Wrangler
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Jesus never taught the Trinity
An inconvenient fact, totally ignored by trinitarians.
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Jesus never taught the Trinity
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see the time of my coming; he saw it and was glad.”John 8:58 does not say Jesus is God. He was saying I'm the one now or I'm the one that counts now.
26 And in like manner the Spirit also helpeth our infirmity: for we know not how to pray as we ought; but the Spirit himself maketh intercession for [us] with groanings which cannot be uttered; 27 and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.Romans 8
Again, I did not see an honest response to 2 Thess 2:1-2. Be honest friend.Guess you do not actually read scripture at all.. because you fail to actually answer questions that refute your lies...
I am laughing at you and you are Not the person of the Holy Spirit.Not at argument. Revealed your mocking Spirit.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see the time of my coming; he saw it and was glad.”
57 They said to him, “You are not even fifty years old—and you have seen Abraham?”[d]
58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
59 Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and left the Temple.
30 The Father and I are one.”
31 Then the people again picked up stones to throw at him. 32 Jesus said to them, “I have done many good deeds in your presence which the Father gave me to do; for which one of these do you want to stone me?”
33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”
Isaiah 43:13 Even from eternity I am He, and none can deliver ...Bible Hub: Search, Read, Study the Bible in Many Languages › isaiah
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:
The people who understood the common languages knew he was refering to Isaiah text making himself God. That is why they picked up stones.
It is laughable to claim he did not say he is God in either passage in John.