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Holy War Fate of Non-Muslims

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by Christina, Oct 22, 2006.

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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(kriss)
    AmmuslimWe are discussing things of very passionte feelings here on both sides I realize you are at a disatvantage on a Christian site However I will ask you that you keep your arguments directed to the post and attempt not to attack the character of the person posteing as part of your defence. You must know by your choice to come here that we do not accept Islam as our religion.This is not against you or any particular person but you cant be surprised when someone points out what they see as differences between what God says in our book and Mohammand says in yours.Do you not do the same ? You are allowed to defend yourself BUT NOT BY PERSONAL ATTACKS Staff
    Dear Kriss, i ask for your forgiveness to my brother ammuslim, i think he just want to give an example, if you seing all of his statement, i think he just want to give an example not more than that.If that's not allow, then please forgive him, thanks [​IMG].Wallahu a'lam.
     
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    get him kriss=kudos
     
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    I bet with your kind personality, you might allow your daughter to get raped (God forbade) infront of your eyes because you were told to love your enemy!! Will you not even defend your daughter from such person? Will you not die for that cause if it was necessary?
    You are right! Jesus tells His followers to love our enemy. Most churches dont follow "love your enemy" teachings. thats why they apporve and join the military. But I dont just watch evil and do nothing. I do anything without killing anyone. there is a huge difference my friend. You have to have enormous faith to practice "love your enemy". That's why YHWH and Jesus are called "Love". Yes, my family and I are ready to die for Jesus and not by killing anyone.
    Jesus when he said love your enemy, he simply meant to show courage to them, to be nice to them even if they don’t like you, but if they intended to destroy you and your faith, then fight them back to make God’s words most high.
    You are as wrong as most of churches. Jesus is not saying to kill your enemy for your faith, that is twisting Jesus' word. Jesus is only saying love our enemy and not kill our enemy. It is so simple, my friend.Love, hitomi
     
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    wow= that person can post that and not get a warning=public admonishment=i got one because i called someone functionally illiterate. who posted that hitomi? that is horrible, really!denver must be at church, and where is kriss?
     
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    wow= that person can post that and not get a warning=public admonishment=i got one because i called someone functionally illiterate. who posted that hitomi? that is horrible, really!denver must be at church, and where is kriss?
    I am only stating my faith, Tim. I am Christian, too. I know most of the churches calles me cult, non-believer and anti-christ. You have to let Jesus judge me and not anyone else.love, hitomi
     
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    hitomi i am defending you=hello!!! that guy that made that rape remark, i hope that was not you! that was over the line!IMHO
     
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    You are right! Jesus tells His followers to love our enemy. Most churches dont follow "love your enemy" teachings. thats why they apporve and join the military. But I dont just watch evil and do nothing. I do anything without killing anyone. there is a huge difference my friend. You have to have enormous faith to practice "love your enemy". That's why YHWH and Jesus are called "Love". Yes, my family and I are ready to die for Jesus and not by killing anyone.You are as wrong as most of churches. Jesus is not saying to kill your enemy for your faith, that is twisting Jesus' word. Jesus is only saying love our enemy and not kill our enemy. It is so simple, my friend.Love, hitomi
    I thank you for answering the questions that were directed to me and my personality even though I chose NOT to !!!
     
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    AmmuslimWe are discussing things of very passionte feelings here on both sides I realize you are at a disatvantage on a Christian site However I will ask you that you keep your arguments directed to the post and attempt not to attack the character of the person posteing as part of your defence. You must know by your choice to come here that we do not accept Islam as our religion.This is not against you or any particular person but you cant be surprised when someone points out what they see as differences between what God says in our book and Mohammand says in yours.Do you not do the same ? You are allowed to defend yourself BUT NOT BY PERSONAL ATTACKS Staff
    Thanks sister Kriss, Bless you [​IMG]
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Kriss, i ask for your forgiveness to my brother ammuslim, i think he just want to give an example, if you seing all of his statement, i think he just want to give an example not more than that.If that's not allow, then please forgive him, thanks [​IMG].Wallahu a'lam.
    Thanks Ricky for your explaination too, indeed there was no better way for him to explain / defend, without giving personal examples, as per his faith [​IMG]Thank God we are not muslims as it would then mean an eye for an eye, making the whole world blind [​IMG]
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
    Thanks Ricky for your explaination too, indeed there was no better way for him to explain / defend, without giving personal examples, as per his faith [​IMG]
    You are welcome, i think it was the one way to get others people tourch by giving those example. And it is the same think that perhaps he felt by giving those sample, perhaps even more than that. But once again if that very un welcome nor very not the better way, i do hope you got the point from what he want to show, and forgive him if that hearting you all [​IMG].
    Thank God we are not muslims as it would then mean an eye for an eye, making the whole world blind [​IMG]
    Oh common amy, don't be like that, you don't have to blashpemy Islam by giving those rule. Is itn't if you do that, thats mean you are also blashpemy God who had revealed those law to Moses. So God law can make world blind (correct me if i'm wrong) ?Wallahu a'lam.
     
