, non-believers), but likewise includes all believers not fully consecrated are still under the original sentence of the first death. Only those set free from the first death may be in danger of second death.

    In the next age all are going to be judged according to their works (Rev 20:12), some (sheep) will be approved, some (goats) will not.

    Only those whose names are not recorded in the book of life, i.e. the goat class.

    Glad we cleared that up. If God can take you out of existence then you no longer exist, and if you no longer exist then there’s nothing to torment.

    The scriptures quoted were used in direct support of our argument contrasting the difference between life everlasting and death everlasting. As it is written the “wages of sin is deathperiod, not life in any sense of the word.

    The idea that any are going to be perpetually kept alive so that they might experience everlasting torment is contrary to the statement quoted, “he that believeth not the Son shall NOT see life, but the wrath of God [the pronounced penalty for sin, the curse, the sentence, death] abides on him."

    In other words, “… every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed (cut-off, blotted out of existence) from among the people.” Acts 3:23
     
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    Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer, a.k.a. the Milwaukee Cannibal (May 21, 1960
    November 28, 1994) murdered upwards of 18 males. I won't go into the
    grisly details of those incidents other than to say that he cannibalized,
    lobotomized, dismembered, beheaded, eviscerated, and performed
    unspeakable acts of necrophilia with their remains.

    His primary motivation? Well; none of those murders were done in a spirit of
    malice; nor were they kill-for-thrill murders either. His primary motivation
    was actually very practical. You see; Dahmer was a lonely gay man plagued
    with some serious abandonment issues. So in order to prevent his lovers
    from dumping him, he simply killed them so they couldn't. His attempts to
    lobotomize some of the males and turn them into love zombies did not turn
    out well.

    Now what really interests me the most about Dahmer is that it's reported he
    became a born-again Christian while in prison. If that report is true, then
    according to John 3:3-18 and John 5:24, Jeffry didn't go to hell. Well; I
    wouldn't be surprised if a number of conscientious church-goers, who had
    been model citizens all their entire lives; will be very resentful over Mr.
    Dahmer's unqualified acceptance into the heaven they worked so hard to
    obtain; and failed.
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    It is a common misconception that all believers are going to heaven; unfortunately this is not the case. The majority of believers having never taken the second step of a full consecration to God, having never entered into covenant relationship with the Father (Rom 12:1; Psa 50:5) will take their share with the rest of the world in the resurrection by judgment in the earthly phase of the kingdom. Therefore it is highly unlikely that Jeffrey Dahmer amongst many others like him will be in the heavenly phase of the kingdom. A mere profession of faith is not enough, not only must one make their calling and election sure, be proven faithful even unto death, but they must have been called to the high calling in the first place.

    And as it is written, "No man takes this honor unto himself, but he who is called of God, as was Aaron."(Heb 5:4) Now we’re not saying that it is impossible for God to call such a one, as nothing is impossible for God, but it seems highly unlikely. Most if not all especially those who make death bed professions including the thief crucified alongside our Lord will experience a resurrection by judgement.

    Many such ones will be resurrected to age-lasting shame that is the shame will last until they have made proper amends for their previous lives and have made sufficient progress up the highway of holiness. And should they reach the end and pass the final test at the end of that age they will have been fully restore to the image of their creator and as such will be ushered in to the kingdom prepared for them.

    God is no respecter of persons, he has graciously extended the free gift to all, it is all of grace no one merits it. There is no one who is good enough nor one bad enough that God’s grace cannot cover their sins. Some require more grace some less it all depends on how much the curse of sin has affected them regardless all are extended grace sufficient.
     
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    Ecc 1:2-4 . . Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly
    meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What does a man gain from all his
    labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go,
    but the earth remains forever.

    The earth is dumber than a spatula; yet easily outlives its human potentate
    whose IQ is infinitely greater. Take for example the great granite
    monuments in Yosemite Valley. Tourists to the valley come, and tourists to
    the valley go; and one day old age catches up with those tourists and
    they're gone; yet Yosemite's great stones abide decade after decade;
    century after century. Most children born this day will be dead in 100 years;
    and those stones won't even notice. Though a child born today may be
    intelligent enough to eventually understand orbital mechanics and string
    theory; the stones-- stupid, mute, and uneducated --will easily outlast it.

