How did Jesus Come Into Existence?

[WalterandDebbie]

Friday 12-30-22 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tevet 6, 5783 10th. Winter Day

In roughly 735 B.C. Isaiah prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin (the name Immanuel means ‘God with us’), as well as pointing to his deity.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

Cross-reference: Matthew 1:18, Matthew 1:24-25, Luke 1:35

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Cross-reference: Luke 2:11

At roughly the same time, the prophet Micah not only prophesied the location of Jesus’ birth as being in Bethlehem but also that he would be of the tribe of Judah. Further, Micah also points to the deity of Christ.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)

Cross-reference: Matthew 2:1, Matthew 2:4-6, Luke 2:4-7, John 7:42


The word for ‘origin’ is also used in Matthew 1:1. There, too, it refers to Jesus’ ancestry as being human – his origin because of his line of descent through David to Abraham. Yet logically Jesus only comes into actual existence at the end of that line --his conception.

People also ask



Why was Jesus called Jesus?Archaeologists have actually found the name carved into 71 burial caves in Israel, dating from the time the historical Jesus would have been alive. This leads to the question of why, if there were evidently so many men named “Yeshua” running around at the time, the name “Jesus” was used for the Messiah.

Why Yeshua Is Actually The Real Name Of Jesus - All That's Interesting​

allthatsinteresting.com/yeshua-jesus-real-name
How did God come into being?The Bible says that He has always existed: ” . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, you are God” ( Psalm 90:2 ); and, “Your throne is established from of old; you are from everlasting” ( Psalm 93:2 ).

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The genealogy of Christ according to the First Evangelist descends from Abraham through three series of fourteen members each; the first fourteen belong to the patriarchal order, the second to the royal, and the third to that of private citizens.

Genealogy Of Christ 1. Of the house and lineage of David. The Davidic ancestry of Jesus Christ is an accepted fact in the NT (Matt 21:9; Mark 10:47f.; Rom 1:3). Apart from the two genealogies in Matthew and Luke, little attempt is made elsewhere to emphasize this fact. It is presented rather as historical truth. Joseph, the legal father of Jesus, was “of the house and lineage of David” (Luke 2:4). Along with other Jews of his time, Joseph treasured his family records.

Genealogical registers were kept with great care, because they figured in legal matters concerning property, marriage, and religion. Centuries ago, as in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah, such lists were kept and supervised (Ezra 2:62; 8:1; Neh 7:5). In Joseph’s case, his membership in the line of David had Messianic overtones (Jer 23:5f.; Ezek 34:23).

The charge of falsification ought not to be laid against the NT writers, because the expectation of a Davidic Messiah was not uniform in Judaism of that time. Some looked for a Messiah from the seed of Aaron, others from Levi. In fairness to the gospel writers, the two genealogies should be taken with seriousness. Both present Jesus as a descendant of David, and make it clear that Joseph was the legal, not the actual, father of Jesus. Matthew traced the line from Abraham and David in forty-one links to Joseph, whereas Luke reversed the official method and worked back from Joseph to David, Abraham, and all the way to Adam, employing 77 names (Matt 1:1-17; Luke 3:23-38).

The slightest comparison of the two genealogies reveals striking differences, the most difficult of these is the fact that both lists trace their line through Joseph, despite the fact that almost none of the names from David to Joseph coincide. The apparent discrepancy between the lists has a lways constituted a severe problem to interpreters.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Aunty Jane]

@WalterandDebbie I believe that the apparent discrepancy may be explained this way.....
By being the son of Mary, Jesus was the direct natural descendant of David. By being the foster or adoptive son of Joseph Jesus was the legal descendant and heir of David. It was not enough for Jesus to be a legal heir of King David and to be merely adopted into the line of descent from David. Jesus had to be a direct, flesh-and-blood descendant of David. Hence it was necessary for the descent of Jesus’ natural mother Mary to be direct from David. Luke proves this point about Mary and in that way shows that Jesus was a direct descendant of David and thus had a natural claim upon David’s throne. Matthew’s genealogy shows that Jesus had only a legal claim to it. Both genealogies contribute to his claim to be the heir to David’s throne.

