How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[bdavidc]

That's because what you claim is untrue on many levels. Yes, we are due to inherit God's kingdom but like all inheritance, someone has to die before receiving the inheritance. In this case, we have to die - and I'm not talking about spiritual death. THEN, we have to be resurrected on Judgment Day. We will be judged to eternal death or life.

That anyone can say they are certain what the verdict will be beneficial to them is not the most humble act anyone ever took.

The inheritance argument actually works against what you are saying. You said someone has to die before the inheritance is received. That is exactly right. Christ died. Hebrews says, “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator” ~Hebrews 9:16. The death that secured the inheritance is not my physical death. It is the death of Christ.

That is why Peter says believers are already “begotten again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you” ~1 Peter 1:3-4. Then he says those believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5.

So yes, there is a future revealing. Yes, there is resurrection. Yes, there is judgment. But none of that cancels the present possession of eternal life.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

That is not arrogance. That is believing Christ.

John wrote, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life” ~1 John 5:13. If God says believers may know, then it is not humility to say we cannot know. That is not humility. That is unbelief dressed up to look humble.

My certainty is not in myself. I am not saying I am good enough to get a favorable verdict. I am saying Christ is enough. His blood is enough. His righteousness is enough. His promise is enough.

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” ~Romans 8:1.

That word “now” matters. The believer is not waiting to find out whether Christ’s work was enough. The believer waits for the resurrection and full inheritance, but he already has eternal life in Christ.

 

[bdavidc]

@bdavidc, what do you say in response to such verses? What point is there to endure to the end if we are saved if we don't endure to the end?

I would say the verse means exactly what it says. “He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” ~Mark 13:13.

But that does not mean a truly born again believer keeps himself saved by his own power. It means the saved endure because God keeps them.

That is the part you keep skipping over. I am not saying a person can reject Christ, stop believing, live in rebellion, and still claim salvation because he once said a prayer. That is false assurance. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” ~John 10:27. His sheep follow Him. They endure. But why do they endure? Because the Shepherd keeps them.

Jesus did not stop at “they follow me.” He said, “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:28.

So Mark 13:13 does not cancel John 10:28. It agrees with it. The ones who belong to Christ endure to the end because Christ preserves His own.

Peter says believers “are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5. That is not man keeping himself saved. That is God keeping the believer through faith.

Paul said the same thing: “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6.

So what is the point of enduring? The point is that endurance is the mark of real faith. Endurance does not buy salvation. It shows that the faith is real. A faith that abandons Christ was not saving faith. John says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us” ~1 John 2:19.

That is the biblical answer. The true believer endures. The false professor falls away. But the true believer’s endurance is not the foundation of salvation. Christ is.

My position is not “saved even if we do not endure.” My position is that all whom Christ truly saves, He keeps, and they endure because His grace is real.

 

[Wrangler]

The inheritance argument actually works against what you are saying. You said someone has to die before the inheritance is received. That is exactly right.

And I said it is us who must die.

So yes, there is a future revealing. Yes, there is resurrection. Yes, there is judgment. But none of that cancels the present possession of eternal life.

Denying we are the one who die is one way to avoid contradicting yourself of us currently possessing eternal life.

 

[bdavidc]

dont confuse justification with salvation

and don't include eph 2:10 that os the purpose of our creation and the means of attaining to eternal salvation

to know love and serve God faithfully to the end!

grace is resistable and does not force us to love and obey

thks

I am not confusing justification with salvation. I am refusing to separate what God joins together. Justification is not the whole of salvation, but it is part of salvation. Those whom God justifies, He also glorifies.

Paul says, “Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified” ~Romans 8:30.

There is no category there for a man who is truly justified by God and then finally damned.

And yes, I will include Ephesians 2:10, because Paul included it. You cannot stop at verse 9 and then turn verse 10 into the means of earning eternal salvation. The order matters.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works” ~Ephesians 2:8-10.

Verse 10 does not say good works are the means of attaining eternal salvation. It says those who are saved by grace are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works. Good works are the fruit and purpose of the new creation, not the payment that obtains eternal life.

