How Do You Follow Jesus? By Commitment or By Faith?

[JesusIsFaithful]

"only God can cause the increase as only Jesus can confirm the word He had me shared with you today"

So, don't blame you, blame Jesus? I hardly feel that is a reasonable answer. God is telling you to interpret the scripture this way? How do you know you are hearing Him correctly or even hearing Him for that matter? Honest question.

If I was not hearing Him correctly, and He is telling you how, you would be able to correct me by His words, and not just saying so that I am wrong in how I am applying His words.

is it not Christ's love to correct a brother astray?

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

The problem with all the Bibles today is that they are not all saying the same thing; and if churches and believers do not ask Jesus which one to rely on, they will never see the meat of His words in discerning good & evil in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

It should be no wonder why people are falling away even under the heading of discipleship when they have doubts about His words.

If anybody wants to see my point about letting go by trusting Jesus by way of a music video, try this link to Carrie Underwood "Jesus Take the Wheel". I do not know if this will help or not, but since He does work in mysterious ways, I rely on God to cause the increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydBPm2KRaU

For those that need lyrics; try this link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZda2VQhsM

 

[Shirley]

You cannot be sitting around waiting for life to happen if you are looking to Him for help in following Him. That is a reconciled relationship based on trust which is active.

Looking to yourself to follow Him by keeping that commitment to do so is the same as saying, I trust you Jesus, but I want to see how much I can do by keeping that commitment to follow you all by myself.

Either we live by faith... or we are religiously following Him which is after the rudiment found in the world in how other religious people can relate to.

If one defers from the KJV as the authority, then one is admitting that not all Bibles are saying the same thing; and therefore evidence of Jesus's prophesy from the Father that there will be those that do not love Him as they will not keep His words.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Seeing how the source origin for the manuscripts that made up the TR is from Antioch where the disciples studied for a year in the word, and the source origin for the manuscripts used for all modern Bibles are from Alexandria where poetic licensing and gnosticism have been known to exists, then in according to His words of John 14:23-24 & John 15:20, I shall stick with the KJV for the meat of His words as I thank Jesus Christ for seeing which Bible loved Him to keep His words for His disciples to follow.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

As it is, all modern Bibles have changed certain key verses that supports apostasy in these latter days where faith is hard to find whereas the Lord helps me to see the KJV as keeping His words for me to discern & reprove false teachings by. I know I cannot help any one see that truth. It is up to each saved believer to ask Jesus for wisdom in seeing this truth which explains why all modern Bibles are not saying the same thing and why believers are going astray by false teachings out of those selected changed verses.


Wisodm comes from the Lord in helping you to understand why His words in the KJV has been kept by those that loved Him & His words.

With all of the modern Bibles out there supposedly created for an easier to read Bible than the KJV, they are still at it which goes to show the futility of looking to man in creating an easier to read Bible when we all need to go to Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in understanding His words.

I really feel sorry for you because you prove that your knowledge is limited. Who was King James? Was he God? Well I am trying to learn to walk in the Spirit bc I really don't know much! I need Gods spirit to guide me. I tried so hard to learn the religious and Spiritual truths and realized I know nothing!

Father in Heaven please guide me! I know nothing but you. I hear your voice and I long to please you! May Jesus help me to be a true disciple. I know your voice and long to walk in you my God! Father please help me to walk in you and as always I ask in Jesus name!

 

[StanJ]

How do you follow Jesus?

Do you resort to your own power in following Jesus by keeping that commitment or promise to do so?

Or...

Do you follow Jesus by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd and all His promises to us that He will help us to follow Him in laying aside every weight & sin in running that race in living as His disciple for without Him & without faith, we can do nothing?

Or do you think you are following Him by doing both?

I have learned from Him to rely on Him all the time for following Him and so He has set me free from my commitments, promises, and all other yokes of bondages wherein men can boast and rested in His Covenant to me wherein I have more to give glory and thanksgiving for in Jesus Christ's name. FYI

We start by responding positively to God drawing us to His son. From there we walk by faith in faith. It's a continual ongoing process with peaks and valleys.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I really feel sorry for you because you prove that your knowledge is limited. Who was King James? Was he God?

King James was not the author nor the originator of that Bible. All he did was granted the Puritans request for a better Bible than the KJV because of the errant marginal notes like Jesus was Michael the arch angel and another one encouraging rebellion against those in authority that were going against what was plainly written in that 1599 Geneva Bible. The marginal notes were causing problems among the Puritans, and that was why the request was made.

