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Hi Marks,
"Jesus explains that the angels in heaven actually all rejoice when a single sinner turns to God."
It seems that it is not the angels rejoicing, as, the rejoicing is "in the presence or the angels! So, I see that as the trinity rejoicing over the one lost sinner...or maybe it is simply His creation rejoicing? Hmmm....contemplation...
With 'you', no. With some theology that is incorrect, yes. I was simply trying to show you something by the question method. Jesus used that a lot when trying to help people see.
It has everything to do with the thread, which is why I asked. It is just that you do not yet see how it fits. I was just trying to show you.
I am not sure why not.
Even Roman Catholicism, even at the highest levels acknowledges what I am speaking about. They are even in contact with 'some' from other worlds now. They are the fallen ones though, masquerading in garments of light (lie-ght).
“Very soon the nations will look to Aliens for their salvation.” - Guy Consolmagno (SJ, Jesuit) – Leading Astronomer
“Jesus might be the son of a star child.” - Guy Consolmagno (SJ, Jesuit) – Leading Astronomer
“There is an Alien presence on Earth now.” - Monsignor Corrado Balducci (Vatican Spokesman, friend of the pope (now deceased))
“... that allow us to say with assurance … that the existence of these beings is real.”- Monsignor Corrado Balducci (Vatican Spokesman)
“Very soon we will not have to deny our Christian faith … but there is information coming from another world, and once it is confirmed it is going to require a re-reading of the Gospel as we know it.” - Fr. Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti (Professor, Vatican University, Opus Dei theologian of the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome)
“The highest levels of Vatican governance know what is approaching the Earth and it will be of the utmost importance in the coming years.” - Fr. Malachi Martin (SJ, Jesuit)
“Because the mentality amongst those who are at the highest levels of Vatican administration and geopolitics, know … what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years.” - Fr. Malachi Martin (SJ, Jesuit), given in an interview (1997) with Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM.
Fatima, Portugal – 1917
Pope Pius XII [1950] saw a 'sphere' over the Vatican Gardens [hence the Marian Dogma of the Assumption]
Speaking of the devil, and of what Rome knows, by experience [read carefully, and compare with your Bible]:
"Angels 'like sunlight that refracts on you through a crystal vase,' Angelogist says.
By Catholic Online (NEWS CONSORTIUM)
12/25/2013
Catholic Online
Contrary to popular belief, angels don't have wings
Angels have become more popular and mainstream with New Age thought permeating the secular world. "Angelogist" Father Renzo Lavator in Rome says that to the contrary, real angels don't have wings. Rather, "They are a bit like sunlight that refracts on you through a crystal vase."
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - Lavator also says that angels don't "look like cherubs." They are in fact more like shards of light.
"You do not see angels so much as feel their presence," he said at a recent conference. "They are a bit like sunlight that refracts on you through a crystal vase."
Speaking in Rome, he added: "I think there is a rediscovery of angels in Christianity."
The root of the word "angel" comes from "angelos" first spoken in the Mycenaean civilization in Greece more than 3,000 years ago. The word means "messenger" in ancient Greek.
Angelic visions appear in many religions and mythologies. They are usually depicted as having feathered wings on their backs and halos above their heads.
Angels are generally considered messengers of God in Christianity.
Lavator took part in a debate this week on angelic art by the Fondazione Archivio Storico, an Italian art foundation, and was held in the Vatican-owned Palazzo della Cancelleria.
"Following the cultural history of angels is following the history of humanity, or at least of our civilization," the organizers said.
"Angels have helped drive religious and philosophical thought and have given birth to sublime forms of poetic and artistic expression."
Lavator is dismissive of all the angel art presented around Christmas time. "There is space for that, but you have to understand that these are not real representations.
The widely-published Catholic clergyman is also a "demonologist." He adds that angels are more needed than ever because increasing secularization and materialism in society have left an "open door" for the devil. "There is a lot more interference from diabolical forces. That is why you see queues of people outside the exorcists' offices in churches.
"Pope Francis talks more about the devil than about angels and I think rightly so. But it's still early, he will get round to the angels too."" - [Catholic Online], also seen [here], &c
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We were warned in Scripture:
Roger Morneau [ex-Satanist/occultist] – A Trip Into The SuperNatural, Interview:
“[Time Index 01:06:48] ... one of the major deceptions of “the Last days”. Then the 'priest' [Satanic high-priest], uh, told us [Roger Morneau and friend], uh, we had – we talked for quite awhile, and uh, then he said, 'Could I have a bit more of your time, I want to tell you something very fascinating?' He says, 'The Grand Plan, the Master's [Satan] Grand Plan, for harvesting the Nations, uh, for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into His cause, just before the close of the Great Controversy, between the forces of Good and Evil.' So he [Satanic high-priest] continued, you know, after we [Roger Morneau and friend], uh, expressed ourselves, that we would be interested to know more about the activities of the “spirits” [fallen angels], and He [Satanic high-priest] said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This, this Grand Plan, is, is going to take people – people are going to EAT this stuff – cause he [Satanic high-priest] says, “Spirits, demon spirits, will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far-distant planets of the galaxies, that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth, of the impending destruction of the planet, unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it.” ...” - Time Index 01:06:48 – 01:07:54
“... Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens, in token of the power of miracle-working demons. The spirits of devils will go forth to the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to fasten them in deception, and urge them on to unite with Satan in his last struggle against the government of Heaven. By these [624] agencies, rulers and subjects will be alike deceived. Persons will arise pretending to be Christ himself, and claiming the title and worship which belong to the world's Redeemer. They will perform wonderful miracles of healing, and will profess to have revelations from Heaven contradicting the testimony of the Scriptures. {GC88 623.3}
As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. [Revelation 1:13-15.] The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air., “Christ has come! Christ has come!” The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands, and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed his disciples when he was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying, This is “the great power of God.” [Acts 8:10.] {GC88 624.1}
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast [625] and his image,—the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {GC88 624.2} ...” - The Great Controversy
As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. [Revelation 1:13-15.] The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air., “Christ has come! Christ has come!” The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands, and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed his disciples when he was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying, This is “the great power of God.” [Acts 8:10.] {GC88 624.1}
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast [625] and his image,—the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {GC88 624.2} ...” - The Great Controversy
Just trying to show you the point through questions and answers that you would be able to answer yourself from the texts, without directly telling you, but if you o not desire this method either, I will leave you be.