That is the same order Paul gives in Titus: “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us” ~Titus 3:5.

Then after that, Paul says believers should “be careful to maintain good works” ~Titus 3:8.

Saved by mercy. Then careful to maintain good works. That is the biblical order.

As for grace being resistible, sinners do resist the Holy Spirit. Stephen said, “Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost” ~Acts 7:51. But that does not mean God’s saving grace fails to save those who truly belong to Christ. Jesus said, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me” ~John 6:37. He also said, “And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day” ~John 6:39.

Grace does not force a man to love God like a robot. Grace gives life to a dead sinner, changes the heart, brings him to Christ, and keeps him.

“We love him, because he first loved us” ~1 John 4:19.

So no, Ephesians 2:10 does not teach that we attain eternal salvation by faithful service. It teaches that those saved by grace are made new and walk in the good works God prepared for them.

You are still turning the fruit of salvation into the condition for final salvation. Scripture keeps the order clear. Christ saves. Grace changes. Faith works. God keeps.

 

[bdavidc]

All of you in this thread are conflating Salvation with Reward.
Salvation = eternity.
Reward = Millenial Kingdom.

I agree that salvation and reward need to be distinguished. That is part of the confusion in this thread.

Salvation is not a reward for faithful service. Salvation is the gift of God through Jesus Christ. “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” ~Romans 6:23.

Rewards are different. Paul says, “Every man’s work shall be made manifest” and that the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is ~1 Corinthians 3:13. Then he says, “If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward” ~1 Corinthians 3:14. But then he adds, “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” ~1 Corinthians 3:15.

That passage alone proves the point. A believer can suffer loss of reward and still be saved. So reward and salvation are not the same thing.

Where I would be careful is saying, “Reward = Millennial Kingdom,” unless that is proven plainly from Scripture. Scripture does speak of reward, crowns, reigning, inheritance, and accountability before Christ. But I do not want to make a statement broader than the text makes.

The main point is right though. Faithfulness matters, but faithfulness is not the ground of eternal life. Christ is. Works will be judged. Rewards can be gained or lost. But eternal life is not earned by works, endurance, or faithfulness.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” ~Ephesians 2:8-9.

 

[bdavidc]

why was the last damned? for being a bad investment banker?

thks

No, he was not damned for being a bad investment banker. He was exposed as a wicked servant who did not know his master, did not trust his master, and did nothing with what had been entrusted to him. That is the point of the parable.

The text does not say he tried and failed. It says he buried what his lord gave him. Then his own mouth exposed his heart: “Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man” ~Matthew 25:24. That is not the confession of a faithful servant who loves and trusts his lord. That is the language of a man who sees his lord falsely and uses that false view as an excuse for disobedience.

Jesus calls him “thou wicked and slothful servant” ~Matthew 25:26. Not weak. Not struggling. Not a faithful man who did not produce enough. Wicked and slothful.

That lines up with Matthew 7. Some say, “Lord, Lord,” but Jesus says, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” ~Matthew 7:23. Notice He does not say, “I knew you once, then lost you.” He says, “I never knew you.”

That is what keeps getting missed in this discussion. Scripture does not teach that a truly born again believer has eternal life, loses it, gets it back, loses it again, and maybe gets judged saved at the end. Scripture teaches that true faith bears fruit, and false profession gets exposed.

The wicked servant was not condemned because he failed to earn eternal life by producing enough profit. He was condemned because his lack of faithfulness exposed what he really was.

Works do not buy salvation. Works reveal the heart.

Jesus said, “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit” ~Matthew 7:18. The fruit does not make the tree alive. The fruit shows what kind of tree it is.

 

[bdavidc]

then you really believe a born again cannot sin?

No, I do not believe a born again man cannot sin. That is not what I said, and that is not what Scripture says.

John wrote to believers and said, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” ~1 John 1:8. He also said, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins” ~1 John 1:9. Then he says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1.