 

[amigo de christo]

And yet even before abraham was , JESUS IS . Let the KING be praised .
The WORD actually did become flesh . Before abraham was , I AM .

 

[Aunty Jane]

And yet even before abraham was , JESUS IS . Let the KING be praised .
The WORD actually did become flesh . Before abraham was , I AM .

Yes...before Abraham was born, Jesus was in existence as the "only begotten son" of God. That is what he told the Jews who were accusing him of blasphemy, not that he was God, but that God was his Father.
John 5:18...
"Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." (NKJV)

Jesus answered his accusers again in John 10: 31-36....
"Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?"

So it wasn't Jesus who claimed to be "God", but the Jews who were trying to pin a charge of blasphemy on him, which was punishable by death. They were looking for an excuse to silence him....permanently.
But since Jesus was to die as an innocent man, blasphemy is something he could not be guilty of....nor did he ever say that he was equal to the one he called "the only true God". (John 17:3) Yahweh was always his Father....but in order to become the Savior, Yahweh had to transform his spirit son into Jesus the man, born of a human woman. But not just any Jewish parents would do....He would have to prove by his genealogy that he was the one prophesied to come into the world.....and his credentials were impeccable.

 

[Mama Etna]

Jesus always existed.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3

There is point where He became flesh.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - John 1:14

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus always existed.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3

There is point where He became flesh.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - John 1:14

Yes indeed . Let the KING be praised .

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus always existed.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3

What does this verse really say? That the “Logos” was “with God” “in the beginning.”
How can you be “with” someone, and at the same time, BE that same person?

Jesus actually called his Father....”the only true God” without including himself.
John 17:3....”This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”

Since Jesus was “sent”, who sent him?

And, what “beginning” is this speaking about, since the eternal Creator God had no beginning.....yet scripture tells us that Jesus did.
Revelation 3:14 Jesus tells us...”These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God”. ........“The firstborn of ALL creation”....(Col 1:15)

Jesus was not the first human “son of God”. (Luke 3:38) Adam was. Yet Jesus is God’s “only begotten Son”...so how is he “only begotten”? What does that mean?
Sound Bible research will answer those questions that we all should be asking.

There is point where He became flesh.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. - John 1:14

And again, what is this telling us? That the Logos was “made flesh”......so, who made him flesh? Obviously the one who “sent” him caused his human birth, since God alone possesses the power of creation. Who else could transfer a spiritual lifeforce from heaven into the womb of a human woman to create a sinless human savior who was called “the last Adam”?
Why was he called that?
1 Cor 15:45...
“So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”

Jesus said that he was “from the realms above”, so we know that he pre-existed in heaven with his Father and was the one who was “sent” to rescue Adam’s children from the consequences of his sin.....becoming what the first Adam was, a sinless human, and offering his life for ours.

Jesus had to be 100% human to die the same death as Adam......but if he was God, then that makes him immortal (who cannot die) so how can you reconcile these things? Cam mere humans kill God?

Just reading words on a page in the Bible, which have been translated into a language we understand, is not enough when we need to know the truth. It can be hidden by misleading translation which does not reflect the truth contained in the original language. Satan can’t change the words of the Bible, but he can alter the way those words are understood by the reader and those who guide them. Pre-conceived assumptions can alter perception.....markedly.

We need to do our own research by investigating the original languages of the Bible and find out whether the translation is accurate.....find out how much translation bias can alter the meaning of the words we read, and influence our perception of what is true. John 1:1 & 14 are a good example of why we need to do this.

In the original Greek, John 1:1 does not say what most people assume that it says in English about who Jesus was and is.
The answer to the OP question is important.

 

[Stan B]

Friday 12-30-22 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tevet 6, 5783 10th. Winter Day

In roughly 735 B.C. Isaiah prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin (the name Immanuel means ‘God with us’), as well as pointing to his deity.


