How Big Will The New Jerusalem Be? (Pick only one answer)

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Zechariah 14
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The armies of antichrist chase the Israelites through this valley . . . just like the Egyptians chased them through the sea . . . with similar result . . . the winepress of God's wrath.

What will it look like? A mountain closing over the armies, their blood running out like a river as they are smashed like ripe grapes.

Much love!
Grapes grow on a vine.
 
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It is amazing how otherwise seemingly intelligent men think Revelation 21:2 was speaking about a town.
Hi Willie,

What amazes me is that so many think it's not about the heavenly city. Why wouldn't it be?

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So since the earth is a sphere, how does His light from Israel shine to the opposite side of the globe?
The light of God does not shine from Israel. What gave you that idea?

The New Jerusalem will be a unique heavenly body (just better than the sun) which will give light to the earth (Rev 21:23,24).

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
 
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The very real New Jerusalem is 1500 miles square.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Revelation 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Revelation 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Revelation 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
The new Jerusalem will be the home of God with His family(all believers) for all eternity!!PTL.
 
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The light of God does not shine from Israel. What gave you that idea?

The New Jerusalem will be a unique heavenly body (just better than the sun) which will give light to the earth (Rev 21:23,24).

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Ok, so you see it as hovering over the earth, will the earth rotate around it or will it be rotating around the earth? Keep in mind the earth isn’t flat.
 

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Your habit of taking Scriptures out of context does little for your credibility, but adds a lot to spiritual confusion
It’s understandable...sometimes my family and friends doesn't think my behavior does much for my credibility that I’m a follower of Christ.

In your quotation Peter is speaking of believers on earth during the Church Age. The topic is the New Jerusalem for the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Are you expecting an heavenly body?

A city is not a town and a heavenly city designed and constructed by God is not like any city on earth

again, says a lot. ”and a heavenly city designed and constructed by God is not like any city on earth.” Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.



By faith he [Abraham] sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles [tents] with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
 
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The New Jerusalem will be a unique heavenly body (just better than the sun) which will give light to the earth (Rev 21:23,24).

says a lot. “A unique heavenly body(just better than the sun) which will give light to the earth.”


Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

1 Corinthians 15:48-49 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more (Increasing)unto the perfect day.

Ephesians 4:12-15 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 2:21-22 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Shall walk in the light of it :1 John 1:5-7 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. [6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
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The light of God does not shine from Israel. What gave you that idea?

The New Jerusalem will be a unique heavenly body (just better than the sun) which will give light to the earth (Rev 21:23,24).

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Does this scripture in your opinion say there is no sun or moon, or does it say there’s no need for it?
Interestingly the lake of fire has day and night according to scripture, does this mean there is a sun and moon in the lake of fire?

Also is there a sun and moon in heaven where God sits on His throne?

Revelation 7:15 KJV
[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.


Tecarta Bible
 

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This is from something I have often suggested here:

A more significant reason for the need to interpret lies in the nature of Scripture itself. Historically the church has understood the nature of Scripture much the same as it has understood the person of Christ — the Bible is at the same time both human and divine. As Professor George Ladd once put it: “The Bible is the Word of God given in the words of [people] in history.” It is this dual nature of the Bible that demands of us the task of interpretation.

Because the Bible is God’s Word, it has eternal relevance; it speaks to all humankind, in every age and in every culture. Because it is God’s Word, we must listen — and obey. But because God chose to speak his Word through human words in history, every book in the Bible also has historical particularity; each document is conditioned by the language, time, and culture in which it was originally written (and in some cases also by the oral history it had before it was written down). Interpretation of the Bible is demanded by the “tension” that exists between its eternal relevance and its historical particularity.

There are some, of course, who believe that the Bible is merely a human book, and that it contains only words of people in history. For these people the task of interpreting is limited to historical inquiry. Their interest, as with Cicero or Milton, is with the religious ideas of the Jews, Jesus, or the early church. The task for them, therefore, is purely a historical one. What did these words mean to the people who wrote them? What did they think about God? How did they understand themselves?

On the other hand, there are those who think of the Bible only in terms of its eternal relevance. Because it is God’s Word, they tend to think of it only as a collection of propositions to be believed and imperatives to be obeyed — although invariably, there is a great deal of picking and choosing among the propositions and imperatives. There are, for example, Christians who, on the basis of Deuteronomy 22:5 (“A woman must not wear men’s clothing,” NIV), argue literally that a woman should not wear slacks or shorts. But the same people seldom take literally the other imperatives in that list, which include building a parapet around the roof of one’s house (v. 8), not planting two kinds of seeds in a vineyard (v. 9), and making tassels on the four corners of one’s cloak (v. 12).

