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[Michiah-Imla]

Acts 8:37
Contemporary English Version
36-37 As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said, “Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?

Compared to the King (KJV):

“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” (Acts 8:37)

Where’s this part of the text?

 

[Adventageous]

What makes people think that the KJV is “Pure English Excellence”? All it’s good for IMO, is for its proponents to sound ‘holier than thou’ and to be smug about claiming to speak that language. What if others don’t? Do you have to teach them to speak another language before you teach them what your preferred Bible translation says? What is the best way to teach the Bible? In a person’s own language.
The Bible is translated into hundreds of languages....what makes you think English is the only language that Christians speak? How many people do you know who speak archaic English?

I do not like the KJV...not because it isn’t the word of God, but because some people seem to forget that olde English has not been the vernacular in any English speaking country in the modern world for centuries. Offering a language to people who don’t speak it, (when it is actually life saving) is like presenting an unclear warning to people who may misunderstand that warning and put their lives at risk.

The whole purpose of a translation (and please bear in mind that the KJV is only a translation) is to present information in the language of the people reading it. The KJV fails to present Bible truth in the language of the majority of people in today’s world. We are nearing the end of the present world system and no one needs to have a guide book in a language they do not speak, and which is totally confusing to those unacquainted with how English was spoken back in previous centuries.

The KJB has been revised, whilst sticking to what is now, a dead language. What is the point?

How do you know what is a “weak” translation? How do you know that the KJB is not itself a “weak” translation?
Scholars argue about manuscripts......so pick your scholars. How do you know who has the correct translation? Are you yourself a scholar, or do you simply choose the ones you agree with. Why do you agree with them? It’s a circular argument......not a valid one.

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[Jim B]

This is just a NONSENSICAL observation based upon a superficial assessment of the KJV. Those who use the King James Bible have sound textual and theological reasons for sticking to this tried-and-true translation. And the last person who should say anything about this is one who uses the corrupt New World Translation (NWT) of the Watchtower Society (Aunty Jane).

Your adherence to a single English translation has caused you to become spiritually blind. If "those who use the King James Bible have sound textual and theological reasons for sticking to this tried-and-true translation", what are they?.

 

[Jim B]

What makes people think that the KJV is “Pure English Excellence”? All it’s good for IMO, is for its proponents to sound ‘holier than thou’ and to be smug about claiming to speak that language. What if others don’t? Do you have to teach them to speak another language before you teach them what your preferred Bible translation says? What is the best way to teach the Bible? In a person’s own language.
The Bible is translated into hundreds of languages....what makes you think English is the only language that Christians speak? How many people do you know who speak archaic English?

I do not like the KJV...not because it isn’t the word of God, but because some people seem to forget that olde English has not been the vernacular in any English speaking country in the modern world for centuries. Offering a language to people who don’t speak it, (when it is actually life saving) is like presenting an unclear warning to people who may misunderstand that warning and put their lives at risk.

The whole purpose of a translation (and please bear in mind that the KJV is only a translation) is to present information in the language of the people reading it. The KJV fails to present Bible truth in the language of the majority of people in today’s world. We are nearing the end of the present world system and no one needs to have a guide book in a language they do not speak, and which is totally confusing to those unacquainted with how English was spoken back in previous centuries.

The KJB has been revised, whilst sticking to what is now, a dead language. What is the point?

How do you know what is a “weak” translation? How do you know that the KJB is not itself a “weak” translation?
Scholars argue about manuscripts......so pick your scholars. How do you know who has the correct translation? Are you yourself a scholar, or do you simply choose the ones you agree with. Why do you agree with them? It’s a circular argument......not a valid one.

Great post! Very, very true!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Try reading the footnote

Actually, you are better off ignoring the footnotes in most Bibles…

 

[Jim B]

Actually, you are better off ignoring the footnotes in most Bibles…

Of course. Remaining ignorant is a virtue, correct? Not reading the footnotes re Acts 8:37 is a perfect example of this nonsensical statement. "Ignorance is bliss" -- not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Hey @Jim B

The original autographs didn’t have any footnotes. With the exception of literal renderings, the footnotes are nothing more than mans guesses and musings.

 

[Aunty Jane]

How does Acts 8:37 read in your modern version?

Please quote it.

In the KJV it reads.....”And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

Yet it is missing from other translations...and some even put it in parenthesis......why?
The footnote on some translations is....