Cross-reference: Matthew 1:18, Matthew 1:24-25, Luke 1:35


Cross-reference: Luke 2:11

At roughly the same time, the prophet Micah not only prophesied the location of Jesus’ birth as being in Bethlehem but also that he would be of the tribe of Judah. Further, Micah also points to the deity of Christ.




Cross-reference: Matthew 2:1, Matthew 2:4-6, Luke 2:4-7, John 7:42


The word for ‘origin’ is also used in Matthew 1:1. There, too, it refers to Jesus’ ancestry as being human – his origin because of his line of descent through David to Abraham. Yet logically Jesus only comes into actual existence at the end of that line --his conception.

People also ask



Why was Jesus called Jesus?Archaeologists have actually found the name carved into 71 burial caves in Israel, dating from the time the historical Jesus would have been alive. This leads to the question of why, if there were evidently so many men named “Yeshua” running around at the time, the name “Jesus” was used for the Messiah.

Why Yeshua Is Actually The Real Name Of Jesus - All That's Interesting​

allthatsinteresting.com/yeshua-jesus-real-name
How did God come into being?The Bible says that He has always existed: ” . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, you are God” ( Psalm 90:2 ); and, “Your throne is established from of old; you are from everlasting” ( Psalm 93:2 ).

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The genealogy of Christ according to the First Evangelist descends from Abraham through three series of fourteen members each; the first fourteen belong to the patriarchal order, the second to the royal, and the third to that of private citizens.

Genealogy Of Christ 1. Of the house and lineage of David. The Davidic ancestry of Jesus Christ is an accepted fact in the NT (Matt 21:9; Mark 10:47f.; Rom 1:3). Apart from the two genealogies in Matthew and Luke, little attempt is made elsewhere to emphasize this fact. It is presented rather as historical truth. Joseph, the legal father of Jesus, was “of the house and lineage of David” (Luke 2:4). Along with other Jews of his time, Joseph treasured his family records.

Genealogical registers were kept with great care, because they figured in legal matters concerning property, marriage, and religion. Centuries ago, as in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah, such lists were kept and supervised (Ezra 2:62; 8:1; Neh 7:5). In Joseph’s case, his membership in the line of David had Messianic overtones (Jer 23:5f.; Ezek 34:23).

The charge of falsification ought not to be laid against the NT writers, because the expectation of a Davidic Messiah was not uniform in Judaism of that time. Some looked for a Messiah from the seed of Aaron, others from Levi. In fairness to the gospel writers, the two genealogies should be taken with seriousness. Both present Jesus as a descendant of David, and make it clear that Joseph was the legal, not the actual, father of Jesus. Matthew traced the line from Abraham and David in forty-one links to Joseph, whereas Luke reversed the official method and worked back from Joseph to David, Abraham, and all the way to Adam, employing 77 names (Matt 1:1-17; Luke 3:23-38).

The slightest comparison of the two genealogies reveals striking differences, the most difficult of these is the fact that both lists trace their line through Joseph, despite the fact that almost none of the names from David to Joseph coincide. The apparent discrepancy between the lists has a lways constituted a severe problem to interpreters.

Love, Walter and Debbie

The genealogy of Jesus is given in Hebrews 7:

“His name means “king of righteousness.” Then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother or genealogy, without beginning of days orend of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest for all time. Heb 7

 

[Adv Bible Study Institute]