    Ecc 2:15-16 . . I thought in my heart,: The fate of the fool will overtake
    me also. What then do I gain by being intelligent? I said in my heart: This is
    meaningless For the intelligent man, like the fool, will not be long
    remembered-- in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the
    intelligent man too must die.
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    A corpse is called "remains" because it's no more sentient than a gas pump.
    Corpses look like human persons; and that's because at one time they were
    human persons; but that's over. Once the breath of life is gone out them,
    corpses become no more a human person than a car seat.

    When my father-in-law passed a while back, we all went to the hospital to
    view the body. Well; I was very impressed that the frozen figure the hospital
    staff brought up from the morgue on a portable slab wasn't my father-in
    law, rather it was a wooden mannequin that resembled my father-in-law. He
    was gone; and the rigid, stone-cold statue lying in repose before us was what
    was left of him. Very disturbing.

    Death is depicted in the Bible as a pit. But not a grave pit: it's a hole dug in
    the ground to trap wildlife. In other words: a hunting device from which an
    animal is helpless to escape.

    In life my father-in-law was a war hero-- a pipeline engineer in Burma on
    Stilwell's' Road and flew The Hump into China. He was also a senior vice
    president with Safeco Title. But in death, my father-in-law was trapped and
    just as helpless to do anything about his circumstances as a Rhinoceros shot
    dead by poachers for its horn.
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    The only hell known to be fueled by sulfur is the fiery impoundment
    described at Rev 20:11-15. The chemistry of the material fueling
    the hell depicted at Luke 16:19-31 isn't stated. However, it appears that the
    rich man isn't afloat in an impoundment; but rather, warehoused in
    something more like a large furnace where he's at liberty to walk around a
    bit and chat with his neighbors.

    Alighieri Dante's Divine Comedy depicts a variety of punishments. For one
    thing: his hell isn't strictly fire. In point of fact, the very lowest tier is ice. On
    a higher tier; people are inserted head down in socket holes bored in solid
    rock. On another tier, people are being dismembered over and over again by
    demons with big swords. On yet another, people are submerged in boiling
    pitch. On another, a guy is pinned down on a path where people repeatedly
    walk on him. On another tier, people are continually pelted by embers. And
    of course everybody on every tier is stark naked and afforded no protection
    for their skin whatsoever.

    It wasn't Dante's intention to provide an accurate picture of hell; but to
    illustrate the wish of justice to administer punishment that fits the crime. It's
    a common complaint that hell isn't fair. Everyone pays the same no matter
    what they've done. Well; I'm not so sure; because that wouldn't be justice;
    but would in fact be injustice. I think it's safe to assume that some people
    will pay more than others in ways we cannot even imagine.

    Ps 89:14 . . Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Thy throne
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    Gen 2:8-9 . .The Lord God planted a garden in Eden, and placed there the
    man whom He had formed. And from the ground the Lord God caused to
    grow every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food, with the
    tree of life in the middle of the garden,

    The tree of life doesn't give life; but rather, according to Gen 3:22 has
    something in it that sustains life: indefinitely. Exactly how the chemistry of
    any plant could be so rich in nourishment as to stop the human body from
    getting old and falling apart is currently unknown.

    A very active field of modern scientific research in our own time is
    gerontology-- the study of the phenomena of the aging process. As yet,
    gerontologists have no significant understanding of the aging process, and
    therefore no clue as to what treatments, or nutrients, might be employed to
    stop it.

    The tree shows up again in the book of Revelation at 22:2. In the future, the
    tree won't be utilized to keep the resurrected righteous forever young
    because according to 1Cor 15:50-54 their bodies will be impervious to death
    and the aging process. However; though their bodies will be impervious to
    death and the aging process; to my knowledge they won't be impervious to
    injury; hence, the tree's leaves will be utilized for First Aid treatments.

    For really serious injuries-- e.g. broken teeth, dismemberment,
    disemboweling, crushing, loss of an eye, and the like --Christ has already
    proven himself up to the task of fixing things like that so people won't have
    to worry about going through eternity handicapped and/or disfigured.
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    Rom 3:19 . .Whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the
    law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty
    before God.

    Q: Does that passage indicate that underage children and mentally
    challenged folk are in just as much danger of going to hell as everyone else?

    A: When Rom 3:19 is interpreted in context with Rom 3:9-20, it's readily
    seen that the "the whole world" isn't talking about every person on Earth,
    rather, it's talking about every nationality on Earth. For example: a Canadian
    sinner has no advantage over an Australian sinner; nor an Israeli sinner over
    an Arab sinner, nor a Mexican sinner over a Zimbabwe sinner.