So yes, a believer can sin. But a believer also has an Advocate with the Father. That is the part you keep passing over. What I am saying is that a born again man cannot live in settled rebellion, love darkness, refuse repentance, and still have biblical assurance. That is not the same as saying a believer never sins.

There is a difference between stumbling into sin and walking in darkness as a way of life. John says, “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth” ~1 John 1:6. That is not a struggling believer confessing sin. That is a false claim of fellowship while living in darkness.

First John 3:9 says, “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin.” That does not mean a born again man never commits a single sin, because John already said believers still need confession and have an Advocate when they sin. It means sin is no longer the ruling practice of his life. He cannot live comfortably under sin’s dominion because God’s seed remains in him.

Paul says the same thing: “sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace” ~Romans 6:14.

That is my position. A born again believer can sin, but sin will not own him. God will convict him, chasten him, correct him, and bring him to repentance. But that is not the same as saying eternal life is temporary life.

So no, I am not teaching sinless perfection. I am saying real salvation changes a man, and when he sins, he has an Advocate, not a revoked adoption.

 

[JimKnox]

No, he was not damned for being a bad investment banker. He was exposed as a wicked servant who did not know his master, did not trust his master, and did nothing with what had been entrusted to him. That is the point of the parable.

The text does not say he tried and failed. It says he buried what his lord gave him. Then his own mouth exposed his heart: “Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man” ~Matthew 25:24. That is not the confession of a faithful servant who loves and trusts his lord. That is the language of a man who sees his lord falsely and uses that false view as an excuse for disobedience.

Jesus calls him “thou wicked and slothful servant” ~Matthew 25:26. Not weak. Not struggling. Not a faithful man who did not produce enough. Wicked and slothful.

That lines up with Matthew 7. Some say, “Lord, Lord,” but Jesus says, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” ~Matthew 7:23. Notice He does not say, “I knew you once, then lost you.” He says, “I never knew you.”

That is what keeps getting missed in this discussion. Scripture does not teach that a truly born again believer has eternal life, loses it, gets it back, loses it again, and maybe gets judged saved at the end. Scripture teaches that true faith bears fruit, and false profession gets exposed.

The wicked servant was not condemned because he failed to earn eternal life by producing enough profit. He was condemned because his lack of faithfulness exposed what he really was.

Works do not buy salvation. Works reveal the heart.

Jesus said, “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit” ~Matthew 7:18. The fruit does not make the tree alive. The fruit shows what kind of tree it is.

You and I are almost on the same page.
We both see the difference between grace and works. We also see the difference between gift and reward.
However:
We interpret the parable differently.
Condemnation is never in view here.
Notice:
A. All three men are the lord's servants. The third man is just as much a servant as the first man.
B. Man # 1 and #2 both are rewarded with rulership. The Millenial Kingdom is in view here.
C. The third man is refused entrance into the Kingdom but does not lose his servanthood. He is called a wicked servant but he is still a servant. Once we are Christ's own, we never lose that status.
Just as Paul taught that we must all stand at the JSOC; Paul also feared that he might be "castaway" if he was unfaithful. 1 Cor 9:24-27, 1 Cor 3:8-15. 1 Cor 4:1-5

 

[bdavidc]

You and I are almost on the same page.
We both see the difference between grace and works. We also see the difference between gift and reward.
However:
We interpret the parable differently.
Condemnation is never in view here.
Notice:
A. All three men are the lord's servants. The third man is just as much a servant as the first man.
B. Man # 1 and #2 both are rewarded with rulership. The Millenial Kingdom is in view here.
C. The third man is refused entrance into the Kingdom but does not lose his servanthood. He is called a wicked servant but he is still a servant. Once we are Christ's own, we never lose that status.
Just as Paul taught that we must all stand at the JSOC; Paul also feared that he might be "castaway" if he was unfaithful. 1 Cor 9:24-27, 1 Cor 3:8-15. 1 Cor 4:1-5

I agree that grace and works must not be confused. Salvation is the gift of God, not wages earned by performance. But I still cannot make Matthew 25 only about loss of reward.

