Hell's Population Clock

[Webers_Home]

The math is bad

You were expecting to find a journal-quality scientific study on an internet
forum consisting of amateur theologians and armchair linguists? Haw!

you're not considering infant mortality

I don't know how you missed it but the OP ruled out boys and girls under the
age of 19 years.


Buen Camino
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[Apocalypticist]

Basically your number are still wrong. I'm not going to go back over them with you to explain deeper reasons why I disagree.

On a more productive note, how many souls have you brought into the kingdom in the last 690 some odd days? I'm guessing the answer is zero. Same way in American politics, the people who cry the most about taxes not being high enough are usually the ones not paying anything to begin with.

 

[soupy]

Yep, I can't think of any good message in this thread.
The OP seems to enjoy his postings though.

 

[Dodo_David]

Yep, I can't think of any good message in this thread.
The OP seems to enjoy his postings though.

As long as this thread doesn't violate site rules, then let it be. If you don't like it, then don't read it.

 

[lforrest]

I've always had the notion that 2/3 of the population would be condemned on average. It is admittedly baseless.

 

[Webers_Home]

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There used to be a program on TV called "Scared Straight" wherein
incorrigible teen agers were brought to an adult prison and given a
glimpse of the future they could expect if they didn't drop the attitude
and revise their current lifestyle.

I've often thought that something like that would be useful for people
on the road to hell. Not just to frighten them, but to convince them that
hell's not just a myth; but there really are people down there; and more
being processed in every hour on the clock. You know what would really
get to me? The temperature? No; the noise.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

God alone knows how many people have died destined for the Lake of Fire.

 

[Webers_Home]

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It's easy to assume that only really bad people are in hell. But according to
Matt 7:23-27, John 3:3-8, John 3:14-20, John 3:36, and Rev 20:11-15,
anybody can be there; both the good, the bad, and the not so bad-- bikers,
bakers, lawyers, welders, actors and actresses, housewives, bankers, heavy
equipment operators, loggers, convicts, celebrities, homeless bums, clergy,
prostitutes, drug lords, postmen, Presidents, Kings, statesmen, astronauts,
school teachers, scientists, nurses, doctors, chemists, machinists,
carpenters, waiters, hotel managers, cops, judges, nuns, priests, Popes,
deacons, salesmen, Miss Americas, news anchors, weathermen, and
birdwatchers, et al --people from every walk, every career, every religion,
every culture, every language, every ethnic, every craft, and every status:
they're all down there.

Because when you strip away their gender, their titles, their distinctions,
their privileges, their entitlements, and their status; and stand them before
God naked; people are only flesh and blood creatures-- naked apes, just
human beings; and human beings are intrinsically sinful beings.

†. Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from
childhood.

†. Ps 58:3 . . Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are
wayward and speak lies.

Pop Clock Update: 627 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 34,545,192 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[Webers_Home]

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Common Objection: The Lord is compassionate and would never run an
eternal torture mill for his lost sheep.

Yes, that's true. The sheep of the Bible's Lord are perfectly safe.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

†. John 10:27-28 . . My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish

Webster's defines "never" as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition

However; only believers qualify as the sheep of the Bible's Lord

†. John 10:26 . .You disbelieve because you are not my sheep.

The rest of the world has its neck in the noose.

†. John 3:18 . . He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who
disbelieves is condemned already

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who
disbelieves the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

†. Mark 16:15-16 . . And then he said to them: Go into all the world and
preach the good news everywhere to everyone, Anyone who believes and is
baptized will be spared; but anyone who disbelieves will be condemned.

Common Objection: Christ's sheep aren't, as you say "perfectly safe", no;
not when they can pluck themselves out of his hand.

An objection like the one above casts a vote of no-confidence in the Lord's
competence as a shepherd; and would indeed downgrade him from the
status of a good shepherd to that of an average shepherd.

If there is one thing that all sheep need from a shepherd it's protection from
their own stupidity. If Jesus cannot protect his sheep from the wrath of God,
then he doesn't deserve to be put in charge of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care. He needs to be fired and replaced by someone just a
tad more responsible.

But in order for the Lord's sheep to extract themselves from his care; they
would first have to be strong enough to overpower their shepherd, and
afterwards strong enough to overpower God.

†. John 10:28-30 . . No one shall snatch them out of my hand-- my Father,
who has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch
them out of the Father's hand.

There's more.

Jesus testified at John 5:24 and John 10:27-29 that he gives his sheep
eternal life. That is an interesting kind of life. According to 1John 1:1-2, it's
an infinite kind of life; viz: eternal life is impervious to death, decay, and the
aging process. Ergo: eternal life is impervious to the wages of sin; which are
defined at Rom 6:23 as death. In other words: eternal life is a kind of life
that not even God can kill. If that were not true, then it would be possible
for God to commit suicide.