    In other words; the indictment is very broad rather than personal; and most
    certainly does not condemn underage children and mentally challenged folk
    because the wording of the indictment assumes a high enough degree of
    intelligence for people to know what they're doing.
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    The warning is given to saved believers that when the Bridegroom comes and find them as workers of iniquity, they will be excommunicated from eating with abiding disciples at the Marriage Supper above with the O.T. saints.

    If you read what the church is to do for excommunication in 1 Corinthians 5:11 in not eating with unrepentant brothers, and the purpose of excommunication is to give them over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ), then you can see why the Bridegroom will deny saved but unrepentant believers access to the Supper table and how when left behind in being given unto Satan whom will wage war on the saints in killing them, He is faithful in keeping their souls while they suffer this being left behind.

    1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

    So His disciples that get raptured to join Him at the supper table can rest that Jesus is keeping the souls of His lost sheep that get left behind as He will gather them again after the great tribulation where they will serve Him as the King of kings for the millennium reign of Christ.

    This is where the works that deny Him and has defiled the temple of God will be burned away, but that foundation remains; as they will incur the destruction of their temple of the Holy Spirit, hence their physical bodies, as He keeps their souls without losing one. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & John 6:39
     
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    During the 16th century, an Italian man named Niccolò Machiavelli wrote a
    political treatise titled: The Prince. It's main theme is how to get power, and
    once you've got it; how to keep it.

    The book's instructions apply to all forms of power whether in business, in
    government, the military, the mafioso, school boards, investment banking,
    and even religion and church management practices.

    You might be surprised at the number and variety of famous, respectable
    people who've been influenced by The Prince, not only in the past, but right
    up to the very present. Machiavelli's book, like Sun Tzu's book The Art Of
    War, is timeless.

    However; there's a hitch. Machiavelli's ideas work best when employed by
    monsters, i.e. sociopaths: because it's necessary to sacrifice integrity and
    conscience to make them work; i.e. it's necessary to become cruel,
    inhumane, and thoroughly indifferent to the principles of trust, loyalty,
    and honesty.

    The word "Machiavellian" is in Webster's defined as: marked by cunning,
    duplicity, or bad faith, i.e. not guided by, or showing a concern for, what is
    right in respect to social norms and acceptable behavior.

    In other words: it's not what's right that counts with Machiavellian
    personalities; it's what works, viz: they practice a sort of moral flexibility.

    The Bible describes heaven as a place of peace. I think it goes without
    saying that Machiavellian personalities are not allowed there. For one, they
    would make heaven unbearable for the decent folk. For another, they would
    not fit in. And for another, their way of life would just end up turning heaven
    into another Earth.
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    Lev 24:10-12 . . And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an
    Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the
    Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; and the
    Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of The Lord, and cursed.

    . . . And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was
    Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan) And they put him in
    ward, that the mind of The Lord might be showed them.

    That incident is a pretty good illustration of the current purpose of the fiery
    sector of hades. It's a place to hold people till the day when the mind of the
    Lord will be shown concerning them.

    Rev 20:13. . Death and hades gave up the dead that were in them, and
    each person was judged according to what he had done.


    NOTE: Rev 20:13 is a record of things that the apostle John saw in the
    future; which means they're on the way, and only a matter of time now
    when they'll be seen in the present by everyone.
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    The six days of creation are all bounded by evenings and mornings. The
    seventh day is not bounded, i.e. the seventh day is an on-going day; viz:
    God is still on sabbatical and hasn't created anything new for the current
    cosmos since the end of the sixth day.

    So then, babies are nothing new; they're just extensions of the one soul that
    God created in Gen 2:7, viz: the "all souls" of Ezek 18:4 are simply multiples
    of that one soul; which is exactly what Adam was instructed to carry out.
    (Gen 1:28)

    "In Adam, all die" (1Cor 15:22)

    Well, all die because all were doomed to die when God doomed that one soul
    to die for eating the forbidden fruit; viz: it only stands to reason that if that
    one soul was doomed to die, then of course its multiples would automatically
    be doomed to die too regardless of age, race, or gender.
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    Matt 25:41 . .Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you
    who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

    The Greek word for "angels" is aggelos (ang'-el-os) which is one of the
    Bible's many ambiguous words. It means messenger; and it isn't limited to
    spirit beings.

    For example at Matt 11:10 it refers to John the Baptist. At Luke 7:24 it refers
    to John's disciples. At Acts 7:53 and Gal 3:19 it refers to divine apparitions
    in the form of voices, fire, smoke, earthquakes, and a human likeness. At
    Jas 2:25 it refers to the spies that hid out at Rahab's home. At Rev 1:20-
    Rev 3:14, the word aggelos refers to high-ranking church officers.