The third man is called a servant, but that alone does not prove he was a true regenerate servant of Christ. Jesus also speaks of people who say, “Lord, Lord,” and yet He says, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” Matthew 7:23. A man can stand in the place of a servant, use the language of a servant, and still be exposed as false.

The ending of the parable is too strong to reduce to missing a kingdom reward. Jesus says, “Cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” Matthew 25:30. That same language is used elsewhere in Matthew for judgment, not simply a disappointed believer losing a position of rulership.

Matthew 24:51 says the evil servant is appointed “his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 22:13 says the man without the wedding garment is bound and cast “into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” That is not the language of a faithful believer standing before Christ with fewer rewards.

Also, 1 Corinthians 3 does not say the man is cast into outer darkness. It says, “he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” 1 Corinthians 3:15. That is very different from Matthew 25:30. In 1 Corinthians 3, the man is saved though his work is burned. In Matthew 25, the man himself is cast out as an unprofitable servant.

So I agree that rewards are real. I agree that believers will give account before Christ. But Matthew 25 is not teaching that a true believer is shut out of the kingdom while somehow remaining safely Christ’s own. The parable exposes a false servant whose own words and fruit revealed that he did not truly trust his lord.

Works do not earn salvation, but a total refusal to obey exposes an empty profession. That is the issue.

 

[Behold]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

Jesus is Salvation.
He accomplished this 2000 yrs ago, on The Cross.

Can Jesus Fail?

Can God who wrapped Himself in Human Flesh and Bled out and died for YOU........ fail you?

So, to not be confident in this is to pay Disrepsect to The Cross.

"well Behold, what about how i feel, about it". "because sometimes i feel so close to God and sometimes i really dont feel anything"....

A.) Salvation is not a feeling.......its a FACT.

So, there is nothing more "confident" then the finished work of Jesus on The Cross...., which is Salvation.

So, when we give God our faith, God gives us what JESUS has accomplished 200O yrs ago on the Cross as our "Gift of Salvation"......which is Himself.......... "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".....

We should be confident in this, because it absolutely can't Fail.............Jesus can't fail you.
We can be totally confident that "God who started a good work in us (our Salvation) will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it".

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is Salvation.
He accomplished this 2000 yrs ago, on The Cross.

So, universal salvation is proper doctrine?

 

[JimKnox]

I agree that salvation and reward need to be distinguished. That is part of the confusion in this thread.

Salvation is not a reward for faithful service. Salvation is the gift of God through Jesus Christ. “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” ~Romans 6:23.

Rewards are different. Paul says, “Every man’s work shall be made manifest” and that the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is ~1 Corinthians 3:13. Then he says, “If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward” ~1 Corinthians 3:14. But then he adds, “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” ~1 Corinthians 3:15.

That passage alone proves the point. A believer can suffer loss of reward and still be saved. So reward and salvation are not the same thing.

Where I would be careful is saying, “Reward = Millennial Kingdom,” unless that is proven plainly from Scripture. Scripture does speak of reward, crowns, reigning, inheritance, and accountability before Christ. But I do not want to make a statement broader than the text makes.

The main point is right though. Faithfulness matters, but faithfulness is not the ground of eternal life. Christ is. Works will be judged. Rewards can be gained or lost. But eternal life is not earned by works, endurance, or faithfulness.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” ~Ephesians 2:8-9.

I agree that grace and works must not be confused. Salvation is the gift of God, not wages earned by performance. But I still cannot make Matthew 25 only about loss of reward.

The third man is called a servant, but that alone does not prove he was a true regenerate servant of Christ. Jesus also speaks of people who say, “Lord, Lord,” and yet He says, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” Matthew 7:23. A man can stand in the place of a servant, use the language of a servant, and still be exposed as false.

The ending of the parable is too strong to reduce to missing a kingdom reward. Jesus says, “Cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” Matthew 25:30. That same language is used elsewhere in Matthew for judgment, not simply a disappointed believer losing a position of rulership.

