Jesus died and took the thief to Paradise for just a couple days, until Jesus, Himself, resurrected and emptied Paradise.
And where exactly does it say this? Just so I can have it varified.
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Jesus died and took the thief to Paradise for just a couple days, until Jesus, Himself, resurrected and emptied Paradise.
I believe Abraham's Bosom still exists. It is the Throne Room in the Book of Revelation...
The Revelation Throne Room is Abraham's Bosom
So wait, before I agree or disagree with you, are you saying that you believe that they physically died once? AKA like Lazarus did and then Jesus rose him from the dead? Also just to be clear, my heart chooses what to believe and what not to believe from the Bible since I do believe that men wrote it and it isn't always black and white as I've already clearly pointed out. One part of the book says we go to Heaven (if we're saved) after the second coming, and another part says that Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would go to Heaven that same day. :/
I agree. Flesh too.Just so we consider other things here, some years ago our friend @Guiliano [no longer an active member on this forum] on another forum suggested to me that the "skins" provided by God for Adam and Eve to cover them rather than being the skins of some lower [ supposedly] animals was the outer layer of skin each person has now.
I believe the whole point of the two trees in the Garden of Eden was for Adam and Eve to choose which parents they wished to be birthed from. In other words, the two trees were two Mothers...Why did they not need a covering prior to their disobedience but then needed one afterward.
Hope this clears this up for you so you'll believe the Bible does not contradict itself.
Yes. That's the 'Cover Story' that the Church parrots. You will not find any Scripture to support it.Abraham's Bosom (or Paradise) was for Old Covenant saints until Christ came. Now His Church goes to heaven when they die, and all who were watching for the Messiah from the Old Covenant are there too.
No, not really as that still doesn't tell me if we go to Heaven directly after death or after the second coming. We're sort of getting off topic though.
It always helps I think to read more learned folk than simple Bible study Christians, as we have in these forums, when seeking understanding about a difficult verse. Also remember sister, context is key in gaining the understanding from any teaching in scripture. I.E. the whole chapter. Psalm 115 Psalm 115:1 Commentaries: Not to us, O LORD, not to us, But to Your name give glory Because of Your lovingkindness, because of Your truth.Is this verse talking about a physical death, spiritual death, or both? Since isn't praising the Lord what we do in Heaven? Psalms 115:17
And where exactly does it say this? Just so I can have it varified.
Yes. That's the 'Cover Story' that the Church parrots. You will not find any Scripture to support it.
The following verse is *not* about Abraham's Bosom being emptied...
Ephesians 4:8
"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
Abraham did not keep prisoners... lol.
Yes, we are together on it thus far. Jesus brought to men the possibilities cast aside by their first carnal parents. Jesus effectively gave to each of us the opportunity to do better than that first man Adam had done... to actually take hold of and to partake of the other Tree, the Tree of Life which was blocked when men were put outside of the garden gate. We still could do it wrong, but without Jesus the opportunity for whosoever will to do it right was not there.I agree. Flesh too.
This passage from Job is a good Witness...
Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."
I believe the whole point of the two trees in the Garden of Eden was for Adam and Eve to choose which parents they wished to be birthed from. In other words, the two trees were two Mothers...
God was letting them choose their 'Tabernacle'...
- Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = Mystery Babylon
- Tree of Life = New Jerusalem
2 Corinthians 5:4
"For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."
God 'clothed' Adam and Eve with an Earthly Tabernacle as per the choice they made. They were subsequently 're-birthed' into this world.
There are actually three heavens referred to in scripture. What Does the Bible say Heaven is Like?Umm,.. okay. Well to each their own I guess.
our spirit goes to heaven as Paul said he would rather die and be with Christ. Christ is in heaven. Our spirits will return with Christ for the resurrection.
According to 1 Cor 15:46, it is both "natural" and "spiritual".Is this verse talking about a physical death, spiritual death, or both? Since isn't praising the Lord what we do in Heaven? Psalms 115:17
There are actually three heavens referred to in scripture. What Does the Bible say Heaven is Like?
The third heaven is God's dwelling place. And that is where the souls of the dead return to.
Bible Gateway passage: Ecclesiastes 12 - English Standard Version
Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near of which you will say, “I have no pleasure in them”; 2 before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars are darkened and the clouds return after the rain, 3 in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed, 4 and the doors on the street are shut—when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low— 5 they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along, and desire fails, because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets— 6 before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, 7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 8 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.
No.Aren't we already with Christ after death
According to 1 Cor 15:46, it is both "natural" and "spiritual".
No.
Paul said,
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Bible (God) doesn't teach that. Satan does though, see Genesis 3.reincarnation
The word "soul" (Gen 2:7) means living being/creature/person.So then going with that answer where exactly is our soul at?