You are right. You do not.
I will ask another question, but you do not have to answer this either, and it is related to the OP and what I wanted to share, just from another route. The question is, how do your prayers get to Heaven and thus to God? Do you know there are specific examples in scripture of how?
CadyandZoe
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You hit the nail on the head Nancy. The 99 who "need no repentance" refers to the Pharisees who claim they need no repentance. [For the sake of his point, The Lord is taking the Pharisees' word that they need no repentance. This is not to suggest that they don't actually need to repent.] We know this because some of the Pharisees rejected the baptism of John. John was calling all of Israel to repent, and to acknowledge the need for repentance through the act of baptism. Some refused, but John warned those among the Pharisees who came for baptism to "bear fruit in keeping with repentance."
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I will ask another question, but you do not have to answer this either, and it is related to the OP and what I wanted to share, just from another route. The question is, how do your prayers get to Heaven and thus to God? Do you know there are specific examples in scripture of how?[/QUOTE]
"Jeremiah 29:12-13: “Call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you search for me with all your heart.” Prayer: “Heavenly Father, You promise when I call, You will listen, and if I search for You with my whole heart, I will find You."
James 5:16.
"Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much."
These examples go on and on as I'm sure you know. And of course we have The Lords Prayer. Which, I see as a model - first we acknowledge Him and that He resides in the highest of heavens. Then we revere Him as He is hallowed. We pray His will be done on earth as in heaven. We ask for our daily bread. We ask 'forgiveness' as we forgive others also. We ask that He keep us far from evil and temptations as we seek His will. And after any prayer, HE is given glory and honor.
Not so sure where you are going here, but prayer is a matter of the heart and very personal between us and God. And...if we know that we are praying His will then, it WILL be done.
God bless,
nancy
BTW-we HAVE been warned in scripture, all over the place about the wiles of Satan and, weather or not they are "aliens" as, the world sees and calls them, we still throw Ephesians 6 at them, same method. I know many Christians will be fooled by the imposters and, I do NOT believe every spirit so, call me skeptical if you wish, I call it being careful, very careful.
I will ask another question, but you do not have to answer this either, and it is related to the OP and what I wanted to share, just from another route. The question is, how do your prayers get to Heaven and thus to God? Do you know there are specific examples in scripture of how?[/QUOTE]
"Jeremiah 29:12-13: “Call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you search for me with all your heart.” Prayer: “Heavenly Father, You promise when I call, You will listen, and if I search for You with my whole heart, I will find You."
James 5:16.
"Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much."
These examples go on and on as I'm sure you know. And of course we have The Lords Prayer. Which, I see as a model - first we acknowledge Him and that He resides in the highest of heavens. Then we revere Him as He is hallowed. We pray His will be done on earth as in heaven. We ask for our daily bread. We ask 'forgiveness' as we forgive others also. We ask that He keep us far from evil and temptations as we seek His will. And after any prayer, HE is given glory and honor.
Not so sure where you are going here, but prayer is a matter of the heart and very personal between us and God. And...if we know that we are praying His will then, it WILL be done.
God bless,
nancy
BTW-we HAVE been warned in scripture, all over the place about the wiles of Satan and, weather or not they are "aliens" as, the world sees and calls them, we still throw Ephesians 6 at them, same method. I know many Christians will be fooled by the imposters and, I do NOT believe every spirit so, call me skeptical if you wish, I call it being careful, very careful.
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Yes, God listens, but did you study the part where angels are directly involved in recording our prayers and taking them back to Heaven, and bringing the answer from God to us from Heaven? Would you like some examples from scripture? This is to show that angels travel from this world to the world (3rd Heaven) where God is.
As I mentioned...there were other examples and yes, I know about the angels carrying prayers and answers to and from God. Also quite familiar with the fact that we do at times "entertain" angels.
Ok, sounds good. I was just trying to show the nuance of where the angels go, once they leave here (this world, earth), and go 'up' past the first heaven, and the second heaven.
Some good thoughts!Hi Marks,
"Jesus explains that the angels in heaven actually all rejoice when a single sinner turns to God."
It seems that it is not the angels rejoicing, as, the rejoicing is "in the presence or the angels! So, I see that as the trinity rejoicing over the one lost sinner...or maybe it is simply His creation rejoicing? Hmmm....contemplation...
For whatever reason, I'm hearing "Angels from the realm of glory" all the time these days. But it's making me more mindful of the angels that surround us now, watching God's grace unfold!
Much love!
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