Matthew 24:51 says the evil servant is appointed “his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 22:13 says the man without the wedding garment is bound and cast “into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” That is not the language of a faithful believer standing before Christ with fewer rewards.

Also, 1 Corinthians 3 does not say the man is cast into outer darkness. It says, “he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” 1 Corinthians 3:15. That is very different from Matthew 25:30. In 1 Corinthians 3, the man is saved though his work is burned. In Matthew 25, the man himself is cast out as an unprofitable servant.

So I agree that rewards are real. I agree that believers will give account before Christ. But Matthew 25 is not teaching that a true believer is shut out of the kingdom while somehow remaining safely Christ’s own. The parable exposes a false servant whose own words and fruit revealed that he did not truly trust his lord.

Works do not earn salvation, but a total refusal to obey exposes an empty profession. That is the issue.

What is Paul saying?
"I, myself, should be castaway".
That is not just "a disappointed servant" my friend.

 

[JimKnox]

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus' name

On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand

When darkness veils His lovely face
I'll rest on His unchanging grace
In every high and stormy day
My anchor holds within the veil

On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand

His oath, His covenant, His blood
Support me in the whelming flood
When all around my soul gives way
He then is all my hope and stay

On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
Let's just revisit and visualise it

When He shall come with trumpet sound
Oh, may I then in Him be found
Dressed in His righteousness alone
Faultless to stand before the throne

On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand

Source: Musixmatch
___________________________
These lyrics say it all.
Christ alone.
And this is why we can be confident in our salvation because it is NOT up to me.

 

[Armour of God]

Reading all of these different opinions confuses me. I just don't get it

 

[Lambano]

Reading all of these different opinions confuses me. I just don't get it

I came to that conclusion years ago.

Unless God gives us some kind of confirming experience (and many will testify that He has), we'll just have to trust Jesus to save us. Either He will, or....He won't.

Isn't that what faith IS?

 

[amigo de christo]

I came to that conclusion years ago.

Unless God gives us some kind of confirming experience (and many will testify that He has), we'll just have to trust Jesus to save us. Either He will, or....He won't.

Isn't that what faith IS?

That is the key . And now a word
LET ALL THEN make sure the JESUS we cling too and follow is JESUS and not rather another jesus .
And how ya think one is gonna do so .
Allow me to introduce and to remind us all about a book that many now twist and omit its teachings .
THE HOLY BIBLE .
IF any man , if any talking donkey , if any angel , if any spirit
Preaches contrary to ANY thing JESUS taught
and the apostels , WOE WOE WOE ,
IF any cliams Oh this or that was for another time and no longer applies to us today , WOE WOE WOE
IF any omits , adds to and takes from such prescious and holy w ords , WOE WOE WOE
IT AINT JESUS ya hearing from . Thus the time has come , and yet has always been , TO OPEN
the HOLY BOOK and let us read for ourselves daily such pure and holy doctrine .
Being hearers and doers of THE WORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Reading all of these different opinions confuses me. I just don't get it

and now a word .
There once dwelt a man , wicked and vile as far as the eye could see and farther for many of his works
he did in the darkness under guise HE was christain .
Alas one day the , as in THE HOLY GOD drew HIM to the JESUS he did not know but could lip that name .
Into the bible he did go .
Now when reading them lovely words there was not confusion but rather peace , joy , fullfillment .
Yet upon entering churches
or upon turning on TBN , NOT SO , emptiness , confusion and twisting .
By grace the more that man read that bible he would soon understand it was due to thems wolves in wool .
Reading all of these different opinions OFTEN DO and WILL bring confusion .
For have you ever noticed all them DIFFEREING opinions are really simply twisting that truth
to fit what MAN and his own heart desired it to mean .
And yet day by day and hour upon hour , when that man kept reading THE BIBLE
it sure did become only clearer and clearer .
AND THAT IS , OH DEAR christendom is in dire trouble , IT needs THE JESUS , THE GOSPEL
re preached to it again . For many have sold out
to the voice of a god , WHO CAN even say GOD IS LOVE
but by means of its love and the love of its well favored ecumeincal harlot , OH IT HAS DECIEVED MANY .
And now it has convinced the false religoins and more and more of christendom
HEY fellows we all be serving the same GOD in different ways and THE GOD now d esires
us TO BE AS ONE for WORLD PEACE N SAFETY . Have i ever said the devil can lie .
Has it ever been told he is the father of lies and he knows how to decieve
as well as his HARLOT knows how and what to wear on the outside
to seduce any type she approaches to lie in her giant bed of we are one ecumeinalsim of anti christ
We been LIED TOO . but NOT by GOD but by men who use HIS NAME and the name OF HIS CHRIST JESUS
to present to us another god and another christ which is NOT CHRIST but rather that which is of anti christ .
SO the summation is , BIBLE TIME and let us learn well the doctrine for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Reading all of these different opinions confuses me. I just don't get it