1. Acts 8:37 Some manuscripts include here Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

And some apparently don't. It is obviously in dispute...but why is it? And what does it matter in the big scheme of things? The account about Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch is not altered whether it is included or not....he said to Phillip "what prevents me from being baptized" so obviously he accepted Jesus as the Messiah because he was a Jewish Proselyte. He was reading Isaiah when Phillip approached him. Phillip explained the scripture as to how it pertained to Jesus, and the man wanted to become a disciple. End of story.

KING JAMES BIBLE
“It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.” (1 Corinthians 5:1)


ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
“It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife.” (1 Corinthians 5:1)

“Sexual immortality” is weak.

“Fornication” is much stronger with a clear definition.

No, sorry, "sexual Immorality" is the more accurate translation because the Greek word, por·neiʹa, is a term used in the Scriptures to refer to any sexual activities forbidden in God's word. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain....spiritual adultery. (which is a charge he brought against his own people when they went after other gods.)

In our modern times it would also cover pornography and pedophilia where the dark web is full of such filth fed to the minds of deviates who then put their fantasies into practice.....who's world are we living in? (1 John 5:19)

The original autographs didn’t have any footnotes. With the exception of literal renderings, the footnotes are nothing more than mans guesses and musings.

All translations are a product of man's guesses and musings......even the KJB. The Bible explains itself if you know what it teaches as a whole, not just cherry picked verses.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

what does it matter in the big scheme of things?

Because:

“…man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” (Deuteronomy 8:3)

And:

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it...” (Deuteronomy 4:2)

"sexual Immorality" is the more accurate translation because the Greek word, por·neiʹa, is a term used in the Scriptures to refer to any sexual activities forbidden in God's word

Absolutely not.

“Sexual Immorality” can be interpreted different ways depending on how one chooses to define what is moral.

“Fornication” is static. It’s meaning cannot be changed.

 

[Aunty Jane]

This is just a NONSENSICAL observation based upon a superficial assessment of the KJV. Those who use the King James Bible have sound textual and theological reasons for sticking to this tried-and-true translation. And the last person who should say anything about this is one who uses the corrupt New World Translation (NWT) of the Watchtower Society (Aunty Jane).

You keep telling us how corrupt the NWT is Enoch.....show us some examples and I will show you some in the KJV as well.....I use a lot of different translations, not just the NWT.
Its not that the translation is incorrect, it just disagrees with the deeply entrenched ideas that the KJV promotes.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Because:

“…man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” (Deuteronomy 8:3)

And:

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it...” (Deuteronomy 4:2)

English please.....what century do you live in?

Absolutely not.

“Sexual Immorality” can be interpreted different ways depending on how one chooses to define what is moral.

“Fornication” is static. It’s meaning cannot be changed.

Nonsense, por·neiʹa, is a term used in the Scriptures to refer to any sexual activities forbidden in God's word. That includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. So the average person will not get that broader meaning just from the word "fornication" which in the minds of most people simply means sexual intercourse with someone to whom you are not married....it is not that limited in its meaning.
"Por·neiʹa, is where we get the word "pornography".

 

[Adventageous]

You keep telling us how corrupt the NWT is Enoch.....show us some examples

You got it.

Here we go.

Let's consider the so-called "translation" of the NWT, and show that it is based upon Vaticanus (B) and Sinaiticus (aleph) (one from the "desert", the other from the "secret chambers" of the Vatican vault, Matthew 24:26 KJB) even further:

The King James Bible, faithful as ever reads:

Mar 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.​

In the NWT, in Mark 9:29, it reads:

Mark 9:29 NWT - 29 He said to them: “This kind can come out only by prayer.”​

The side notation on the NWT says [bold and underline added by myself]:

"... by prayer: Some manuscripts add “and fasting.” But the earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not include “and fasting.” These words were evidently added by copyists who advocated fasting and practiced it. They repeatedly included references to fasting where these were not found in earlier copies.—See study note on Mt 17:21. ..."​

That is a total lie. Notice:

It is because of Codex Sinaiticus (aleph) (desert) and Codex Vaticanus (B) (secret vaults) (Matthew 24:26) and 0274 (pc, no cursives are cited by the N/A, or UBS), k. These (alone) leave off “and fasting”.