Now, one thing that people working out their salvation can never obtain is
eternal life. You know why? Because it's a gift; which is a blessing that
comes with no strings attached.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Only an disbeliever would raise objections like the two above; and thus
calumniate the reliability the Lord's testimony as an expert witness in all
things related to faith; viz: they stand condemned already as per John 3:18
and John 3:36 for disbelieving the words that Christ preached; which are
words he didn't make up; but rather: words that John 3:34 says Jesus got
from God. In other words: to disbelieve Jesus is to insinuate that God
doesn't know what He's talking about. (1John 5:9-10)

Pop Clock Update: 630 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 34,710,480 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[aspen]

Webers, no offense, but your message sounds like the same message I have heard my whole life from fire and brimstone preachers and four-spiritual-law pamphlets passed out in parks on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. The same message that is most concerned about pointing out the right answer and why people are too evil to get it. It is a message of defeat - it is dry milk rather than whole, rich cream. It is the rocky soil that blames the seeds for not germinating.

I recently read about a punishment used in prisons across the United States - prisoners that are rebellious and have nothing to lose in prison are sentenced to a period of time where they are only fed a food called 'nutra-loaf'. It is made of all the left overs from the last week, blended together and baked in to a loaf - apparently, it tastes like clay. Prisoners hate it so much that they wait until they are dizzy with hunger before they will eat it, but the state is providing all the nutrients that a person needs so the prisoners should be grateful, right? I have seen they same reaction on the faces of people receiving Christian tracts in the park.

The Gospel is not a nutra-loaf.......it is a banquet. It is not simply the right answer.....it is love, which happens to be the right answer. When people are lost in a burning building, you do not pummel them, screaming 'fire, you stupid idiot!' - you lead them to the exit. You certainly do not provide a countdown of all the people who are going to burn alive in the building......

 

[Dodo_David]

aspen, why don't you just ignore this thread.

 

[aspen]

Because I think it is an important topic to address. Not all disagreement is a personal attack, Dodo

 

[Dodo_David]

Because I think it is an important topic to address. Not all disagreement is a personal attack, Dodo

I said nothing about a personal attack.

I simply see no reason to fuss about a thread when ignoring it is just as effective.
An old Melmacian proverb says, "Foolishness does not need help revealing itself." ^_^

 

[aspen]

Well, that pretty much dismisses the entire exercise of posting on a message board, doesnt it?
Also, if I thought Webers population clock idea of witnessing was restricted just to him, it would be pretty boring, but it is not. It is a common and accepted practice. I think it is conterproductive

 

[Dodo_David]

Well, that pretty much dismisses the entire exercise of posting on a message board, doesnt it?

A person who starts a discussion thread wants others to read it.
So, if people ignore it, then the author of the thread doesn't get what he wants.

 

[aspen]

I respond to posts that spark my interest.
Did you find my post to be boring, Dodo? I was trying to make it interesting.

 

[Dodo_David]

I respond to posts that spark my interest.
Did you find my post to be boring, Dodo? I was trying to make it interesting.

Actually, I am in agreement with you on the topic of this thread. ^_^

 

[Webers_Home]

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Common Opinion: Judaism is just as useful to sinners seeking God's
forgiveness as Christianity. In fact, that's the whole purpose of Yom Kippur,
the Day of Atonement.

Pinning one's hopes on the Day Of Atonement is futile. For one thing: who's
going to perform the rituals? seeing as how there is neither a Temple nor a
fully functioning Aaronic priesthood in Jerusalem at this time. In point of
fact, neither of those two essential elements of the Day of Atonement have
been in Jerusalem since 70 AD.

Another problem associated with Yom Kippur is that its rituals are good for
only one past year at a time. In other words; it's rituals don't suffice to
atone for a whole lifetime of sins; just one past year's accumulation of sins.

Pop Clock Update: 634 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 34,930,864 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[Webers_Home]

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I know of the Protestant pastor who was asked by Audie Murphy's widow
Pamela to speak at her husband's funeral. Audie Murphy, as you may
already know, was a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason and a Shriner; but he
wasn't a Christian.

In amazement, the pastor asked Mrs. Murphy why she chose a Christian to
speak at her husband's funeral. Though Audie himself wasn't a Christian, his
widow was; and she explained that the Hollywood crowd would be there the
day of his funeral, and having hob-nobbed with them during her husband's
acting career, she was fully aware that many of them rarely listened to
something on the afterlife related to Jesus' crucifixion. Well . . that day they
did, and were very annoyed because they were expecting the usual sappy,
feel-good kind of liberal bombast to which pampered celebrities are
accustomed.

†. Ecc 7:4 . . The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the
heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

Some may feel that hell and eternal suffering aren't appropriate topics at a
funeral. But I think that, other than Xmas and Easter, you couldn't pick a
better time to bring them up, especially since Jesus said that the majority of
the human race is ending up there. (Matt 7:13-14, Matt 22:14)

†. Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house
of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this
seriously.

As I watched some of the splendor and pomp of President Gerald Ford's
funeral back in January of 2007, I couldn't help but wonder if he was in a
position to really appreciate it; as I suspect people in hell would certainly no
longer really care anymore whether they were given an unknown pauper's
disposal in a City incinerator, or reverently placed in a grand tomb in the
National Cemetery with world-wide television coverage.

Pop Clock Update: 638 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 35,151,248 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

This thread edited to keep it on topic.