Well I am trying to learn to walk in the Spirit bc I really don't know much! I need Gods spirit to guide me. I tried so hard to learn the religious and Spiritual truths and realized I know nothing!

Since Jesus prunes His disciples bearing fruit so that they can bear more fruit,

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

and that we all prophesy in part and know in part until we come face to face with Him,

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

then I would have to say we should always be learning of Him and His promises to us so that our love may abound more & more in the knowledge of Him.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Father in Heaven please guide me! I know nothing but you. I hear your voice and I long to please you! May Jesus help me to be a true disciple. I know your voice and long to walk in you my God! Father please help me to walk in you and as always I ask in Jesus name!

Relying on Jesus Christ all the time for His help in living the christian life is how I live by faith. Trusting Him to help me follow Him is what pleases God above everything else.

1 John 4:19We love him, because he first loved us.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Psalm 33:18 Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; 19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. 20 Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield. 21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. 22 Let thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

Here is a music video that you may enjoy, sister Shirley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE

 

[StanJ]

King James was not the author nor the originator of that Bible. All he did was granted the Puritans request for a better Bible than the KJV because of the errant marginal notes like Jesus was Michael the arch angel and another one encouraging rebellion against those in authority that were going against what was plainly written in that 1599 Geneva Bible. The marginal notes were causing problems among the Puritans, and that was why the request was made.

God is the author of the Bible, that we all know, but I am a little confused by your post here....King James was the reason the HOLY BIBLE was translated. It later became the KJV to honour him. The KJV was a result of trying to counter the Geneva Bible which was a biased Puritan/Calvinist translation because it contained marginal commentary that was more eisegetical in nature than exegetical. James wanted this practise stopped and in fact made it a felony to own a Geneva Bible in England. Basically the Geneva Bible was considered subversive at that time. James was NOT trying to please or appease the Puritans, he was opposed to them and their teachings. The KJV was basically a translation by the COE of the day, as all the translators were clergy from the COE.

 

[Shirley]

King James was not the author nor the originator of that Bible. All he did was granted the Puritans request for a better Bible than the KJV because of the errant marginal notes like Jesus was Michael the arch angel and another one encouraging rebellion against those in authority that were going against what was plainly written in that 1599 Geneva Bible. The marginal notes were causing problems among the Puritans, and that was why the request was made.


Since Jesus prunes His disciples bearing fruit so that they can bear more fruit,

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

and that we all prophesy in part and know in part until we come face to face with Him,

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

then I would have to say we should always be learning of Him and His promises to us so that our love may abound more & more in the knowledge of Him.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.


Relying on Jesus Christ all the time for His help in living the christian life is how I live by faith. Trusting Him to help me follow Him is what pleases God above everything else.

1 John 4:19We love him, because he first loved us.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Psalm 33:18 Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; 19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. 20 Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield. 21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. 22 Let thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

Here is a music video that you may enjoy, sister Shirley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE

Thank-you very very much for the song!!!!!!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

God is the author of the Bible, that we all know, but I am a little confused by your post here....King James was the reason the HOLY BIBLE was translated. It later became the KJV to honour him. The KJV was a result of trying to counter the Geneva Bible which was a biased Puritan/Calvinist translation because it contained marginal commentary that was more eisegetical in nature than exegetical. James wanted this practise stopped and in fact made it a felony to own a Geneva Bible in England. Basically the Geneva Bible was considered subversive at that time. James was NOT trying to please or appease the Puritans, he was opposed to them and their teachings. The KJV was basically a translation by the COE of the day, as all the translators were clergy from the COE.

I was unable to find the original site that gave me the general information presented by me by my, apparently, poor recollection. I do not believe I had said that he was trying to please or appease the Puritans, but that he had granted their request for a new Bible.

I believe this web site explains a little more about what you are referring to and gives a few behind the scenes look in to what was motivating King James to confirm some of what you were saying.

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

Thank-you very very much for the song!!!!!!

You are most welcome, sister Shirley. :)

For the other readers in wanting to know what song Shirley is referring to; there is a music video at this link;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE

 

[StanJ]

I was unable to find the original site that gave me the general information presented by me by my, apparently, poor recollection. I do not believe I had said that he was trying to please or appease the Puritans, but that he had granted their request for a new Bible.

I believe this web site explains a little more about what you are referring to and gives a few behind the scenes look in to what was motivating King James to confirm some of what you were saying.