Yet, consider that vast evidence for “and fasting”:

“… P45​

Aleph-2​

C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, N, S, U, V, W, X, Y​

Gamma, Delta, Theta, Pi, Sigma, Phi, Psi, Omega​

Cursives: MAJORITY fam 1,13​

Old Latin: a, aur, b, d, f, f2, i, l, q, r1, Vulgate​

Syriac: Pes.hitta, (sin, old Syriac), Harclean, Palestinian​

Coptic: Sahidic, Bohairic​

Gothic: Armenian, Ethiopic​

Also extant in 047?, 055, 0211, 0233?, 0257? …” - A Closer Look: Early Manuscripts & The AV, by Jack Moorman, page 79​

It is not as the NWT notation which says "Some manuscripts", but in all practicability, all of them. It is not as the NWT notation says, "the earliest and most reliable manuscripts", but only primarily refers to Vaticanus and Sinaiticus the two most emended codices/texts on earth, and both no where near 4th C..​

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It is even found in the so called ECF:​

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Thomas Aquinas, citing Chrysostom, and Theophylact, and Bede, and Pseudo-Jerome, in Catena Aurea, states on Mark 9:29:​

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"… Chrys.:​

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They feared that perchance they had lost the grace conferred upon them; for they had already received power over unclean spirits.​

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It goes on: “And He said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing but by prayer and fasting.” …" - https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena2/catena2.iii.ix.html 2​

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“… Theophylact:​

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That is, the whole class of lunatics, or simply, of all persons possessed with devils. Both the man to be cured, and he who cures him, should fast; for a real prayer is offered up, when fasting is joined with prayer, when he who prays is sober and not heavy with food. …” - https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena2/catena2.iii.ix.html 2​

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“… Bede:​

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Further, 179 our Lord, while teaching the Apostles how the worst devil is to be expelled, gives all of us rules for our life; that is, He would have us know that all the more grievous attacks of evil spirits or of men are to be overcome by fastings and prayers; and again, that the anger of the Lord, when it is kindled for vengeance on our crimes, can be appeased by this remedy alone. …” - https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena2/catena2.iii.ix.html 2​

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“… Pseudo-Jerome:​

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Or else, the folly which is connected with the softness of the flesh, is healed by fasting; anger and laziness are healed by prayer. Each would has its own medicine, which must be applied to it; that which is used for the heel will not cure the eye; by fasting, the passions of the body, by prayer, the plagues of the soul, are healed. …” - https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena2/catena2.iii.ix.html 2​

Even the Douay Rheims has (which counters their Jerome's corrupted Vulgate):

Mar 9:29 (9:28) And he said to them: This kind can go out by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.​

Consider more from Brand Plucked, by brother Will Kinney:

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"... The words "and fasting" again are in the Majority texts, as well as Sinaiticus correction, C, D, and P45 which predates them all. The words are also found in the Old Latin, Syriac, Coptic, and the Douay version.​

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Yet because Vaticanus omits them, the NASB, NIV, ESV also omit "with fasting". But now the new Holman Christian Standard has put "with fasting" back in the text but in brackets, while the ISV again includes "with fasting" and no brackets. ..." - Another King James Bible Believer​

Additional:

"... Mark 9:29:​

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TEXT: "This kind can come out by nothing except by prayer."​

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EVIDENCE: S* B one lat​

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TRANSLATIONS: ASV RSV NASV NIV NEB TEV​

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RANK: A​

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NOTES: "This kind can come out by nothing except by prayer and fasting."​

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EVIDENCE: p45vid Sb A C D K L W X Delta Theta Pi Psi f1 f13 28 33 565 700 892 1010 1241 Byz Lect most lat vg syr(h) syr(s,p,pal) ("fasting and prayer") cop​

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TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASVn RSVn NASVn NIVn NEBn ..." - http://web.ovu.edu/terry/tc/lay05mrk.htm​

Moreover:

"... Mark 9:29​

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"and fasting" is omitted by the RV, Ne, NIV, NKJV marg., RSV, GN, LB, NASV, NSRB marg., NEB, NWT, 313. AMP italicises the words.​

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Hills (3) p 138, states that Aleph, B and the other Alexandrian manuscripts omit the words, probably owing to the influence of Alexandrian Gnostics. Berry's Greek text, reflecting the majority of manuscripts, retains the words. ..." - Manuscript Evidence for Disputed Verses​

Mark's account parallels that of Matthew's:

Mat_17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.​

Even John the Baptist, and his disciples would fast and pray:

Luk_5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?​

Further evidence in the NT includes "fasting" with "prayer" (Mat. 6:16,17, 9:15; Mar. 2:20; Luk. 5:35; Act. 10:30, 14:23; 1 Cor. 7:5:

The OT, speaks of the true "fast" from sin (Joe. 1:14; Isa. 58:1-14).