I think we all limit our God, don't you think? I would say the Lord Jesus did not "come into existence". Existence exists without the need for a beginning. The Triune God, the Lord God is existence itself. We exist because God exists. If there had been no God, there would be no existence. God is existence. When the Lord Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life", He means He is the Way to God, incarnate.We could not reach God without Him, but more than that, we cannot move unless He provides a way.. He is Truth. Nothing can be of existence, unless it truly exists. He is Life. Nothing can live without Him. When He came as a human, it is more amazing than we can know. How can the infinite become finite? I have no idea. But when He died, He did not cease to exist because He is the eternal. All things are made through Him and for Him, which is why the stars of galaxies far way are places no human shall never visit, but they were not made for us, but for Him. Again, why did He do all this? I have no idea to how to answer. we just know our God is so much greater than we are, and His ways are unsearchable as St. Paul wrote.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think we all limit our God, don't you think? I would say the Lord Jesus did not "come into existence". Existence exists without the need for a beginning. The Triune God, the Lord God is existence itself. We exist because God exists. If there had been no God, there would be no existence. God is existence. When the Lord Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life", He means He is the Way to God, incarnate.We could not reach God without Him, but more than that, we cannot move unless He provides a way.. He is Truth. Nothing can be of existence, unless it truly exists. He is Life. Nothing can live without Him. When He came as a human, it is more amazing than we can know. How can the infinite become finite? I have no idea. But when He died, He did not cease to exist because He is the eternal. All things are made through Him and for Him, which is why the stars of galaxies far way are places no human shall never visit, but they were not made for us, but for Him. Again, why did He do all this? I have no idea to how to answer. we just know our God is so much greater than we are, and His ways are unsearchable as St. Paul wrote.

How the infinite became infinite . HE NEVER DID . HE ALWAYS WAS .
GOD , HIS TIME IS NOT AS OUR TIME MY FRIEND . IT had no beginning , it has no END .
IT ALWAYS WAS and IS . This my friend our simple minds cannot grasp .
But in the end we shall surely understand .
THERE never was a beginning with GOD . HE has always BEEN .
Time as we know it has a beginning . GOD NEVER DID .
The simpliest way to put it is , THAT TIME as we know it Is not at all what the true concept of TIME really is .
To us , to our minds all we can fathom is time that runs from point A to POINT B .
point a being the beginning and point B , well it just keeps running in that direction . FROM A TO B .
BUT GOD ALWAYS WAS , and more so , THIS IS THE KEY , HE ALWAYS IS .
Our lil minds cannot comprehend the fullness of this . JUST KNOW GOD dont exist in the realm WE CALL or think AS of TIME .
HE ALWAYS WAS , ALWAYS IS , ALWAYS WILL BE .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think we all limit our God, don't you think? I would say the Lord Jesus did not "come into existence". Existence exists without the need for a beginning. The Triune God, the Lord God is existence itself. We exist because God exists. If there had been no God, there would be no existence. God is existence. When the Lord Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life", He means He is the Way to God, incarnate.We could not reach God without Him, but more than that, we cannot move unless He provides a way.. He is Truth. Nothing can be of existence, unless it truly exists. He is Life. Nothing can live without Him. When He came as a human, it is more amazing than we can know. How can the infinite become finite? I have no idea. But when He died, He did not cease to exist because He is the eternal. All things are made through Him and for Him, which is why the stars of galaxies far way are places no human shall never visit, but they were not made for us, but for Him. Again, why did He do all this? I have no idea to how to answer. we just know our God is so much greater than we are, and His ways are unsearchable as St. Paul wrote.

PS
Never limit GOD . BUT KNOW THIS and KNOW THIS VERY WELL .
IF anything we imagine about him , CONTRADICTS THE TRUTH in that bible .
IT AINT GOD , IT AINT OF GOD , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
In other words , HUGE and massive as GOD IS , and truly we know but a speck of a specks speck about HIM .
IF ANY VOICE , ANY FEELING , Any man woman or child . Even an angel , even a speaking donkey or tree
COMES along and voices a thought or a word to us and that thought or word CONTRADICTS what is already written in the bible
SHUN IT HELL FOREVER . ITS A LIE . Allow me some parting words .
READ BIBLE , LOVE BIBLE , STAY DUG IN BIBLE , LEARN THAT GOD . If anything comes along
and contradicts THAT , DONT BELIEVE IT .

 

[Aunty Jane]

I think we all limit our God, don't you think?