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    Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
    AmmuslimWe are discussing things of very passionte feelings here on both sides I realize you are at a disatvantage on a Christian site However I will ask you that you keep your arguments directed to the post and attempt not to attack the character of the person posteing as part of your defence.
    Thanks for your warning, but please note that I was not attacking Amy at all (although I already apologized to her if she misunderstood my analogy) I was only giving her an example about the teaching of Jesus “love your enemy” but she was not able to get my point. And so I did apologized anyway. Now please let us know what does the board rules have said about quoting verses without mentioning the exact source?
    You must know by your choice to come here that we do not accept Islam as our religion.
    And I don’t expect you or anyone to accept Islam; I’ve made it clear that my intention by coming here is to gain more knowledge about Christianity. But please bear in mind that it is my duty as a Muslim to answer questions about Islam, especially if somebody asked or make some allegations against my faith, and I guess you would do the same thing if you joined an Islamic forums. And so, in your forums rules to Non Christians, you have already makes it clear that this forum is about asking questions BY NON CHRISTIANS, but you have not warned any Christian here NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM as Amy did on the other threads of prophethood.. You have also mentioned, that this forum is not about attacking either the Christian faith or any single Christian, but as you can see, sister Amy’s purpose is to bash Islam and the followers of this religion, but you have not warned her at all. we are not seeking anything but respect so please take action against such threads that was dedicated for bashing our faith. Thanks.
    This is not against you or any particular person but you cant be surprised when someone points out what they see as differences between what God says in our book and Mohammand says in yours.Do you not do the same ? You are allowed to defend yourself BUT NOT BY PERSONAL ATTACKS Staff
    Believe me I wasn’t attacking anyone; I was defending my faith which was attacked by Amy. I was also asking her to provide the reference of her quotations but she mocked me, look what was her reply to my innocent question:That was my question:
    Which books are you quoting from? You only mentioned the volume # but you haven’t quote us the book name, is it Bukhari, Muslim or what exactly?
    And that was her answer:
    So you have many books? That's news Aren't you suppose to issue Fatwa if they may exsist ?
    Don’t you think that this is a mockery to my person? But I wasnt offended at all, I am only asking fo justice now, if you consider my example to be as attack on Amy’s person, then please tell me what do you consider her answer to my simple question?Thanks for your patience. Salamammuslim
     
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    Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.(Amy;16542)
    So you have many books? That's news [​IMG]Aren't you suppose to issue Fatwa if they may exsist ?
    Please note, that when you quote something then attribute it to any religion, you should at least mention the reference of that religion book of authority so that we can verify the source; otherwise, no matter what you are trying to promote here, without mentioning the references, it carry no weight at all. And I guess your fellow Christians would agree with me. The Qur'an doesnt have any VOLUMS, it should be quoted as CHAPTER NO, and VERSE NO. so i was asking you what books are you quoting from? there was no need at all to reply me with this sort of mockery.Now regarding the personal attack, I wasn’t attacking you at all, you misunderstand my point, I was only giving you an example about loving your enemy, if that hurts you, please do accept my apology, but it was not my intention at all to hurt your feelings. Salamammuslim
     
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    Thank God we are not muslims as it would then mean an eye for an eye, making the whole world blind [​IMG]
    Oh common amy, don't be like that, you don't have to blashpemy Islam by giving those rule. Is itn't if you do that, thats mean you are also blashpemy God who had revealed those law to Moses. So God law can make world blind (correct me if i'm wrong)?Here we aren't "blaspheme" Islam at all, we are exposing false religions, that steals the souls of many that wants Truth. And Islam has a false god, that can't stand up for itself. We do not have the same thing.(ammuslim)
    And I don’t expect you or anyone to accept Islam; I’ve made it clear that my intention by coming here is to gain more knowledge about Christianity. But please bear in mind that it is my duty as a Muslim to answer questions about Islam, especially if somebody asked or make some allegations against my faith, and I guess you would do the same thing if you joined an Islamic forums. And so, in your forums rules to Non Christians, you have already makes it clear that this forum is about asking questions BY NON CHRISTIANS, but you have not warned any Christian here NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM as Amy did on the other threads of prophethood.. You have also mentioned, that this forum is not about attacking either the Christian faith or any single Christian, but as you can see, sister Amy’s purpose is to bash Islam and the followers of this religion, but you have not warned her at all. we are not seeking anything but respect so please take action against such threads that was dedicated for bashing our faith. Thanks.
    You could say that, but you see, she is exposing false religions that stole the souls of many. The truth needs to be out. And Father gives us discernment to see if it is whether from God or not.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.(thesuperjag;16707)
    Here we aren't "blaspheme" Islam at all, we are exposing false religions, that steals the souls of many that wants Truth. And Islam has a false god, that can't stand up for itself. We do not have the same thing.You could say that, but you see, she is exposing false religions that stole the souls of many. The truth needs to be out. And Father gives us discernment to see if it is whether from God or not.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    This is not the aim and purpose of this forum, the forum’s rule specifically states that this forum is for QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED BY NON CHRISTIANS. It does not say that YOU CHRISTIANS SHOULD IN ANYWAY expose so called lies about Islam.
    This forum is open to both Christians and NonChristians. The purpose of this forum is for legitimate questions to be asked by those who are not saved through Christ. This forum is heavily moderated for the protection of those who visit the forum and anything offensive will be removed and the offender(s) will be banned without question.Let it be known that this forum is not for arguing nor for attacking either the Christian faith or any single Christian. If you've come to this forum because you desire to "enlighten" us Christians, you're merely wasting your time. If you've come here solely to debate, this probably is not the place for you either. There are locations all across the internet that welcome this type of discussion. Christianity Board is not one of them.With that being said, we welcome true questions of those who genuninely desire to know more.
    [url="http://www.christianityboard.com/notice-all-nonchristians-t2556.html]http://www.christianityboard.com/notice-al...ians-t2556.html[/url]So as you can see, the only purpose of this forum is questions to be raised by Non Christians, not to expose and provoke people from other faiths. PLUS:There is no any forum here which was dedicated to expose lies about other faiths. Salamammuslim
     