    So, we have in view at Matt 25:41 not only spirit beings, but quite possibly
    also human beings who serve as messengers for the Devil, e.g. preachers,
    ministers, Sunday school teachers, Deacons, missionaries, evangelists,
    cultists, etc; whose version of Christianity is a doctored version rather than
    Christ's.

    2Cor 11:13-15 . . For such are false apostles, deceitful workmen,
    masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself
    masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants
    masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their
    actions deserve.

    I have a personal interest in this matter. My eldest brother is a Friar; he and
    I are both now in our mid to late seventies. My brother has been spending
    his entire adult life obedient to Rome and propagating Catholicism. If it turns
    out that his version of Christianity differs from Christ's, then my brother won't
    make it to safety when he passes on. His life's work will go up in smoke, and he
    will be branded forever as one of the Devil's angels. That possibility does not
    set well with me.
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  18. Harvest 1874

    Harvest 1874 Well-Known Member

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    He has been propagating the teachings of the “beast” (Catholicism), while others have been propagating the teachings of the “image of the beast” (Protestantism), but this in no way implies that either will face eternal destruction, certainly not eternal torment as is generally taught by both. The god of this world has blinded the majority (2 Cor. 4:4), and the rest he has deceived into believing his many errors.

    He has blinded the minds of “the children of disobedience” lest the light of the knowledge of the glory and the goodness of God should shine into their hearts. Satan does not wish this light of God’s goodness to shine in upon humanity. Consequently he has endeavored to cause people to think of their Creator as the greatest Demon imaginable. One can scarcely even imagine a being as monstrous and cruel as the creeds of the Dark Ages represent our God to be. No human being, however depraved, would be so devilish as to do what has been attributed to God.

    A being who would torture throughout eternity billions of his creatures would be a devil of the blackest dye. And when we consider that these creatures were born imperfect and blemished by the Adamic fall, and blinded by superstition and ignorance inherited from their forefathers, the matter would be still worse. How could any imagine such things of our Heavenly Father!

    Nevertheless those used of the Adversary to propagate the errors of the professing church (Babylon the Great) will be held accountable in so much light (truth) as they were made aware of but chose to disregard and to preach error because they were afraid of losing the respect of orthodoxy, of their peers, family and friends.

    All such are to be condemned because they did not believe the truth (enough to stand up for it), but had pleasure in unrighteousness (errors, false teachings, the doctrines of men). 2 Thess 2:12

    What shall be the results of such? Are they to be consigned to everlasting torment? Heavens No! But they will receive “stripes” (corrections) based upon what light they had, but felled to heed.

    These are they which both our Lord and the prophet Daniel spoke of who with the great majority of mankind will experience a resurrection by judgment, who will awaken to shame and age-lasting (the millennial age) contempt. (Dan 12:2) This contempt will last until there has been a proper repentance.

    Shame and contempt for how they misled and deceived those who looked to them for direction, many of whom had hoped to be a part of the heavenly phase of the kingdom, but now were forever bared from it, but more importantly shame and contempt for how they treated the Lord’s true people whom they accused of being deceivers and false teachers, when all along it was they themselves who were the false prophets.

    Hear the word of the Lord, You who tremble at His word: Your brethren (false brethren, mere professors, nominal Christians) who hated you (Nearly all persecutions that have come to God's true people have come from professed Christians, fellow-believers), who cast you out (rejected you) for my name’s sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified (i.e. ‘we do this for the God’s glory’, but actually for the good of antichrist; Churchianity; for the cause of error. Like Saul of Tarsus, they thought they did God a service.), that we may see your joy.’ But they (those teaching errors, persecuting, slandering, doing evil) shall be ashamed.” (Isa 66:5)

    Nevertheless we should be sympathetic and realize that with our persecutors it is very much as with the Jews of our Lord's day-had they known what they were doing they would have been very much ashamed of their course.
     
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    It's hard to nail down the numbers, except to say that only those who reject God's Holy Spirit are given access to Hell.
    Those of Faith are granted permission to continue living after death.
     
  20. Wafer

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    It's no wonder you people don't get along well. You are looking at the pages of the bible and reciting what you prefer to believe instead of what it says.

    The bible has only a few verses speaking of hell and death. You can look them all up in less than a half hour. They do not say what many of you think they say.

    Somebody quoted from Dante as if it were scripture! I can't maintain good manners!
     
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