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

I did quote your words that show this apparent sentiment. The Puritans did NOT request a new Bible as I have stated, and the link you cited supports that. The KJV was done in response to the bible that the Puritans did use, which was the Geneva Bible.

This subject is not new to me and I am well acquainted with the history of the KJV, which is why I responded.
Thanks

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I did quote your words that show this apparent sentiment. The Puritans did NOT request a new Bible as I have stated, and the link you cited supports that. The KJV was done in response to the bible that the Puritans did use, which was the Geneva Bible.

This subject is not new to me and I am well acquainted with the history of the KJV, which is why I responded.
Thanks

Can you explain how you got that from this quote from that link?

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

While Reynolds' unfortunate use of the term presbyterie damaged the Puritan case, he does get credit for proposing the most significant achievement of the conference. Reynolds "moved his majesty that there might be a new translation of the Bible, because those which were allowed in the reign of King Henry VIII and King Edward VI were corrupt and not answerable to the truth of the original." James warmed to a new translation because he despised the then popular Geneva Bible. He was bothered more by its sometimes borderline revolutionary marginal notes than by the actual quality of the translation.

 

[StanJ]

Can you explain how you got that from this quote from that link?

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

Sorry, I don't understand your question in light of my response. I did not imply my POV was from the link you provided, only that your original assertions were wrong. As far as what you quote above, I would ask you to read it IN context of the whole article and not just within your framework of reference. What Reynolds said was NOT acceptable to the king and in fact infuriated him. IF Puritan lore assigns credit of the KJV to Reynolds from this, then it is a tad biased IMO. Nevertheless, lets try and stay on track.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Sorry, I don't understand your question in light of my response. I did not imply my POV was from the link you provided, only that your original assertions were wrong.

That is not how it reads to me.

The Puritans did NOT request a new Bible as I have stated, and the link you cited supports that.

Reads to me from that link is that Reynolds was credited for requesting a new Bible translation.

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

"While Reynolds' unfortunate use of the term presbyterie damaged the Puritan case, he does get credit for proposing the most significant achievement of the conference. Reynolds "moved his majesty that there might be a new translation of the Bible, because those which were allowed in the reign of King Henry VIII and King Edward VI were corrupt and not answerable to the truth of the original." "


And so I am having trouble how you are reading that the Puritans had not requested one.

 

[StanJ]

Reynolds requested it. That's what I read. My question still is what is your point as it relates to your OP?

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Reynolds requested it. That's what I read. My question still is what is your point as it relates to your OP?

It doesn't. In the progress of our discussion in this thread, you had made a comment about the KJV that needed correction.

The Puritans did NOT request a new Bible as I have stated, and the link you cited supports that.

The above quote of yours was the reason I had posted that quote from the link in correcting you because you did not read that at that link as you seem to have indicated. We all make mistakes; just wanted to correct you on that point.

 

[StanJ]

It doesn't. In the progress of our discussion in this thread, you had made a comment about the KJV that needed correction.


The above quote of yours was the reason I had posted that quote from the link in correcting you because you did not read that at that link as you seem to have indicated. We all make mistakes; just wanted to correct you on that point.

No, I made a comment about your assertions.

Continual denial on your part only proves one thing.

 

[Born_Again]

So, to bring this around to the OP. It seems at this point, the answer to the question does seem to hinge on what version of the Bible you support, regardless of who commissioned it. It also seems to hinge on the interpretation of the scripture as well. I still feel that it is just that, interpretation. Lets keep this based on our interpretations and not who commissioned it unless the source of the version can be directly related to why, or why not the version is or is not correct.

Continue on! :)
BA

 

[StanJ]

I have no real problem with the KJV in THIS (the OP) regard, just with those who are KJVO and don't understand what the English of 400 years ago was actually saying. The problem IMO is that the OP brings his dogmatic POV to all posts he issues, regardless of the topic.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

So, to bring this around to the OP. It seems at this point, the answer to the question does seem to hinge on what version of the Bible you support, regardless of who commissioned it. It also seems to hinge on the interpretation of the scripture as well. I still feel that it is just that, interpretation. Lets keep this based on our interpretations and not who commissioned it unless the source of the version can be directly related to why, or why not the version is or is not correct.

Continue on! :)
BA

I have no real problem with the KJV in THIS (the OP) regard, just with those who are KJVO and don't understand what the English of 400 years ago was actually saying. The problem IMO is that the OP brings his dogmatic POV to all posts he issues, regardless of the topic.

