quietthinker
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My attention is on you and your words, not manchurian's.
Maybe you could give my question a look at?
How can there be life after death?
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Maybe you could give my question a look at?
My attention is on him and his words.
Others might be interested in discussing your question. Why don’t you start a thread on it?
quietthinker
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I’ve already discussed it with others.
I’m trying to save a soul; a soul that you aren’t interested in.
The dead are no longer alive. It is called the sleep of the dead.
We wait to be resurrected to life.
So, soul sleep then? Why do you think so many Christians reject that idea?
You will not be waiting long. Time passes instantly when you're asleep.
You are a soul. A mortal soul. Immortality is a gift.
The influence of Greek philosophy.
The dead who belong to Jesus will wait until he returns. The dead who don’t belong to Jesus will wait an additional 1,000 years.
The dead are unaware of the passage of time.
What do you mean? You don't think it's because they don't like the idea of being dead? I ask because most Christians, people like Frank Turek, believe that it goes like this: death > instantly with Jesus.
Time has no meaning when you're unconscious. 1,000 years is no different than 3 billion.
I mean paganism.
Their idea of being dead is that they are still alive; only the shell / husk (the body) is dead.
They are reading Paul and leaving out resurrection.
That’s right.
Do you believe there are aspects of paganism that Christians prefer?
I agree.
But why? Why do they want to believe their soul doesn't die?
And so there is no waiting. Death > instantly with Jesus. Soul sleep or no, the result is the same in terms of time. The only difference between the two beliefs is the status of the soul after bodily death.
Not anymore.
I believe he was.
Prefer to what?
They believe it is the truth.
Paul himself is a resurrection man. Resurrection necessitates waiting.
Humans don’t exist without bodies.
Thanks. Do you think he ever was a human person?
God cannot die.
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quietthinker
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Because they believe Satan's lie, 'you will not surely die' Genesis 3:4
To Christian ideas like soul sleep.
It's about perspective. There would be no sense of waiting for the person being resurrected. Death > instantly resurrected.
What if God wanted to die? Are you saying there's something we can do that God can't?
Then yes.
Paul’s perspective is that humans are mortal and God is immortal.
Jesus wasn’t instantly resurrected. He was dead and in the grave / tomb for three days and three nights.
Did God ever say that he wanted to die?
God is immortal. Immortals, by definition, don’t die. Mortals, by definition, are appointed to die.
I wasn’t, but there is.
Returning to Jesus, do you think he was ever a human person?
What you said is the right way, the right sense, the proper perspective, to read Paul. To the dead person who is resurrected, it will seem instantaneous - like a blink of an eye - when in fact it may have been thousands of years that have passed.
What you said is the wrong way, the wrong sense, the improper perspective, to read Paul - IF you are someone who believes you are (or have) an immortal soul. The dead person isn’t resurrected; the dead person is still alive and, therefore, must immediately go somewhere -> to heaven / to Jesus, or to purgatory, or to “hell” (gehenna).
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