Well from what ive seen, heard and experienced iv reached a point were i no longer trust what the left has to say including the mainstream.
So you are viewing certain groups with suspicion. Are you justified in that, or has someone planted seeds of doubt in your mind?
From BLM to impeachments, covid and even the weather, they hype it up so much that nothing else matters.
Worse thing is that no debate is allowed, if you don't agree your a bigot, a denier or a somethingphobe and you get censored, shamed or doxed.
Debate is encouraged in science and forms the basis of politics. So unless debate is allowed i will simply reject that noise from the left
What about noise from the right? The OP was an attack on Dr. Fauci and others. I honestly don't get it. Why call him a "fear-monger" as Enoch called him? Because he doesn't agree with everything Trump says?
Post #10 was more extravagant.
1. The number of COVID-19 deaths is being MIS-REPORTED. If we want the truth, we would need to get a totally independent investigation of the numbers reported by a totally unbiased group of medical examiners who are not afraid of the Establishment.
I don't think anyone proved bias from the people reporting the numbers. I also doubt some "group of medical examiners" could investigate every death in the US. I suppose -- really I do -- that there's going to be some inaccuracy no matter who does the investigating. I think there were probably deaths that got attributed to coronavirus when people were never tested. If a hospital is overwhelmed and tests are in short supply, why test dead people? It might help to know if a dead person had it so the people who had been in contact with him could be told; but when conditions are overwhelming hospital staff, I think it's reasonable if some people's deaths got attributed to coronavirus even without tests. I can't see some "totally unbiased group" doing a better job.
I also suspect some people died of it without going to a doctor. Especially early on when the symptoms weren't that well known, I think some people may have thought they had a cold or something, didn't consult with a doctor -- or if they did, they weren't diagnosed as having the coronavirus. That seems reasonable to me, especially in places where there were no known cases. If you lived in a town with no cases out in a rural area where not much contact existed with the rest of the country, who would suspect they had coronavirus?
Some of the earliest cases did get investigated; and some deaths had been attributed to other causes. Doctors had no reason to suspect the deaths were the result of coronavirus. When Trump was saying it didn't pose a danger, now we know there were deaths from it that had been attributed to other causes. So far as Trump, doctors and the media knew, the coronavirus wasn't in those places. I don't see a conspiracy behind any of that. I don't blame Trump for not knowing. How could he? I also don't blame the doctors or media. How can we blame doctors that much when there wasn't even good tests for it yet?
2. The number of COVID-19 deaths is ON THE DECLINE. Just because testing is on the rise means absolute nothing. The majority of those testing positive will not even show symptoms.
This shows how Enoch often exaggerates things. While we might like to believe the number of deaths was on a decline, that didn't make it so. On the contrary, this belief may have made things worse by leading people to abandoning caution. Some people said it was mostly over, everything could return to normal and there was no way they could be infected.
Initially Democratic states (perhaps because of their cities) were hit the hardest. There was a learning curve involved. Yes, the Democrats made mistakes like Mayor De Blasio not shutting down schools early enough. What is sad is that Republican states didn't seem to learn from what happened in Democratic states. Now the rise in the number of cases is in Republican states. Governor Abbott (R) of Texas finally realized it would help to have people wear masks in certain situations. A large number of sheriffs rebelled and said they would not enforce the new regulations. It doesn't help that Trump has been seen only once wearing a mask. Refusing to wear masks is now a political statement, it seems. People are getting into fights over it.
What Enoch also theorizes is that just because some people can have coronavirus without having symptoms is that it's a largely harmless thing.
At the moment, young people are catching it now. That's probably from going to bars or the beach and so on. Over time however, they'll pass it on to older people.
And too here we go again now the road of "cause of death." Some people get damage to internal organs, making them more vulnerable to other diseases later. So if they die later because of damage to lungs, heart or liver, do those cases get reported as deaths from coronavirus or from a respiritory problem, etc. It's a combination of factors that caused death, but someone makes a decision about what to write on the death certificate.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/0...rt-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/
John Swartzberg: One thing we didn’t anticipate was that the virus seems to accelerate a great deal of scarring in the lungs. And if lung tissue is replaced with scar tissue, it is no longer functional as regular pulmonary tissue, which translates to poor gas exchange. What we really fear is long-term shortness of breath that could extend anywhere from being very mild to severely limiting. There is also a disturbing report looking at computerized tomography (CT) scans of asymptomatic people that found they were left with some scar tissue. So, this could even be happening on a subclinical level.
Another area is the heart. There is evidence now that the virus can directly attack heart muscle cells, and there’s also evidence that the cytokine storm that the virus triggers in the body not only damages the lungs, but can damage the heart. We don’t know what the long-term effects of that may be, but it could be that we will have a population of people who survive COVID-19 only to go on and have chronic cardiac problems.
The third organ system that we’re now pretty clear about is the central nervous system. There is evidence of direct involvement of the virus with neurons, and also the cytokine storm and inflammatory mediators can cause damage to the central nervous system. This is manifesting itself not only in neurologic clinical findings, but also psychological findings. We’re seeing patients post-discharge struggling with psychological challenges, almost like PTSD. And, we’re also seeing some cognitive defects in some people that are very disturbing.
We’ve also seen damage to the kidneys from the cytokines, and there is also evidence that the virus can bind to receptors in the liver, though we haven’t seen significant liver disease yet in patients. Finally, the gastrointestinal tract itself has virus receptors, and about 15% of people, especially children, present with gastrointestinal symptoms. But, so far, there is no evidence that this will cause persistent symptoms.
3. Right from the start, there have been LIES, MORE LIES, AND GREATER LIES from China, WHO, IHME, CDC, NIH, and the Imperial College. So nothing should be trusted until and unless there is a thorough investigation (which probably will never happen).
No real evidence is given here. These are wild accusations based on what? It looks like paranoia to me. At first, Trump was complimenting the Chinese on their handling of the virus. Remember that? Was he wrong to compliment them? Maybe. On the other hand, maybe the Chinese (as well as the rest) were doing what they thought best. Maybe they made mistakes. Who's omniscient, especially about a new virus? When things got out of control in the US, then Trump started to attack the Chinese over it. My guess is he though he might get blamed for it, so he'd say everyone else was to blame and everyone else lied.
Notice too how Enoch says "nothing should be trusted." He is trying to undermine confidence in others. That's also in line with how Trump has tried to undermine trust in the FBI, CIA, military intelligence, the courts, Congress and the media. If we say we can't trust anyone, where does that leave us? Trusting Trump and Trump alone?
I think Trump's strategy to make Americans lack confidence in everyone except him has backfired. He got a lot of people suspicious of government, media and everyone else; but he managed to alienate a lot of people by those attacks. He's even alienated some of the people who voted for him in 2016. They trusted him in 2016 but found out he didn't keep his promises to them.
While I am no fan of the leadership of BLM, I would not say some of the things Trump has said about them. There are people of all races who agree in part with BLM, who want racial equality. They don't agree with the socialist or Marxist ideas of the people who started BLM. They are going to find it hard to vote for Trump because of how he has attacked BLM as if anyone connected with it is a devil.