How did Jesus keep from sinning?
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Did verse 10.... cancel out verse 9 ???
Verse 9 says the Lord would cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness... so does verse 10 mean verse 9 is not true?
Did you also see the other things the Lord Jesus said thru John???
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
Maybe we should... read the rest of the story and plan on NOT doing sinful stuff, just to be safe?
If one does not repent from their sin and confess it... HOW would they get cleansed of the unrighteousness that they became when they sinned?
Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Galatians 6:7-8 is telling us it would be mocking God to say we do not reap corruption after sowing to the flesh.
Sounds rather odd that anyone would argue in favor of sin
So, it's cool to turn out backs on God a little bit?
Just as long as we don't FULLY turn our backs on Him?
The standard in the New Covenant is higher than that...
Apparently there is
I'm not sure I understand what you are expressing here . . .Or, worse yet, I could find myself questioning my established dogma.
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I think we need to determine what the Writer had in mind by using language as it is used, and then submit ourselves to that.
Much love!
We should wait on the Lord and see what HE had in mind... since He is the author
And we should see what God said on the subject in other places in scripture.
... those that seek Him in what He has said to mankind... which is His written Word.
Some folk think that the thoughts they get came from God... if it doesn't agree with His word, those thoughts came from the devil and not from God.
Agreed, if you think God is telling you something and Scripture disagrees, accept Scripture over your own opinions of your perceptions, that God is speaking to you.
For myself, God has trained me to know His voice, and He does not ever contradict His Word. Of course, your own mind can make you think you are hearing from God when you aren't. We needn't look for a demon behind every chair.
Much love!
Of course He speaks to people personally... and it will be within the teachings of His Word.
I'm talking about the Holy Spirit speaking directly into your mind/heart, do you believe He does that?
Much love!
BarneyFife
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Truthnightmare
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James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
How could God sin? He wrote the book against sin and sinning. And Christ is the Word of God become flesh, read John 1.
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
In the beginning was
a. the Word,
b. and the Word was with God,
c. and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
In the beginning was
a. the Word,
b. and the Word was with God,
c. and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
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Have you put your foot in it again?
Hahaha...only joking, I fink you is luverly...xxx
We fully agree that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost per Luke 1:31-35.
Yet, his spirit within him was his own spirit like all flesh and blood have. Being without sin he did have the fullness of the Godhead bodily within him~Colossians 2:9. He was the perfect image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15....... without controversy a great mystery.
Without spending a lot of time on this point, we will say that you err greatly here.
Made under the law describes Jesus as subject to the Law and condemned by it for us, for He both obeyed its every precept and died as a perfect substitute under its penalty (3:13).
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
As Paul had already taught, Jesus because a curse for those under the Law’s curse (3:13). So he was indeed made under the law~at his death, the New Covenant was put into force.
What does redeem mean? It means to buy back. From what? The curse of God’s holy law! What do the elect inherit? Jesus Christ, sonship, heaven, and God Himself (4:7; Rom 8:17). These are amazing concepts, given that men are lowly rebel enemies of the most high God.There is a huge difference between being a servant under the tutors and governors of the Law of Moses and the freedom and liberty of being the sons of God by promised salvation!
The adoption here, by its association with Christ’s redeeming death, is legal adoption as sons. God’s elect were predestinated to adoption as the sons of God (Romans 8:29; Eph 1:3-6). Jesus Christ came in human form to pay the legal price for our adoption (Heb 2:14-17). Then the Holy Spirit imparts a new nature created like unto God (John 1:12-13; 3:3-6).
Why would you say that? He was the only begotten Son of God in the manner in which he was begotten. He prove to be God's Son by the perfect spirit of holiness. Romans 1:4.
Sir, you are so wrong again. Jesus was a complex person, fully God, yet fully man and capable of sinning. He defeated Satan, and sin as the man Christ Jesus, since his Divine nature could not be tempted.
You have just denied Jesus Christ as being the mighty God. If he was indeed ( and he was ) the Son of God, then that made him equal to God~even the blinded Pharisees understood this one point.
If God was his father and he was, then that within itself made him equal to God and HE WAS.
BarneyFife
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Well, I'm apt to do so now and again. Actually, I'd have to say far too frequently.
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No, I wouldn't question Jesus' ability to recall what He went through when His Father led Him into temptation. Matt 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. It sounds like it wasn't something someone would easily forget. In fact, when Jesus' disciples asked Him how to pray Jesus said, Our Father in Heaven...lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. He knew what it was like to be led into temptation by His Father.
So, I don't question what Jesus' recounts to His disciples but I do question the recording of the extent of what Jesus narrates. Obviously a blow by blow account of what happened over those 40 plus days aren't recounted by Jesus nor recorded by anyone. Again, the bible is extremely limited, that's what I'm saying, yet it can be profitable and beneficial.
Yes, He was born under the Law and Mary and Joseph had Him circumcised and offered the required blood sacrifice as required under the Law of Moses.
Luke 2
Circumcision of Jesus
21 And when eight days were completed [g]for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.Jesus Presented in the Temple
22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, “Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, “A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.”The Family Returns to Nazareth
39 So when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth. 40 And the Child grew and became strong [k]in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.Christ Fulfills the Law
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
And this in Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
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