The Day of Atonement (type and antitype) is a day of fasting (afflicting of soul) (Lev. 16:29-31, 23:26-32).

For Seventh-day Adventist, even Sister White herself, (the prophet), when quoting the scripture, included "and fasting", which is in agreement with the law of God, His word.

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It is always by "prayer" "and fasting".

The NWT, and the NIV, and those like them, are of the devil, removing "and fasting", so that they are not 'cast out' of the fallen churches, who 'eat' sumptuously and many 'dainties', and drink corrupt 'wine':

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.​

 

[Adventageous]

English please.....what century do you live in?

You are simply ignorant of modern English, due to WTS restrictions on reading.

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"... Critics have accused McCarthy of standing by Santos – who voted for the California Republican 15 times for speaker earlier this month – because ousting him could diminish the Republican majority. But the speaker insists that's not true. ..." - Published, 3:53 p.m. CT Jan. 25, 2023 | Updated 4:43 p.m. CT Jan. 25, 2023 - Speaker McCarthy: Santos will be removed from Congress if ethics probe finds he broke law​

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"... The impact would theoretically be less evident in the NBA, where a higher proportion of games air nationally and team payrolls are limited by a salary cap, but the bankruptcy could diminish the league's cap number across the board. ..." - Jan. 27, 2023, USA Today 7 Hours ago - The company that broadcasts Bucks and Brewers games is reportedly headed toward bankruptcy. What does that mean for the teams?​

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"... Shawn Schenk understands the pressure that accompanies a No. 1 ranking. The Crossings Christian boys basketball coach isn't trying to diminish it. ..." - Jan. 27, 2023, 6 Hours ago, Tennessean - The Tennessean​

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"... Losing water while gaining population is not sustainable. At best, it'll lead to rationing efforts that diminish Texans' quality of life — and at worst, chronically overtaxing rivers and aquifers will cause irreparable damage to fragile ecosystems. ..." - Fri, January 27, 2023 at 5:19 AM GMT-11·3 min read - Opinion: Texas' population is booming, but the consequences are dire​

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and so on for the last 400 years.​

 

[Aunty Jane]

It is always by "prayer" "and fasting".

The NWT, and the NIV, and those like them, are of the devil, removing "and fasting", so that they are not 'cast out' of the fallen churches, who 'eat' sumptuously and many 'dainties', and drink corrupt 'wine':

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Fasting was a Jewish practice not enforced upon Christians. There is no recommendation for fasting incumbent upon Gentile disciples of Christ, just as there was no recommendation for circumcision. The old covenant was replaced by the new one.

As for quoting Ellen White.....seriously?
I came across this in my own research.....
An Adventist minister for 36 years, and who spent two years researching her writings, Pastor Walter Rea claims that: “She was a plagiarist. The evidence is so plain that he said, “I could take a truck driver off the street and he can see it.”
He states that Ellen White’s sources were often non-Adventist religious writers of the mid-1800’s and offers a number of examples to prove it. Thus far, he asserts, he has not found a major work by Ellen White that did not use a previously published source.
Pastor Rea said.... “The important thing is that she and the denomination always claimed that she didn’t copy and that she wasn’t influenced by anyone”.
Now who's lying?

Commenting on the discovery of this literary borrowing, Donald R. McAdams, once president of Southwestern Adventist College in Keene, Texas, wrote: “Ellen White is so central to the lives of Seventh-day Adventists that her words impinge on practically every area of Adventist teaching and practice. . . . To consider her words as possibly derived from someone else and not necessarily the final authority introduces an element of chaos into the very heart of Adventism that makes all of us uneasy.”

So we understand why you need to staunchly adhere to what she taught.....it has nothing to do with what scripture says...its what Ellen White says that counts...
Are you a pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Aunty Jane]

You are simply ignorant of modern English, due to WTS restrictions on reading.

What restrictions would that be? I am not aware of any. You seem to have all the answers and you don't seem to care if they are incorrect.....