No one has a problem with the KJV until they read something that they do not like and so they go to another Bible that changes the message that better supports their false teaching and false practises.

Like the commitment to follow Christ. Commit does not always mean "I will do it" but commitment does. Commit as used in the Bible means to roll over or entrust someone else with it as "He will do it".

Churches and evangelical leaders look to believers making a commitment as a means of getting them to be serious about following Him; thereby looking to their will & merit in following Him by keeping that commitment. That is a yoke of bondage that Jesus did not teach nor any of His disciples.

So where do believers get that idea that it is okay to make commitents or promises to Christ? Errant modern Bible versions.

1 Peter 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV

This verse is totally about Jesus Christ of Whom we can entrust in doing a good job as in the well doing in the keeping of our souls while any saint suffers.

The message has been changed in some modern Bibles.

1 Peter 4:19 So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good. NIV

The subject of Him keeping our souls while we suffer has been dropped. The way it is written, many believers see this verse as justifying making a commitment to Christ and into following Him or to do good.

Not all modern Bibles will share in that same changed message of the NIV, but you should all know where the idea for the commitment to Christ and the commitment to follow Christ comes from; errant modern Bibles that decline from the testimony of the Son.

To prove that the commitment to Christ is of the flesh that men can boast in; in 1994, churches got invloved with the Promise Keeprs' program; also known as a movement of men in the media. As if that yoke of bondage of making a commitment to follow Christ was not enough, they resort to the seven promises of the PK program to "get" men where they belong as leaders in the home, church, and community. And guess what? That program failed too, and embarking on that program proved that the commitment to follow Christ fails too as the church failed to get men "serious" in following Jesus by keeping that commitment.

It is not about how serious we are, because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefor what is impossible with men is possible with God and so it is about knowing how serious He is in helping us to follow Him which can only be done by faith in Jesus Christ... for without faith, it is impossible to please Him at all

And trying to keep that commitment to follow Him as if that is the secret or the power for living the christian life, that shall only void faith in Him that He is able to help us to follow Him all by Himself by trusting Him alone.

Our confidence is solely on Him; it is not a shared confidence wherein we can lay claim to His workmanship in our lives.

Psalm 100:3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

So I ask every believer to ask Jesus to set you free from your commitments & promises to Him and trust Him as your personal Good Shepherd that He will help you to follow Him through the Holy Spirit in you and you will get to know the Bridegroom because He will.

We can do all things through Christ that strengthens us because of our faith in Him & Hispromises to us; not because of our commitments & promises to Him.

 

[UppsalaDragby]

No one has a problem with the KJV until they read something that they do not like and so they go to another Bible that changes the message that better supports their false teaching and false practises.

That is about as circular as any argument gets...

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

No one has a problem with the KJV until they read something that they do not like and so they go to another Bible that changes the message that better supports their false teaching and false practises.

That is about as circular as any argument gets...

How can that be true when that is the case below?

1 Peter 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV

This verse is totally about Jesus Christ of Whom we can entrust in doing a good job as in "the well doing" in the keeping of our souls while any saint suffers.

The message has been changed in some modern Bibles.

1 Peter 4:19 So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good. NIV

The subject of Him keeping our souls while we suffer has been dropped. The way it is written, many believers see this verse as justifying making a commitment to Christ and into following Him or to do good while they suffer; hence it is more about the committed believers in doing good while they suffer rather than being about how well committed He is in keeping our souls while we suffer.

Not all modern Bibles will share in that same changed message of the NIV, but you should all know where the idea for the commitment to Christ and the commitment to follow Christ comes from; errant modern Bibles that decline from the testimony of the Son.

So how can that be circular reasoning when comparing the KJV with the NIV, the truth of the actual message has to be the one or the other?

 

[Born_Again]

Comparing the two versions, it reads the same to me. If you want to interpret it to mean different, then have fun. But as you stated,," many believers see this verse as justifying making a commitment to Christ and into following Him or to do good while they suffer; hence it is more about the committed believers in doing good while they suffer rather than being about how well committed He is in keeping our souls while we suffer"...... Is that not what you are doing? Interpreting? You are telling us what you believe the KJV to mean. No different. The only difference is you insist you are correct. You use verses to JUSTIFY your point even though it does not say "The Lord spoke saying the KJV is the true word of God, no exceptions." But like I have been saying this whole time. It is an interpretation. The KJV can be just as misunderstood as any other version.