The Bible, however, is not a series of propositions and imperatives; it is not simply a collection of “Sayings from Chairman God,” as though he looked down at us from heaven and said: “Hey, you down there, learn these truths. Number 1, There is no God but One, and I am he. Number 2, I am the Creator of all things, including humankind” — and so on, all the way through proposition number 7,777 and imperative number 777.

These propositions, of course, are true; and they are found in the Bible (though not quite in that form). Indeed, such a book might have made many things easier for us. But, fortunately, that is not how God chose to speak to us. Rather, he chose to speak his eternal truths within the particular circumstances and events of human history. This also is what gives us hope. Precisely because God chose to speak in the context of real human history, we may take courage that these same words will speak again and again in our own “real” history, as they have throughout the history of the church.

The fact that the Bible has a human side is our encouragement; it is also our challenge, and is the reason that we need to interpret. Two things should be noted in this regard:

1. In speaking through real persons, in a variety of circumstances, over a 1500-year period, God’s Word was expressed in the vocabulary and thought patterns of those persons and conditioned by the culture of those times and circumstances. That is to say, God’s Word to us was first of all, his Word to them. If they were going to hear it, it could only have come through events and in language they could have understood. Our problem is that we are so far removed from them in time, and sometimes in thought. This is the major reason one needs to learn to interpret the Bible. If God’s Word about women wearing men’s clothing or people having parapets around houses is to speak to us, we first need to know what it said to its original hearers — and why.

Thus, the task of interpreting involves the student/reader at two levels. First, one has to hear the Word they heard; he or she must try to understand what was said to them back then and there. Second, one must learn to hear that same Word in the here and now. We will say more about these two tasks below.

2. One of the most important aspects of the human side of the Bible is that to communicate his Word to all human conditions, God chose to use almost every available kind of communication: narrative history, genealogies, chronicles, laws of all kinds, poetry of all kinds, proverbs, prophetic oracles, riddles, drama, biographical sketches, parables, letters, sermons, and apocalypses.

To interpret properly the “then and there” of the biblical texts, one must not only know some general rules that apply to all the words of the Bible, but one needs to learn the special rules that apply to each of these literary forms (genres). The way God communicates his Word to us in the “here and now” will often differ from one form to another. For example, we need to know how a psalm, a form that was often addressed to God, functions as God’s Word to us, and how psalms differ from the “laws,” which were often addressed to people in cultural situations no longer in existence. How do such “laws” speak to us, and how do they differ from the moral “laws,” which are always valid in all circumstances? Such are the questions the dual nature of the Bible forces upon us.


I agree with much of what you say on interpretation of the bible, looking at the culture, the time frame, history etc. On Revelations 21:2 can you clarify what you mean this to be? I believe it is a Spiritual/Heavenly (not of our present world we live in) City in the future and we have not yet seen this. This will be the New City of Jerusalem that is created with the New Earth.....after all the old things (this present Earth) are destroyed by God himself. Everything, Earth and Jerusalem, will be created NEW.

Bless You!

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Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions and Wants Christians To Just Die!!
 
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As the mud and stone earthly town of Jerusalem was considered the heart of God's existence to the Jews, (though we know God didn't reside in that speck on the map), so I think the vision John saw was to be the concentration of the awareness of God's presence on Earth after the Jewish system of sacrifice was replaced with Christianity. (the church) In no way do I believe it was to be a far Eastern location built to house people in that land of desert like a huge ghetto-style apartment complex.
 
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thats what happens when symbolic terms are altered to suit i guess. Cant Quote "1500 miles" from anywhere that i can tell, except from a scribe maybe?

Just know one thing. We will never be able to understand fully the mind of God, Christ, our Creator. We have minds like an "ANT" compared to his.....and this is giving us even more credit than we deserve lol. And let's dare not put God in a BOX, thinking we know his every move or idea. I do believe Christ is perfect and his Word, the Bible is perfect. He is not the Jesus Christ of Chaos. HE WILL BRING SATAN TO HIS KNEES ONE DAY! For me to say his Word (Bible) is imperfect and chaotic is to disrespect his, Jesus Christ, perfection.
 
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This is from something I have often suggested here:

A more significant reason for the need to interpret lies in the nature of Scripture itself. Historically the church has understood the nature of Scripture much the same as it has understood the person of Christ — the Bible is at the same time both human and divine. As Professor George Ladd once put it: “The Bible is the Word of God given in the words of [people] in history.” It is this dual nature of the Bible that demands of us the task of interpretation.

