BarneyFife
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If you don't take into account writing styles and figures of speech and such, you can end up in the weeds.
Or, worse yet, I could find myself questioning my established dogma.
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If you don't take into account writing styles and figures of speech and such, you can end up in the weeds.
1 John 1:9-10
9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness.
10 If WE say that WE have not sinned, WE make Him a liar, and His word is not in US.
ommitting a sin does not send a Christian to Hell.
And what did God do? Did He not continue to protect all who looked to Him and had not fully turned their backs on Him?
There is no excuse for sin of any kind.
I'm not sure I understand what you are expressing here . . .Or, worse yet, I could find myself questioning my established dogma.
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I think we need to determine what the Writer had in mind
Of course! And He reveals His truth to those who seek Him.We should wait on the Lord and see what HE had in mind... since He is the author
And we should see what God said on the subject in other places in scripture.
Of course! And He reveals His truth to those who seek Him.
Agreed, if you think God is telling you something and Scripture disagrees, accept Scripture over your own opinions of your perceptions, that God is speaking to you.... those that seek Him in what He has said to mankind... which is His written Word.
Some folk think that the thoughts they get came from God... if it doesn't agree with His word, those thoughts came from the devil and not from God.
Do you think God can speak to you personally?... those that seek Him in what He has said to mankind... which is His written Word.
Do you think God can speak to you personally?
I'm talking about the Holy Spirit speaking directly into your mind/heart, do you believe He does that?Of course He speaks to people personally... and it will be within the teachings of His Word.
Even so but How many were killed along the way and how many failed to finally enter the Promised Land of those adults who followed Moses out of Egypt? Only two!
Does this relate to the number who walk God today but who will likewise fail to make it to their Promised Land?
I won't judge him nor all of those who died in the wilderness. Who am I to judge?
Better off? Does the following standard of God spoken by Jesus apply equally to all men according to God who according to OT and NT verses is no respecter of persons?
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Have you put your foot in it again?I didn't mean to say that it had devolved into an argument yet. Hence the lol. Bye now?
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We fully agree that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost per Luke 1:31-35.Let's see what we might find in scripture. First off, Jesus had God for His Father from birth. None of us can make that claim. God is spirit, and it is to be considered that, while Jesus was flesh and blood and like man in every physical way, that does not mean His spirit was like ours.
Without spending a lot of time on this point, we will say that you err greatly here.The only reason we think that Jesus was born under the law is because of a comma in our English bible translations. His mother was born under the law, but scripture tells us specifically that Jesus was born as the New Covenant. A comma was inserted in a place where it did not exist in manuscripts. I submit that this comma was an interpretation of a translator.
Ga 4:3–5 - But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Why would you say that? He was the only begotten Son of God in the manner in which he was begotten. He prove to be God's Son by the perfect spirit of holiness. Romans 1:4.We are amazed that Jesus did not sin.
Sir, you are so wrong again. Jesus was a complex person, fully God, yet fully man and capable of sinning. He defeated Satan, and sin as the man Christ Jesus, since his Divine nature could not be tempted.As for temptation, Jesus, born of God could not be tempted "by evil."
You have just denied Jesus Christ as being the mighty God. If he was indeed ( and he was ) the Son of God, then that made him equal to God~even the blinded Pharisees understood this one point.It is worth noting that Jesus had to be more than "just a man," but He was not God. He was, as He himself claimed, the Son of God.
If God was his father and he was, then that within itself made him equal to God and HE WAS.John 10:30-33~"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Have you put your foot in it again?
No, I wouldn't question Jesus' ability to recall what He went through when His Father led Him into temptation. Matt 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. It sounds like it wasn't something someone would easily forget. In fact, when Jesus' disciples asked Him how to pray Jesus said, Our Father in Heaven...lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. He knew what it was like to be led into temptation by His Father.You seemed to be questioning whether Jesus knew what He was talking about in the following quote:
I'm just wondering how you know that Jesus and satan only had 3 conversations when Jesus' Father had Him led by His Spirit to be tempted by Satan. Jesus obviously told people what He experienced but from all that Jesus told people only a few things were eventually selected by only 3 of them and only these 3 guys' records were added to what a few others decided should be in a canon known as the bible. Why only these 3 encounters were selected we may have to ask those who selected them or God Who knows all things.
Yes, He was born under the Law and Mary and Joseph had Him circumcised and offered the required blood sacrifice as required under the Law of Moses.We fully agree that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost per Luke 1:31-35.
Yet, his spirit within him was his own spirit like all flesh and blood have. Being without sin he did have the fullness of the Godhead bodily within him~Colossians 2:9. He was the perfect image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15....... without controversy a great mystery.
Without spending a lot of time on this point, we will say that you err greatly here.
Made under the law describes Jesus as subject to the Law and condemned by it for us, for He both obeyed its every precept and died as a perfect substitute under its penalty (3:13).
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
As Paul had already taught, Jesus because a curse for those under the Law’s curse (3:13). So he was indeed made under the law~at his death, the New Covenant was put into force.
What does redeem mean? It means to buy back. From what? The curse of God’s holy law! What do the elect inherit? Jesus Christ, sonship, heaven, and God Himself (4:7; Rom 8:17). These are amazing concepts, given that men are lowly rebel enemies of the most high God.
There is a huge difference between being a servant under the tutors and governors of the Law of Moses and the freedom and liberty of being the sons of God by promised salvation!
The adoption here, by its association with Christ’s redeeming death, is legal adoption as sons. God’s elect were predestinated to adoption as the sons of God (Romans 8:29; Eph 1:3-6). Jesus Christ came in human form to pay the legal price for our adoption (Heb 2:14-17). Then the Holy Spirit imparts a new nature created like unto God (John 1:12-13; 3:3-6).
Why would you say that? He was the only begotten Son of God in the manner in which he was begotten. He prove to be God's Son by the perfect spirit of holiness. Romans 1:4.
Sir, you are so wrong again. Jesus was a complex person, fully God, yet fully man and capable of sinning. He defeated Satan, and sin as the man Christ Jesus, since his Divine nature could not be tempted.
You have just denied Jesus Christ as being the mighty God. If he was indeed ( and he was ) the Son of God, then that made him equal to God~even the blinded Pharisees understood this one point.
If God was his father and he was, then that within itself made him equal to God and HE WAS.