hermeneutics, How it has Changed my Life

[farouk]

If a person were a Jew in 70ad, they’d have suffered great tribulation

I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Title: The Wars of the Jews or History of the Destruction of Jerusalem

Author: Flavius Josephus
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus

thanks. Who is Herman?

 

[bbyrd009]

and who is josephus, anyway? sounds roman to me

I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.

that would be the bottom step on a very tall ladder imo

 

[Waiting on him]

I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.

I know Farouk, and that’s okay.

 

[Waiting on him]

I see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 as a future event after the church has been raptured.

Do you see Isaiah 63 as a future event?

 

[hermeneutics]

If a person were a Jew in 70ad, they’d have suffered great tribulation

I want to be very clear about Jews. There were good figs and there were bad figs. The good figs, the ones who were of the tribe of Judah were true Jews, many of those, during the time that Jesus was here,lived in Sumeria where most of the disciples came from. Then there were those who were of Babylon who had mixed blood and just took up the religion of Jews were the bad figs.

King Herod the Great (sic), who had all of the children under two years killed, was not a true Jew.

 

[farouk]

Do you see Isaiah 63 as a future event?

I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.

 

[Waiting on him]

I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.

So, does this mean all Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled?

 

[farouk]

I know Farouk, and that’s okay.

I think a key is to see the church and Israel as distinct.

 

[farouk]

So, does this mean all Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled?

I do see Israel as distinct from the church; and Israel having a future after the church has gone.

 

[Waiting on him]

I do see Israel as distinct from the church; and Israel having a future after the church has gone.

Okay thanks.

 

[Waiting on him]

I don't see the church in the Old Testament, period. It's a revealed mystery, as per Ephesians 1.

I agree with that statement, where do you suppose Paul received the revelation of this mystery?

 

[farouk]

I agree with that statement, where do you suppose Paul received the revelation of this mystery?

The New Testament truly is new revelation. Without the Apostles, the faithful Jewish remnant would not have had a body of revealed truth about the new entity that came into being at Pentecost.

 

[farouk]

Okay thanks.

YW; I guess it's clear I'm dispensational.

 

[Waiting on him]

YW; I guess it's clear I'm dispensational.

That’s all good, I’ve came to believe that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.

 

[farouk]

That’s all good, I’ve came to believe that the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.

There are new elements also, IMHO.

 

[Waiting on him]

There are new elements also, IMHO.

Such as?

 

[farouk]

Such as?

The Apostles did not simply preach the Old Testament. Although they did indeed do this. There was also truly new revelation as the Spirit of God led them. I don't see the church as an institutional continuation of Israel; it's something fundamentally different, that started at Pentecost.

 

[Waiting on him]

The Apostles did not simply preach the Old Testament. Although they did indeed do this. There was also truly new revelation as the Spirit of God led them. I don't see the church as an institutional continuation of Israel; it's something fundamentally different, that started at Pentecost.

I agree, but that doesn’t mean that revelation of this mystery isn’t concealed in the Old Testament.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus continually asks, have you not read? We have to understand all whom He was speaking too... had neither the Spirit of God nor the narrative.