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    Here we aren't "blaspheme" Islam at all, we are exposing false religions, that steals the souls of many that wants Truth. And Islam has a false god, that can't stand up for itself. We do not have the same thing.You could say that, but you see, she is exposing false religions that stole the souls of many. The truth needs to be out. And Father gives us discernment to see if it is whether from God or not.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    This is not the aim and purpose of this forum, the forum’s rule specifically states that this forum is for QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED BY NON CHRISTIANS. It does not say that YOU CHRISTIANS SHOULD IN ANYWAY expose so called lies about Islam. Well, hey, no need to get angry, but whatever suits your boat...We tend to give out Truth, nothing but the Truth from the Living God. YHWH...Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.(thesuperjag;16713)
    Well, hey, no need to get angry, but whatever suits your boat...We tend to give out Truth, nothing but the Truth from the Living God. YHWH...Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Where did I get angry brother? I am only trying to explain forums rules, if you want to attack, expose lies about Islam etc… then ask the admin to establish a new forum to serve this matter, in such case, we will be there also to clarify and defend our faith (if it will be allowed) . Salamammuslim
     
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    Well, hey, no need to get angry, but whatever suits your boat...We tend to give out Truth, nothing but the Truth from the Living God. YHWH...Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    Where did I get angry brother? I am only trying to explain forums rules, if you want to attack, expose lies about Islam etc… then ask the admin to establish a new forum to serve this matter, in such case, we will be there also to clarify and defend our faith (if it will be allowed) .SalamammuslimOk, let me explain, everytime I see an all cap lock, I always get the impression of someone getting angry...so it's easy for me to see that mistake that you are not angry. I don't know if you are allowed to read the Christian side of the forums, but we were also attacked by other "Christians" and we say truth (not attacking) and defend what is right, our Faith and reach the lost.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.(thesuperjag;16718)
    Ok, let me explain, everytime I see an all cap lock, I always get the impression of someone getting angry...so it's easy for me to see that mistake that you are not angry. I don't know if you are allowed to read the Christian side of the forums, but we were also attacked by other "Christians" and we say truth (not attacking) and defend what is right, our Faith and reach the lost.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    I use the cap lock only for adding emphasizes. [​IMG]Yes, its your right to defend your faith if you were attacked, as it is also the Muslims rights to do the same thing. But the main purpose of this forum is not about debates, comparison or anything of that kind. It is about questions to be asked by Non Christians, so I see the 2 threads of Kriss and Amy irrelevant to that main purpose. Salamammuslim
     
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    Dear Ricky and Ammuslim [​IMG]I have had many opportunities to get personal to you both. But that is not my intention. As fellow human I respect you both.Having said that as much as it is your duty to defend your religion, it is mine to fight against the false teachings of Islam. It is the only religion that involves / adds to the christian Holy book. As per my religion to add, change or twists the Holy scripture is a sin and only the way of satan. Therefore, it is my duty being a christian to unveil such false teachings and I will continue doing that. Yes, I attack your religion but I don't bring in your mothers, daughters or sisters as an example and please don't even consider that in my crusade I will get that low. Please learn the difference ! If you choose to continue bringing in my daughter in your defence, then you have my sympathy and I leave it to the management. It really won't make much difference to my spirit. In future I will avoid your replies and continue with my work [​IMG]Amen !
     
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    Now regarding the personal attack, I wasn’t attacking you at all, you misunderstand my point, I was only giving you an example about loving your enemy, if that hurts you, please do accept my apology, but it was not my intention at all to hurt your feelings.
    Bad example my friend [​IMG] You must practice your social manners !And please, of all the people YOU shouldn't preach what Jesus said about forgiveness. If at all, you should frist learn.
     
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