"... Unforeseen departure of certain executive officers or other key employees due to retirement, health or other causes that could interrupt progress toward important strategic goals or diminish the effectiveness of certain longstanding relationships with insurance agents and others ..." - January 27, 2023 4:52 PM | 11 min read - Cincinnati Financial Corporation Announces Preliminary Results and Increased Regular Quarterly Cash Dividend-------"... Critics have accused McCarthy of standing by Santos – who voted for the California Republican 15 times for speaker earlier this month – because ousting him could diminish the Republican majority. But the speaker insists that's not true. ..." - Published, 3:53 p.m. CT Jan. 25, 2023 | Updated 4:43 p.m. CT Jan. 25, 2023 - Speaker McCarthy: Santos will be removed from Congress if ethics probe finds he broke law-------"... The impact would theoretically be less evident in the NBA, where a higher proportion of games air nationally and team payrolls are limited by a salary cap, but the bankruptcy could diminish the league's cap number across the board. ..." - Jan. 27, 2023, USA Today 7 Hours ago - The company that broadcasts Bucks and Brewers games is reportedly headed toward bankruptcy. What does that mean for the teams?-------"... Shawn Schenk understands the pressure that accompanies a No. 1 ranking. The Crossings Christian boys basketball coach isn't trying to diminish it. ..." - Jan. 27, 2023, 6 Hours ago, Tennessean - The Tennessean-------"... Losing water while gaining population is not sustainable. At best, it'll lead to rationing efforts that diminish Texans' quality of life — and at worst, chronically overtaxing rivers and aquifers will cause irreparable damage to fragile ecosystems. ..." - Fri, January 27, 2023 at 5:19 AM GMT-11·3 min read - Opinion: Texas' population is booming, but the consequences are direand so on for the last 400 years.

I have no idea what you think all that is supposed to mean to me...? All are related to politics in the USA....Is the US the world to you people?
Does nothing that goes on in the rest of the world even come into your field of vision? Do you really have your finger on the pulse of a dead or dying world system? What about the rest of the world?

 

[Adventageous]

Pastor Walter Rea claims that: “She was a plagiarist. The evidence is so plain that he said, “I could take a truck driver off the street and he can see it.”

Yeah, proven bunk by a Catholic lawyer, years ago.

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[Adventageous]

Fasting was a Jewish practice not enforced upon Christians. There is no recommendation for fasting incumbent upon Gentile disciples of Christ

Your Biblical ignorance is astounding.

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Luk_5:35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.​

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Act_13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.​

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Act_10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,​

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Act_14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.​

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Act_27:33 And while the day was coming on, Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the fourteenth day that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.​

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1Co_7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.​

 

[Adventageous]

literary borrowing

You obviously do not know the difference between 'literary borrowing' and 'plagiarizing'. They are completely separate and distinct terms, and do not mean the same thing at all. You have obviously never read the Foreward to GC by Ellen G White, where she clearly states that she is drawing from multiple sources, scripture, historic, etc.

 

[Adventageous]

I have no idea what you think all that is supposed to mean to me...?

You could pick any word in the King James Bible, and I can find it in modern English print. I even have a whole book documenting this.

 

[Adventageous]

You keep telling us how corrupt the NWT is Enoch.....show us some examples

Yet again, here we go.

Let's now consider the NWT Matthew 17:21, and show that it too follows Vaticanus and Sinaiticus:

Matthew 17:21 NWT - 21 ——

NWT Notation on Matthew 17:21 - "... Some ancient manuscripts here read: “However, this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.” (See study note on Mr 9:29.) But these words do not appear in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts and are evidently not part of the inspired Scriptures.—See App. A3. ..." - https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/17/#v40017021​

Again, that which is stated is a lie, not only referring to Mark 9:29, which is already shown to be in practically all mss, the NWT notation again false says, "these words do not appear in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, and are evidently not part of the inspired Scriptures."

The words do not occur in the following corrupted texts:

Aleph* (Sinaiticus), B (Vaticanus), Theta; pc, e, ff1, sin, cur, pal, sa, bo-pt, Eth-rom,ms​

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Sinaiticus has been edited by a scribe and placed the text back in the text, so it is in Sinaiticus by later scribe.​

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So when the WTS/JW notation says, "Some ancient manuscripts here read ...", they are attempting to negate the vast extant literature which has the text in it:

"... Aleph-2​

C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, O, S, U, V, W, X, Y​

Gamma, Delta, Pi, Sigma, Phi, Omega​

Cursives: MAJORITY, fam 1,13​

Old Latin: (a), aur, (b), (c), d, f, ff2, g1, l, (n), q, r1,2, Vulgate​

Syriac: (Pes.hitta), (Harclean)​

Coptic: Bohairic-pt, mae​

Armenian: Ethiopic-ppl​

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Also extant in 047, 055, 0211 ..." - A Closer Look: Early Manuscripts & The A.V.; by Jack Moorman, page 68​

