farouk
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I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.If a person were a Jew in 70ad, they’d have suffered great tribulation
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I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.If a person were a Jew in 70ad, they’d have suffered great tribulation
Title: The Wars of the Jews or History of the Destruction of Jerusalem
Author: Flavius Josephus
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus
that would be the bottom step on a very tall ladder imoI see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.
I know Farouk, and that’s okay.I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.
Do you see Isaiah 63 as a future event?I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.
I want to be very clear about Jews. There were good figs and there were bad figs. The good figs, the ones who were of the tribe of Judah were true Jews, many of those, during the time that Jesus was here,lived in Sumeria where most of the disciples came from. Then there were those who were of Babylon who had mixed blood and just took up the religion of Jews were the bad figs.If a person were a Jew in 70ad, they’d have suffered great tribulation
I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.Do you see Isaiah 63 as a future event?
So, does this mean all Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled?I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.
I think a key is to see the church and Israel as distinct.I know Farouk, and that’s okay.
I do see Israel as distinct from the church; and Israel having a future after the church has gone.So, does this mean all Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled?
Okay thanks.I do see Israel as distinct from the church; and Israel having a future after the church has gone.
I agree with that statement, where do you suppose Paul received the revelation of this mystery?I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.
The New Testament truly is new revelation. Without the Apostles, the faithful Jewish remnant would not have had a body of revealed truth about the new entity that came into being at Pentecost.I agree with that statement, where do you suppose Paul received the revelation of this mystery?
That’s all good, I’ve came to believe that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.YW; I guess it's clear I'm dispensational.
There are new elements also, IMHO.That’s all good, I’ve came to believe that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.
The Apostles did not simply preach the Old Testament. Although they did indeed do this. There was also truly new revelation as the Spirit of God led them. I don't see the church as an institutional continuation of Israel; it's something fundamentally different, that started at Pentecost.Such as?
I agree, but that doesn’t mean that revelation of this mystery isn’t concealed in the Old Testament.The Apostles did not simply preach the Old Testament. Although they did indeed do this. There was also truly new revelation as the Spirit of God led them. I don't see the church as an institutional continuation of Israel; it's something fundamentally different, that started at Pentecost.