How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[Justified]

^THIS verse undermines all those who oppose Christian Nationalism for they are workers of lawlessness.

Not at all. Christian nationalism is an oxymoron and as such has nothing to do with Christianity, nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with the Bible. As such, that verse fits “Christian” nationalists perfectly—those who think they’re doing good work for Christ but are merely using his name as a means to power and wealth. Utter wickedness.

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are not correcting my position. You are proving my point. You wish I had a flawed understanding of the lifelong process of salvation, but I do not.

You keep listing warning verses as if the mere existence of warnings cancels the plain promises of Christ. That is not Bible study. That is verse-stacking. You are taking passages about false professors, works of the flesh, chastening, holiness, and judgment, then forcing them to teach that a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then damned anyway.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

You say a justified born again believer can still come into condemnation and be eternally lost. Jesus says he “shall not come into condemnation.” I will believe Christ over your opinion.

Romans 8:1 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” You say there can be condemnation again. Scripture says no condemnation. Stop softening that with religious language. “No condemnation” does not mean “no condemnation unless you commit a sin from my special category.” The text says what it says.

Galatians 5:4 is not about a saved man losing grace by a so-called deadly sin. Paul says, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The issue is not a believer committing a certain sin. The issue is seeking justification by law. That is exactly what you keep doing. You are trying to make final acceptance with God rest on Christ plus your continued obedience. Paul calls that falling from grace.

Ephesians 5:5–6, Galatians 5:19–21, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 21:27 warn that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Amen. Nobody is denying that. But those passages do not say Christ’s sheep become unsheep, God’s children become unborn, the justified become unjustified, and eternal life becomes temporary life. You are reading that into the text.

Paul told the Corinthians, “such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified” ~1 Corinthians 6:11. He does not say, “such were some of you until your next deadly sin makes you unjustified again.” He points them back to what God has done in Christ.

Galatians 6:7–8 says a man reaps what he sows. Amen. If a man sows to the flesh, he proves where his heart is. If he lives in unrepentant wickedness, I will not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent. But that still does not teach your doctrine that Christ gives eternal life and then takes it back every time a believer crosses your invented line.

First John 3:15 says, “whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Exactly. It says eternal life is not abiding in him. It does not say eternal life was abiding in him, then left, then came back later after enough repentance. John is exposing the nature of a man whose life is marked by hatred. He is not teaching temporary regeneration.

Second Corinthians 4:7 says, “we have this treasure in earthen vessels.” That teaches human weakness and God’s power. It does not teach loss of salvation. You dragged that verse into this argument because you need volume, not context.

First Corinthians 15:10 says Paul did not receive the grace of God in vain because grace worked in him. Amen. True grace changes a man. But Paul does not say grace is maintained by works. He says, “yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.” You turned grace into a wage system while still calling it grace.

First Timothy 5:12 speaks of younger widows casting off their first faith in a specific context. It does not overturn John 10:28, where Jesus says, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish.” Never means never.

John 1:16 says, “And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.” That does not help your position. It shows grace comes from Christ’s fulness. It does not say grace is kept by your performance.

You said, “We have union by grace not eternal salvation.” That statement is the problem. Scripture does not separate union with Christ from life in Christ. First John 5:11–12 says, “God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”

Not might have life. Not temporary life. Not union without eternal salvation. “He that hath the Son hath life.”

Your doctrine makes eternal life temporary, no condemnation conditional condemnation, never perish maybe perish, sealed until the day of redemption sealed until the next deadly sin, and Christ’s finished work dependent on man’s ongoing performance. That is not the gospel. That is confusion dressed in Bible verses.

Yes, sin is serious. Yes, the wicked will perish. Yes, false professors must be warned. Yes, believers must repent, obey, and walk in holiness. But none of that means justification is preserved by works.

Romans 4:5 still stands: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

You need to stop using warning passages to murder the promises of Christ. If your doctrine forces you to say that Jesus gives eternal life to His sheep and they can still perish, your doctrine is wrong. Repent of adding works to the ground of final salvation. Christ is not a temporary Savior, and eternal life is not probation.

there are conditions

“He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

must keep believing!


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

only no condemnation "IF" you don't walk according to the flesh, if you do then you have fallen from grace are under condemnation

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon thechildren of disobedience.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

walk out n darkness of sin and error? guess what?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

We are not “back” to the question. You are dragging us back because you do not like the answer Scripture already gave.

The Bible already defines eternal life.

“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son” ~1 John 5:11.

“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life” ~1 John 5:12.

Jesus said the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

Jesus also said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That answers the question. Eternal life is life in the Son, given by God, possessed by the believer, and promised by Christ with the words “shall never perish.”

So no, I am not going to keep pretending this is unclear. Your problem is not that Scripture has failed to define eternal life. Your problem is that Scripture’s definition destroys your doctrine.

You want eternal life to mean temporary life. You want “shall not come into condemnation” to mean “may still come into condemnation.” You want “shall never perish” to mean “can still perish.” That is not interpretation. That is contradiction.

If you believe a born again believer can be given eternal life by Christ and still be eternally damned, then you need to explain how “eternal” means temporary, how “no condemnation” means possible condemnation, and how “never perish” means maybe perish.

Until you deal honestly with John 5:24, John 10:28, and 1 John 5:11–12, you are not answering Scripture. You are dodging it.

I am not going to keep answering the same question while you ignore the answer God already gave.

we must be found faithful to the grace of God (eternal life)

 

[faithhopecharity]

We are not “back” to the question. You are dragging us back because you do not like the answer Scripture already gave.

The Bible already defines eternal life.

“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son” ~1 John 5:11.

“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life” ~1 John 5:12.

Jesus said the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

Jesus also said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That answers the question. Eternal life is life in the Son, given by God, possessed by the believer, and promised by Christ with the words “shall never perish.”

So no, I am not going to keep pretending this is unclear. Your problem is not that Scripture has failed to define eternal life. Your problem is that Scripture’s definition destroys your doctrine.

You want eternal life to mean temporary life. You want “shall not come into condemnation” to mean “may still come into condemnation.” You want “shall never perish” to mean “can still perish.” That is not interpretation. That is contradiction.

If you believe a born again believer can be given eternal life by Christ and still be eternally damned, then you need to explain how “eternal” means temporary, how “no condemnation” means possible condemnation, and how “never perish” means maybe perish.

Until you deal honestly with John 5:24, John 10:28, and 1 John 5:11–12, you are not answering Scripture. You are dodging it.

I am not going to keep answering the same question while you ignore the answer God already gave.

is it possible to sin and lose the grace of God and become spiritually dead?

is it possible to lose faith and be damned?

is it possible to deny Christ?

thks

 

[bdavidc]

there are conditions

“He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

must keep believing!


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

only no condemnation "IF" you don't walk according to the flesh, if you do then you have fallen from grace are under condemnation

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon thechildren of disobedience.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

walk out n darkness of sin and error? guess what?

thks

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

 

[bdavidc]

we must be found faithful to the grace of God (eternal life)

That still does not answer the verses. Eternal life is not something God gives after we prove we were faithful enough. Scripture says, “the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” ~Romans 6:23. A gift is not a wage.

Yes, true grace changes a man. Grace is not a license to sin. But faithfulness is the evidence of grace, not the price we pay to keep eternal life.

Jesus did not say, “I give them eternal life if they stay faithful enough.” He said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That is the issue. You keep turning eternal life into temporary life and grace into probation.

 

[bdavidc]

is it possible to sin and lose the grace of God and become spiritually dead?

is it possible to lose faith and be damned?

is it possible to deny Christ?

thks

Can a person sin? Yes. Can a false professor fall away? Yes. Can a person deny Christ and be damned? Yes, if that denial is where he remains.

But that does not prove a born again believer can be given eternal life, sealed by the Spirit, passed from death unto life, and then become spiritually dead again. Peter denied Christ, and Christ restored him. Judas walked with Christ outwardly, but he was never clean. Jesus said, “ye are clean, but not all” ~John 13:10-11.

That is the difference you keep ignoring. If a man abandons Christ and never returns, Scripture explains that too: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” ~1 John 2:19. It does not say they were truly born again and then became unborn.

So yes, sin is serious. Yes, apostasy is real. Yes, false faith exists. But none of that changes what Jesus said: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

 

[Wrangler]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

That's what the text says in Hebrews 10:26. What else is the meaning of a sin those who know God commit that no sacrifice covers?

 

[bdavidc]

That's what the text says in Hebrews 10:26. What else is the meaning of a sin those who know God commit that no sacrifice covers?

Hebrews 10:26 does not say a born again man is justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then lost again. You are reading that into the text.

The verse says, “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” ~Hebrews 10:26. Notice what it says. It says “received the knowledge of the truth.” It does not say regenerated. It does not say sealed. It does not say born of God. It does not say one of Christ’s sheep. You are making those words carry more than the passage says.

The context is not a Christian struggling with sin and needing repentance. If that were the meaning, then every believer would be damned, because believers still sin, and sometimes knowingly. John says, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” ~1 John 1:8. He also says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

Hebrews 10 is warning against willful apostasy, rejecting Christ’s sacrifice after knowing the truth about it. That is why verse 29 says the person has “trodden under foot the Son of God,” counted “the blood of the covenant” an unholy thing, and “done despite unto the Spirit of grace.” That is not a weak believer stumbling. That is a person turning from the only sacrifice God has provided.

And that is the point of “there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.” If a man rejects Christ, there is no other sacrifice left. The old sacrifices cannot save him. Religion cannot save him. The law cannot save him. There is no second altar somewhere else. Christ is the only sacrifice, and Hebrews already said, “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” ~Hebrews 10:10.

So no, Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that Christ saves His sheep and then loses them. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:28. Hebrews 10 warns against drawing back unto perdition, but it also says plainly, “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul” ~Hebrews 10:39.

That is the difference you keep blurring. The warning is real. Apostasy is real. Judgment is real. But the text does not overturn the clear promises of Christ to those who truly belong to Him.

 

[Wrangler]

Hebrews 10:26 does not say a born again man is justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then lost again. You are reading that into the text.

Agh huh. And you are creating theologically loaded words, denying "knowing" means all these things in context. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are not correcting my position. You are proving my point. You wish I had a flawed understanding of the lifelong process of salvation, but I do not.

You keep listing warning verses as if the mere existence of warnings cancels the plain promises of Christ. That is not Bible study. That is verse-stacking. You are taking passages about false professors, works of the flesh, chastening, holiness, and judgment, then forcing them to teach that a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then damned anyway.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

You say a justified born again believer can still come into condemnation and be eternally lost. Jesus says he “shall not come into condemnation.” I will believe Christ over your opinion.

Romans 8:1 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” You say there can be condemnation again. Scripture says no condemnation. Stop softening that with religious language. “No condemnation” does not mean “no condemnation unless you commit a sin from my special category.” The text says what it says.

Galatians 5:4 is not about a saved man losing grace by a so-called deadly sin. Paul says, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The issue is not a believer committing a certain sin. The issue is seeking justification by law. That is exactly what you keep doing. You are trying to make final acceptance with God rest on Christ plus your continued obedience. Paul calls that falling from grace.

Ephesians 5:5–6, Galatians 5:19–21, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 21:27 warn that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Amen. Nobody is denying that. But those passages do not say Christ’s sheep become unsheep, God’s children become unborn, the justified become unjustified, and eternal life becomes temporary life. You are reading that into the text.

Paul told the Corinthians, “such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified” ~1 Corinthians 6:11. He does not say, “such were some of you until your next deadly sin makes you unjustified again.” He points them back to what God has done in Christ.

Galatians 6:7–8 says a man reaps what he sows. Amen. If a man sows to the flesh, he proves where his heart is. If he lives in unrepentant wickedness, I will not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent. But that still does not teach your doctrine that Christ gives eternal life and then takes it back every time a believer crosses your invented line.

First John 3:15 says, “whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Exactly. It says eternal life is not abiding in him. It does not say eternal life was abiding in him, then left, then came back later after enough repentance. John is exposing the nature of a man whose life is marked by hatred. He is not teaching temporary regeneration.

Second Corinthians 4:7 says, “we have this treasure in earthen vessels.” That teaches human weakness and God’s power. It does not teach loss of salvation. You dragged that verse into this argument because you need volume, not context.

First Corinthians 15:10 says Paul did not receive the grace of God in vain because grace worked in him. Amen. True grace changes a man. But Paul does not say grace is maintained by works. He says, “yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.” You turned grace into a wage system while still calling it grace.

First Timothy 5:12 speaks of younger widows casting off their first faith in a specific context. It does not overturn John 10:28, where Jesus says, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish.” Never means never.

John 1:16 says, “And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.” That does not help your position. It shows grace comes from Christ’s fulness. It does not say grace is kept by your performance.

You said, “We have union by grace not eternal salvation.” That statement is the problem. Scripture does not separate union with Christ from life in Christ. First John 5:11–12 says, “God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”

Not might have life. Not temporary life. Not union without eternal salvation. “He that hath the Son hath life.”

Your doctrine makes eternal life temporary, no condemnation conditional condemnation, never perish maybe perish, sealed until the day of redemption sealed until the next deadly sin, and Christ’s finished work dependent on man’s ongoing performance. That is not the gospel. That is confusion dressed in Bible verses.

Yes, sin is serious. Yes, the wicked will perish. Yes, false professors must be warned. Yes, believers must repent, obey, and walk in holiness. But none of that means justification is preserved by works.

Romans 4:5 still stands: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

You need to stop using warning passages to murder the promises of Christ. If your doctrine forces you to say that Jesus gives eternal life to His sheep and they can still perish, your doctrine is wrong. Repent of adding works to the ground of final salvation. Christ is not a temporary Savior, and eternal life is not probation.

not perfected until glorified in heaven

now weakness and the sin nature remains


thks

Promise of future eternal salvation!

Our Inheritance!

Psalm 37:18
The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

mk 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. (salvation)

Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Ephesians 1:14
Which is the earnest (promise) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Colossians 1:12
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 3:24
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

heb 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

1 Peter 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Here and now we have the Grace of God with the promise of eternal salvation to come! Amen!

 

[bdavidc]

not perfected until glorified in heaven

now weakness and the sin nature remains

I did not say believers are already perfected in glory. That is not the argument.

Yes, weakness remains. Yes, the flesh must be mortified. Yes, glorification is still future. But you keep taking the future completion of salvation and using it to deny the present possession of eternal life. Scripture does not do that.

Jesus did not say, “He that believeth may one day have everlasting life if he maintains it.” He said, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47). Present possession.

John 5:24 says the believer “hath everlasting life,” “shall not come into condemnation,” and “is passed from death unto life.” That is not just a future hope. That is a present reality grounded in Christ.

You quoted Ephesians 1:14, but the verse does not help your position. The Spirit is “the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.” An earnest is not an empty promise. It is God’s guarantee. The inheritance is future in its fullness, but the believer is already sealed now. Ephesians 1:13 says, “after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.”

First Peter 1:4 says the inheritance is “reserved in heaven for you,” but the next verse says believers “are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Peter 1:5). You keep talking like the inheritance is reserved, but the heir may still be lost. Peter says the inheritance is reserved and the believer is kept by God’s power.

Colossians 1:12 also says the Father “hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light.” It does not say we are trying to make ourselves meet by staying above your invented line. God has made us meet in Christ.

Yes, “in the world to come eternal life” is true (Mark 10:30). That is the full enjoyment and final revealing of what God has promised. But that does not cancel John 6:47, John 5:24, 1 John 5:11-13, or Ephesians 1:13-14. The Bible teaches both present possession and future completion.

That is the part you keep missing.

We are not glorified yet. But the born again believer already belongs to Christ. He has eternal life now. He is sealed now. He is justified now. He is kept by God now. And he will be glorified because God finishes what He starts.

“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

after justification:

God will grant the grace of repentance! (not limited to once only repentance)

2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;


confess our sins and He will forgive us!

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Return to the light and His blood will cleanse us from all sin!

1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5.

by this do you admit that you do not have eternal salvation now?

((future salvation))

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

galatians 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
(eternal salvation)

Ephesians 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Jude1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

1 Peter 1:13
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; (eternal salvation)

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

the church as a whole not individually

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

eternal life is the life of God, it is eternal, but we only share in part of it now with the hope of full eternal salvation in the future

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Romans 8:1, 1 John 1:6-7

sin cause the loss of grace and union with God!

gal 5 shall not inherit the kingdom of God!

depart from iniquity or depart from Jesus Christ!

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

2 tim 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ DEPART FROM
INIQUITY.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do INIQUITY.

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You are still doing the same thing. You are taking every warning passage and forcing it to mean a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then be damned again. That is not what the text says.

Yes, a believer continues believing. I am not arguing for a faith that rejects Christ and still claims salvation. But the question is why the true believer continues. Scripture does not say he keeps himself saved by his own strength. It says God keeps him. Peter said believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” ~1 Peter 1:5. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him, and He gives them eternal life. Then He says, “they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:27-28.

That is not temporary life. That is not probation. That is eternal life.

You quoted Romans 8:1, but you are using it backward. Paul is not saying a man is saved only as long as he performs well enough not to fall back into condemnation. He starts the chapter with “no condemnation” and then explains why. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” ~Romans 8:2. Then he says those who are in the flesh cannot please God, but believers are not in the flesh if the Spirit of God dwells in them ~Romans 8:8-9. That is identity, not a revolving door of saved, lost, saved, lost.

First John 1:6-7 is not teaching loss of salvation either. John is exposing false claims. If a man says he has fellowship with God while walking in darkness, he is lying. I would tell that man to repent and stop pretending. But John does not say a born again man loses eternal life every time he sins. In the same chapter he says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. And then he says, “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

That is the part you keep missing. The believer has an Advocate. The believer is corrected. The believer is chastened. The believer repents. But the believer is not unborn from God every time he stumbles.

Ephesians 5:6 says the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. I believe that. The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. But Paul is warning believers not to be deceived by the empty words of the wicked, not teaching that Christ’s sheep become goats and then sheep again.

First Timothy 5:12 does not overturn John 5:24, John 10:28, Romans 8:1, Ephesians 1:13-14, or Philippians 1:6. You cannot take a passage about younger widows casting off their first faith and use it to cancel the plain promise of Christ that the believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

The real issue is simple. You keep turning warnings into a denial of Christ’s promises. I believe the warnings. I also believe the promises. The warnings expose false profession, call believers to holiness, and show that sin is deadly serious. But they do not teach that eternal life is temporary life.

If a man walks in darkness and loves his sin, I would not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent and examine himself. But I will not tell Christ’s sheep that their Shepherd gives them eternal life and they can still perish. Jesus said they shall never perish. I believe Him.

I think this is where the confusion keeps coming in. Some people hear eternal security and think we are saying anyone who mouths the words “I believe” is saved, even if they keep thinking the same way, living the same way, loving the same sin, and showing no evidence of being born again.

That is not what I am saying.

A false profession does not save anybody. Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 7:21. So yes, there are people who say the right words and are still lost. They did not lose salvation. They never had it.

That is very different from saying a truly born again believer can be justified, sealed by the Spirit, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then end up condemned again.

The warnings are real. Sin is serious. False converts are real. But none of that changes what Jesus said about His sheep: “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

does not John 10:28 imply a faithfulness to His calling and grace?

is a martyr saved by faith alone?

why is Antipass praised in rev 2:13?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

That still does not answer the verses. Eternal life is not something God gives after we prove we were faithful enough. Scripture says, “the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” ~Romans 6:23. A gift is not a wage.

Yes, true grace changes a man. Grace is not a license to sin. But faithfulness is the evidence of grace, not the price we pay to keep eternal life.

Jesus did not say, “I give them eternal life if they stay faithful enough.” He said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That is the issue. You keep turning eternal life into temporary life and grace into probation.

mt 25 what does the talents represent? grace or eternal salvation?

thks

 

[bdavidc]

does not John 10:28 imply a faithfulness to His calling and grace?

is a martyr saved by faith alone?

why is Antipass praised in rev 2:13?

thks

Faithfulness matters, but faithfulness is not the ground of justification. Christ is. Martyrdom, endurance, obedience, and fruit are evidence of real faith, not the payment for salvation. We are saved by grace through faith, not of works, and then created in Christ Jesus unto good works ~Ephesians 2:8-10. If we cannot keep that distinction clear, we will just keep repeating the same argument.