You do not get it . Perhaps then this will help remind you my friend .
OH i get it . WE BEEN LIED TOO
but not by GOD , but by men who ruled the pulpits
and taught another love under the guise it was and is OF GOD .
We my dear sir , WERE LIED TOO and are BEING LIED TOO by many now .
When paul wrote another jesus , HE was NOT KIDDING AROUND .
when paul wrote or another gospel , HE WAS NOT kidding around .
WHEN he wrote and said but marvel not for even satan can appear as an angel of light
thus so too can HIS minstirs be wearing wool and appear as men of righteousness ,
HE WAS NOT KIDDING AROUND .
And now the leaven has swollen and now more and more heed the voice
of this other god , BELIEVING IT TO BE HIS LOVE AND OF GOD . only
did i fail to mention that satan can lie and do lie and he will feed man the desires of his flesh .

 

[amigo de christo]

Reading all of these different opinions confuses me. I just don't get it

Perhaps the most terrifying reminder to us all
is
IF THE PROPHET has been DECIEVED , I THE LORD GOD have decieved it
and will answer him according to the IDOLS OF HIS HEART .
OH yeah GOD allows a lying spirit to decieve . BUT NOT THE SHEEP
JESUS has THE SHEEP . And the voice of a s tranger THEY WILL NOT HEED .
We , my dear sir were lied to a presented a lie under seeker friendly .
And by its means it has allowed the leaven to rise and rise and rise
TILL now they cannot see the god they love be NOT GOD
The Christ they love BE NOT CHRIST .
Someone changed the image of GOD into its own image by which it rules
over them and desires the day of their destruction , yet promises them this be the way
to attain peace n safety .
WELL it didnt bode too well for king ahad , who heeded THEM false prophets
WHO ALL prophesied a LIE to HIM ,
and why
TO GET HIM TO GO UP , AND BE DESTROYED .
AND So too does this lying spirit do the same . And like king ahab they think
OH THIS BE THE WAY to peace n safety . NOPE it be the braod INCLUSIVE way to SUDDEN destruction
ON THE DAY of the VERY GOD and HIS CHRIST , upon whom their love and peace plan DID DENY .

 

[amigo de christo]

Many say HAD we been in the days of israel we had not heeded the false prophets as did our fathers
but only the true ones as did the remnant .
WELL WELL WELL .
Does anyone hear wonder what the false prophets were prophesying that so very many seemed to desire
to beleive .
SMOOTH THINGS , and a promise of YE SHALL HAVE PEACE .
Gee dont that look real familiar today .
ALways preaching smooth things , never exposing sin , never calling for repentance , AS DID THE TRUE PROPHETS
but rather running off the few grave ones
who wont prophesy gravy unto them but rather are grave and remiding all
TO repent of the wickedness , to heed not the voice of those who propehsy a LIE unto you
saying YE SHALL HAVE PEACE .
People still think OH HAD WE BEEN IN THOSE DAYS we had not heeded the false ones .
SO WHY ARE SO MANY DOING SO TODAY and running off the few men who do warn .