True, some do.....but how much do we really know about him as revealed in his word and in the teachings of his son? More than most people think.....if we study his word.

I would say the Lord Jesus did not "come into existence".

And yet Jesus himself says that he is “the beginning of God’s creation”. (Rev 3:14)
Col 1:15-17 calls him the “firstborn of all creation”, existing “before all things”. He was the one “through” whom all creation came into existence. So from this we can ascertain that the Eternal Being at some point in his solitary existence, made the decision to become a Creator....and the very first of his creations was a precious son, who was with him “from the beginning”.....not God’s beginning (since he never had one) but the beginning of creation. (Backed up by John 1:1, 2)
According to Colossians 1, this firstborn son was used in the creation of the heavenly realm and all who inhabit it. That makes him unique, and superior to all other creation as the first and only direct creation of his Father. God had other “sons” but none like his “firstborn”.

We exist because God exists. If there had been no God, there would be no existence. God is existence. When the Lord Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life", He means He is the Way to God, incarnate.

And if Adam had not sinned, we would never have needed the ransom provided by this one who became “the Way” back to God. Adam caused an alienation from God.....the human race was now defective because of his sin, but if Adam had made a different choice, we would not behaving this conversation. Adam was a free willed human, and so was Jesus Christ, his exact equivalent....”the last Adam” died to pay for what the ‘first Adam’ did by exercising his free will. It was why the devil tried to tempt him three times...to get him to fail in his mission.

When He came as a human, it is more amazing than we can know. How can the infinite become finite? I have no idea. But when He died, He did not cease to exist because He is the eternal.

When one studies the scriptures devoid of “church” oriented thinking and indoctrination, we can answer that question. An immortal cannot become mortal....since the two words are complete opposites. An immortal cannot die, so if Jesus did not die the same mortal death as Adam, then the ransom was not paid and we are still condemned.
If Jesus existed as God’s “firstborn” then he was not created immortal otherwise he would have been disqualified for the task of redemption. An immortal cannot pay for what a mortal did. The ransom was a set price and Jesus had to be 100% mortal human to redeem Adam’s children, born in sin through no fault on their part.

All things are made through Him and for Him, which is why the stars of galaxies far way are places no human shall never visit, but they were not made for us, but for Him. Again, why did He do all this? I have no idea to how to answer. we just know our God is so much greater than we are, and His ways are unsearchable as St. Paul wrote.

Again when one is impeded by “church” doctrine, instead of Bible truth, answers are not readily forthcoming....only when we take the Bible in its entirety do we get the full picture. The Bible is not an “Old Testament” and a “New Testament” because that terminology indicates that the “old” was replaced by the “new”, when nothing could be further from the truth. The whole Bible is the word of God....and it is one story. It begins in Genesis with the loss of man’s original home in paradise on earth, and ends with the human race, redeemed by the savior whom God sent, restoring God’s original purpose for the earth and all the creatures he created to inhabit it....which is revealed in Revelation. (Rev 21:2-4) A chosen “few” are invited to assist Jesus in bringing about the end of sin and death by means of a kingdom that will guide mankind through the process.....but this earth was never intended to be a training ground for heaven.

We mere mortals will never know all that God knows, but we can attain knowledge that is revealed in the Bible if we treat it as a treasure chest, examining all the gems we find in there, and correlating them to the other gems we find. No gem exists in isolation....all are related to the Bible’s overall theme.....we have to study all of it, not just the bits that the church system wants to impose because it suits them to believe what is not even true. The Christ cannot “exist divided”.

True Christians will be united in all that they believe, no matter where they live in the world. (1 Cor 1:10)
Christendom is fractured into thousands of bickering fragments, all believing different things.....something fractured is broken. God’s spirit is a uniting force, so when Christ comes to judge the world, who will receive his rejection as those he “never knew”? (NEVER means “not ever”)....so who is it that Jesus will recognise as his own? (Matt 7:21-23) We will all know then.