Additionally:

"... PSEUDO-CLEMENT OF ROME, concerning Virginity (I 8:59)​

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ORIGEN, Matthew (I 10:479)​

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AMBROSE, Letters (III 10:459) ..." - Early Church Fathers And The Authorized Version, by Jack Moorman, page 40​

Even Thomas Aquinas cites these on Matthew 17:21:

"... Raban.:​

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But while He teaches the Apostles how the daemon ought to be cast out, He instructs all in615 regulation of life; that we may all know that all the heavier afflictions, whether of unclean spirits, or temptations of men, may be removed by fasts and prayers; and that the wrath also of the Lord may be appeased by this remedy alone; whence he adds, “Howbeit this kind is not cast out but by prayer and fasting.”​

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Chrys.:​

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And this He says not of lunatics in particular, but of the whole class of daemons. For fast endues with great wisdom, makes a man as an Angel from heaven, and beats down the unseen powers of evil. But there is need of prayer as even still more important. And who prays as he ought, and fasts, had need of little more, and so is not covetous, but ready to almsgiving. For he who fasts, is light and active, and prays wakefully, and quenches his evil lusts, makes God propitious, and humbles his proud stomach. And he who prays with his fasting, has two wings, lighter than the winds themselves. For he is not heavy and wandering in his prayers, (as is the case with many,) but his zeal is as the warmth of fire, and his constancy as the firmness of the earth. Such an one is most able to contend with daemons, for there is nothing more powerful than a man who prays properly.​

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But if your health be too weak for strict fast, yet is it not for prayer, and if you cannot fast, you can abstain from indulgences. And this is not a little, and not very different from fast.​

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Origen:​

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If then we shall ever be required to be employed in the healing of those who are suffering any thing of this sort, we shall not adjure them, nor ask them questions, nor even speak, as though the unclean spirit could hear us, but by our fasting and our prayers drive away the evil spirits.​

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Gloss. ord.:​

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Or; This class of daemons, that is the variety of carnal pleasures, is not overcome unless the spirit be strengthened by prayer, and the flesh enfeebled by fast.​

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Remig.:​

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Or, fasting is here understood generally as abstinence not from food only, but from all carnal allurements, and sinful passions. In like manner prayer is to be understood in general as consisting in pious and good acts, concerning which the Apostle speaks, “Pray without ceasing.” [1 Thess. 5:17] ..." - St. Thomas Aquinas: Catena Aurea - Gospel of Matthew - Christian Classics Ethereal Library​

Further information on this text may be found here -

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"... The textual evidence for the inclusion of this verse is massive and universal. It is found in the Majority of all Greek manuscripts including Sinaiticus correction, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, O, S, U, V, W, X, Y, Gamma, Delta, Pi, Sigma, Phi and Omega among the uncial or capital lettered manuscripts, and is in the Diatessaron, a compilation of the 4 gospels, which dates to around 160-175 A.D.​

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It is included in the Old Latin copies of a, aur, b, c, d, f, ff2, g1, l, n, q, r1. It is in the Latin Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Harclean, some Coptic Boharic, the Armenian, some Ethiopic, the Georgian and the Slavonic ancient versions. It is quoted by such early church writers as Origen, Asterius, Hilary, Basil, Ambrose, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine.​

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It is omitted mainly by the Vaticanus manuscript and Theta.​

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Sinaiticus original omitted the verse, but then another scribe corrected Sinaiticus and put it back in the text. ..." Another King James Bible Believer​

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See also:

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"... Burgon (14) p 91, 206 states that every extant uncial except Aleph and B and every extant cursive except one contain the verse. Of the versions, the Old Latin, Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic and Slavonic attest to the verse, with only the Curetonian Syriac and Sahidic omitting it. He cites additional ancient authorities including: 2nd Century: Tertullian; 3rd Century: Origen; 4th Century: Ambrose, Athanasius, Augustine, Basil, Chrysostom, Hilary, Juvencus; 8th Century: Clement of Syria, John Damascene.​

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Burgon also cites the Syriac version of the Canons of Eusebius and the readings of the entire Eastern Church on the l0th Sunday after Pentecost from the earliest period, in favour of the verse. Berry's Greek text supports this passage. ..." - Manuscript Evidence for Disputed Verses​

Again, sister White, for the Seventh-day Adventist, already cites this verse, as found in the KJB on several occasions.

See also the notations already given on Mark 9:29 here - Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions