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How do you magically go from 2,500 to 200,000?

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  1. Joseph77

    Joseph77 Well-Known Member

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    If you do not understand either Scripture, nor the Power of God, that's not something anyone human can help you with that I know of.

    See the Scripture that was quoted, my posts all in line with all Scripture , and pray to God for Wisdom as written in James -

    He gives to all men generously and without reproach , who ask Him, if they are not double-minded.

    Why do you have such trouble with straight-forward , direct and true, statements quoted from Scripture, with no contradiction at all with any of God's Word, Plan and Purpose in Christ Jesus ? Not used to truth ?
     
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    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    True. U know if it was really up to me i wouldn't even vote but over here we get a fine if we don't vote...:confused::confused::confused:
    Forced voting we have in Australia... How's that for freedom hey...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    A few times i registered a donkey vote when i was young only to learn who ever is in power gets that vote...:eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    If I understand scripture? Perhaps if you properly reference your musings, then I may have been able to follow your logic in what you wrote, but it seems you have no knowledge of the KISS principle.
     
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    Joseph77 Well-Known Member

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    No worries. I thought what I posted was well known by those who know Scripture. I'll see if I can get the references now ....
     
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    Joseph77 Well-Known Member

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    References and Scripture of previous post.
    What does it mean that all men are liars (Psalm 116:11 ...
    (sometimes a fair to good reference , not always) >
    www.gotquestions.org/all-men-are-liars.html
    The clause all men are liars or everyone is a liar is the way he expresses the intense feelings he had in the heat of the moment. It was a time when "the cords of death entangled me, the anguish of the grave came over me; I was overcome by distress and sorrow" (verse 3).
    Psalm 116:11 In my alarm I said, "All men are liars!"
    biblehub.com/psalms/116-11.htm
    I rashly declared, "All men are liars." New Heart English Bible I said in my haste, "All men are liars." Aramaic Bible in Plain English I have said in my agitation, "Every man is false!" GOD'S WORD® Translation I also said when I was panic-stricken, "Everyone is undependable." JPS Tanakh 1917 I said in my haste: 'All men are liars.'
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    Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie, or a ...
    biblehub.com/numbers/23-19.htm
    God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:
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    Found this reference first:
    2 Peter 2:2 KJV - And many shall follow their pernicious ...
    www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+2:2&version=KJV
    2 Peter 2:2 King James Version (KJV). 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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    This reference I found recently , have not fully examined the pages it is found in:
    1:4 –“who gave Himself for our sins” –Jesus as the substitutionary sacrifice.(Matt. 1:21)-“our” –Paul includes himself.-“deliver” –He rescues us from the power of this age, but not from the presence of its evil. (John 17:15)-“evil” –(Greek “poneros”)
    Lit. “pernicious.” This is an aggressive evil.(Eph. 2:2; 6:12)-“the will of God” –We are not saved because we are worthy, but because it is the will of God to redeem fallen humanity.
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    This is closer to what I remembered: (some study by Wuest on Galatians I was looking for) .... (showing how men/mankind/society is death dealing (society) )
    from the site: Galatians 1 Commentary - Precept Austin
    www.preceptaustin.org › pdf
    PDF
    Wuest Paul an apostle, not from man (as an ultimate source), nor even through the intermediate agency of a ... (Galatians 1 Commentary - Greek Word Studies).
    >>>Wuest - who gave himself in behalf of our sins so that He might rescue us out from this present pernicious age according to the will of our God and Father,
    NET Galatians 1:4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from this present evil age according to the will of our God and Father,
    GNT Galatians 1:4 τοῦδόντοςἑαυτὸνὑπὲρτῶνἁμαρτιῶνἡμῶν, ὅπωςἐξέληταιἡμᾶςἐκτοῦαἰῶνοςτοῦἐνεστῶτοςπονηροῦκατὰτὸθέληματοῦθεοῦκαὶπατρὸςἡμῶν,
    NLT Galatians 1:4 Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us fromthis evil world in which we live.KJV Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world,according to the will of God and our Father:ESV Galatians 1:4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the willof our God and Father,
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    How many times is this seen in Scripture ? Enough I think to just let it stand as is, but let me know if you need a reference...
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    Even the Ekklesia, until saved >>
    Ephesians 2:2
    KJ21
    wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
    ASV
    wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
    AMP
    in which you once walked. You were following the ways of this world [influenced by this present age], in accordance with the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit who is now at work in the disobedient [the unbelieving, who fight against the purposes of God].
    AMPC
    In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course and fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God].
    BRG
    Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    CSB
    in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the disobedient.
    CEB
    You used to live like people of this world. You followed the rule of a destructive spiritual power. This is the spirit of disobedience to God’s will that is now at work in persons whose lives are characterized by disobedience.
    CJB
    You walked in the ways of the ‘olam hazeh and obeyed the Ruler of the Powers of the Air, who is still at work among the disobedient.
    Ephesians 2:2
    KJ21
    wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
    ASV
    wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
    AMP
    in which you once walked. You were following the ways of this world [influenced by this present age], in accordance with the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit who is now at work in the disobedient [the unbelieving, who fight against the purposes of God].
    AMPC
    In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course and fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God].
    BRG
    Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    CSB
    in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the disobedient.
    CEB
    You used to live like people of this world. You followed the rule of a destructive spiritual power. This is the spirit of disobedience to God’s will that is now at work in persons whose lives are characterized by disobedience.
    CJB
    You walked in the ways of the ‘olam hazeh and obeyed the Ruler of the Powers of the Air, who is still at work among the disobedient.

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    Revelation 9:20
    The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
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    Romans 3:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
    9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
    10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    King James Version (KJV)

    Romans 3:9-11 (CJB)
    9 So are we Jews better off? Not entirely; for I have already made the charge that all people, Jews and Gentiles alike, are controlled by sin. 10 As the Tanakh puts it, “There is no one righteous, not even one!
    No one understands, 11 no one seeks God,
    Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.
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    Study Bible Psalm 14:2 and 53:2
    The Fool Says There is No God
    1For the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. 2The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. 3All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.…
    Berean Study Bible · Download
     
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    Florida reports largest, single-day increase in COVID cases

    Florida shattered the national record Sunday for the largest single-day increase in positive coronavirus cases in any state since the beginning of the pandemic, adding more than 15,000 cases as its daily average death toll continued to also rise.

    According to state Department of Health statistics, 15,299 people tested positive, for a total of 269,811 cases, and 45 deaths were recorded.

    Go ahead, tell me it's all Dr. Fauci's fault. Maybe the numbers are made up by the deep state.
     
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    With the media spreading a pandemic "fear" today, many have already surrendered to that spirit...

    2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    Yes we must take precautions, but not "fearful"...

    Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


    God Bless!
     
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    U.S. sets record as coronavirus cases top 5 million

    The United States set a record for coronavirus cases on Saturday, with more than 5 million people now infected, according to a Reuters tally, as the country's top infectious diseases official offered hope earlier this week that an effective vaccine might be available by year-end.

    With one out of every 66 residents infected, the United States leads the world in COVID-19 cases, according to a Reuters analysis. The country has recorded more than 160,000 deaths, nearly a quarter of the world's total.
     
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    Fake news...
     
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  10. Giuliano

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    If you say so, it must be so, right?
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Absolutely!:D
     
  12. Josho

    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    And just a bit over 1 and a half months later, it's over 160k, it's not looking good for USA.
     
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    And does anyone see a connection between the conspiracy against the HCQ package and the needless deaths in the USA? Dr. Death (Anthony Fauci) had a plan from 2017 and that is why he projected millions of deaths initially. And he has been put in charge when he should be in prison.

    The deaths in the USA could easily have been the lowest in the world, had Trump issued an Executive Order as soon as he received that letter from Dr. Zelenko regarding the effectiveness of his HCQ package (which includes erethromycin(azithromycin) and zinc sulphate). Trump should have ordered all public health agencies to immediately create packages (since they have tons of HCQ sitting and rotting in warehouses according to trade adviser Navarro) and distribute them to all pharmacies coast-to-coast at no cost, so that anyone who needed a package could get one immediately AT NO COST. That cost would be a drop in the bucket compared to his trillion dollar *stimulus* packages (which have stimulated nothing).

    Instead Trump allowed his public health agencies to sabotage him and also perpetrate mass murder (the massacre of innocents) because Fauci and Gilead had planned to make BILLIONS from Remdisivir. You won't find this information in the mainstream media.
     
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    So now you're blaming Trump for all of this? I thought you liked Trump.
     
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    I wonder if Romney has an eye on running for President in 2024 after Trump loses this year to Biden?

    Romney slams Trump administration over U.S. coronavirus death toll — 'There's no way to spin that'

    Utah Sen. Mitt Romney criticized the Trump administration’s early response to the coronavirus outbreak on Friday, saying they dismissed the virus as a threat from the outset and failed to take immediate action.

    “Short term I think it’s fair to say we (the United States) really have not distinguished ourselves in a positive way by how we responded to the crisis when it was upon us,” Romney said during an interview with the Sutherland Institute.

    Romney, a Republican who has spoken out against Trump publicly on a number of issues, said the “proof of the pudding” is evident in the number of reported Covid-19 deaths.

    “We have 5% of the world’s population but 25% of the world’s deaths due to Covid-19, and there’s no way to spin that in a positive light,” he said.

    The U.S. has reported at least 168,462 deaths related to the coronavirus out of the world’s 766,488 fatalities so far, marking nearly 22% of the total globally, according to Johns Hopkins University data. However, a recent Yale study suggests that the true tally of deaths from Covid-19 could be substantially higher than the number of confirmed deaths.
     
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    There is no way to spin that Trump has done such a great job! Imagine if Dementia Joe was sitting the the Whitehouse basement, hiding in a corner worrying if he should be a Xenophobe and have a travel ban! The death toll would have easily been triple what we have experienced!
     
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    I know 3 family members who were given false positives. Two of them were never even tested and received a letter in the mail telling them they were positive and had to quarantine.
    I know 1 person who was supposedly "positive" ...he was close to 60 yrs old, and did not die of Covid that he supposedly had. What killed him was that the meds dropped his blood pressure and when he got up to use the restroom, he fell and hit his head. :( Of course, they said he died from Covid ....

    I know someone who related to me a story of receiving a letter in the mail stating his mother had Covid and yet ....his mother was deceased well before Covid was a thing in the US!!
    One person whose loved one died and was not a Covid patient ...noticed that Covid was named on the death certificate as cause of death. They went to the doctor and said, "You know that isn't true!!" And the doctor said..."I know, but my hands are tied. I had to put that down as cause of death."

    And these stories are very numerous ....
     
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    Interesting that where I live dozens of ppl in one building alone died of the virus...
     
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    Imo, it's hard to truly know the real numbers when so many are falsifying test results and putting Covid down on death certificates where it wasn't actually the cause of death.

    I watched a video of an Italian doctor who was warning people not to get tested because the test also detects multiple common illnesses that healthy people deal with. According to him, at least 90% of those tested would get a "positive" result. He was warning people that these "positives" would be used to pressure society into accepting a very dangerous "vaccine" ...and that the vaccine would permanently alter one's DNA.

    The video got taken down...
     
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    I recently saw a news report about FEMA camps in Ohio ...the governor has made a move that would allow asymptomatic Covid patients to be forced to go to these camps. I'd be interested to know if anyone has heard about this. @Enoch111 ...any knowledge about this?
     
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