Because the Bible is God’s Word, it has eternal relevance; it speaks to all humankind, in every age and in every culture. Because it is God’s Word, we must listen — and obey. But because God chose to speak his Word through human words in history, every book in the Bible also has historical particularity; each document is conditioned by the language, time, and culture in which it was originally written (and in some cases also by the oral history it had before it was written down). Interpretation of the Bible is demanded by the “tension” that exists between its eternal relevance and its historical particularity.

There are some, of course, who believe that the Bible is merely a human book, and that it contains only words of people in history. For these people the task of interpreting is limited to historical inquiry. Their interest, as with Cicero or Milton, is with the religious ideas of the Jews, Jesus, or the early church. The task for them, therefore, is purely a historical one. What did these words mean to the people who wrote them? What did they think about God? How did they understand themselves?

On the other hand, there are those who think of the Bible only in terms of its eternal relevance. Because it is God’s Word, they tend to think of it only as a collection of propositions to be believed and imperatives to be obeyed — although invariably, there is a great deal of picking and choosing among the propositions and imperatives. There are, for example, Christians who, on the basis of Deuteronomy 22:5 (“A woman must not wear men’s clothing,” NIV), argue literally that a woman should not wear slacks or shorts. But the same people seldom take literally the other imperatives in that list, which include building a parapet around the roof of one’s house (v. 8), not planting two kinds of seeds in a vineyard (v. 9), and making tassels on the four corners of one’s cloak (v. 12).

The Bible, however, is not a series of propositions and imperatives; it is not simply a collection of “Sayings from Chairman God,” as though he looked down at us from heaven and said: “Hey, you down there, learn these truths. Number 1, There is no God but One, and I am he. Number 2, I am the Creator of all things, including humankind” — and so on, all the way through proposition number 7,777 and imperative number 777.

These propositions, of course, are true; and they are found in the Bible (though not quite in that form). Indeed, such a book might have made many things easier for us. But, fortunately, that is not how God chose to speak to us. Rather, he chose to speak his eternal truths within the particular circumstances and events of human history. This also is what gives us hope. Precisely because God chose to speak in the context of real human history, we may take courage that these same words will speak again and again in our own “real” history, as they have throughout the history of the church.

The fact that the Bible has a human side is our encouragement; it is also our challenge, and is the reason that we need to interpret. Two things should be noted in this regard:

1. In speaking through real persons, in a variety of circumstances, over a 1500-year period, God’s Word was expressed in the vocabulary and thought patterns of those persons and conditioned by the culture of those times and circumstances. That is to say, God’s Word to us was first of all, his Word to them. If they were going to hear it, it could only have come through events and in language they could have understood. Our problem is that we are so far removed from them in time, and sometimes in thought. This is the major reason one needs to learn to interpret the Bible. If God’s Word about women wearing men’s clothing or people having parapets around houses is to speak to us, we first need to know what it said to its original hearers — and why.

Thus, the task of interpreting involves the student/reader at two levels. First, one has to hear the Word they heard; he or she must try to understand what was said to them back then and there. Second, one must learn to hear that same Word in the here and now. We will say more about these two tasks below.

2. One of the most important aspects of the human side of the Bible is that to communicate his Word to all human conditions, God chose to use almost every available kind of communication: narrative history, genealogies, chronicles, laws of all kinds, poetry of all kinds, proverbs, prophetic oracles, riddles, drama, biographical sketches, parables, letters, sermons, and apocalypses.

To interpret properly the “then and there” of the biblical texts, one must not only know some general rules that apply to all the words of the Bible, but one needs to learn the special rules that apply to each of these literary forms (genres). The way God communicates his Word to us in the “here and now” will often differ from one form to another. For example, we need to know how a psalm, a form that was often addressed to God, functions as God’s Word to us, and how psalms differ from the “laws,” which were often addressed to people in cultural situations no longer in existence. How do such “laws” speak to us, and how do they differ from the moral “laws,” which are always valid in all circumstances? Such are the questions the dual nature of the Bible forces upon us.

Many thanks Bill.
I found your post to be vitally corrective of my hitherto overview of Scripture.
 

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An yet right here we have people reading the bible and have Chaos.... You could go tell BOL that his interpretation of the bible is wrong..

Forgive me, Acronyms are the death of me. What does BOL stand for?
 

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Oh you havnt met Him yet, Im sure you will, you will find crushed skulls and broken limbs wherever he goes, arguing about the bible,
 

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Oh you havnt met Him yet, Im sure you will, you will find crushed skulls and broken limbs wherever he goes, arguing about the bible,

Are You really sure I will meet your Friend? You talk like you know this EVIL "BOL" personally?
Are you speaking of Demons? Why would you bring up demons in a Christian Forum?

Are you threatening me with some Demon? Jesus will take care of Bol and you.


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