How is it that you come by your information?

[ScottA]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

 

[soberxp]

I think blind is blind, Through their words, we can see whether their words come from the Bible.Huh?If their words are not from God,Then prove that they are blind.

Because they don't see through the holy spirit.They read the Bible through this secular world view.Do I just represent my personal opinion?

What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit? I'll give you a question, and you answer me.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

God’s truth is not complicated or difficult to comprehend....it is stated as one truth, from one author in one book, and it does not have a multitude of interpretations......the proof of authenticity is that we, as a spiritual brotherhood are united in our beliefs and practices....and that these beliefs and practices are reinforced by all of Scripture, and at the end of the day, the divided mess that is Christendom will be going in a completely opposite direction and worshipping a god their own invention...it will not be the God who made himself known to Moses at the burning bush when he told his chosen servant that his name would distinguish him from all other gods, and that his power would show them that he can become their deliverer in whatever way he determines. (Ex 3:13-15)

Jesus himself said that he would appoint a “faithful and wise slave” at the time of his return, to feed his household their “food at the proper time” (Matt 24:45).....not physical food but spiritual nourishment, when he deemed that they needed it. His disciples would all be fed the same ‘nourishment’.

He said that he would give them the privilege of ruling with him in his Father’s Kingdom....(Rev 20:6) this assignment was given on the understanding that he would reward them for carrying out his commands to the letter, before his action as judge and executioner on this wicked world.

Only those drawn by the Father can come to the Son....(John 6:44; 65) No one can come to the Son without that invitation....isn’t that a comforting thought? Find the ones who are “doing” what Jesus commanded...not the ones finding excuses to disobey him....as the Jews did.

Talk is cheap.....it’s what you do...not what you say.....that makes you a Christian....God doesn’t read labels...he reads hearts.

 

[ScottA]

I think blind is blind, Through their words, we can see whether their words come from the Bible.Huh?If their words are not from God,Then prove that they are blind.

Because they don't see through the holy spirit.They read the Bible through this secular world view.Do I just represent my personal opinion?

What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit? I'll give you a question, and you answer me.

Whether for or against Christ--these are both spirits. Therefore, it is not just knowing the words, but hearing the spirit of God and acting in one accord with Him.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. More importantly, I confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh--which is to say: In me, and I in Him.

 

[soberxp]

Whether for or against Christ--these are both spirits. Therefore, it is not just knowing the words, but hearing the spirit of God and acting in one accord with Him.

Have you ever listened to the spirit from God
(Maybe when your ears are ringing as tinnitus, you can listen from it,feeling it.)
?
That's is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. More importantly, I confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh--which is to say: In me, and I in Him.

Agree.

 

[rvmb]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

>>>>>"If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes
Peter is not Apostle & Minister to The Church-The Body of Christ TODAY, that role exclusively belongs to Paul.
Salvation requirements that applies to believers 'today' are in the teachings of Christ through ONLY Paul.

 

[Taken]

How is it that you come by your information?

How…
Foremost the Lord.
Secondly Scripture.
Thirdly Founders.
Fourthly General Public.

What…regarding the information…
The Lord… Believe, Trust, Without doubt.
Scripture….Believe, Trust, Without doubt.
Founders….Believe, Find interesting.
General Public…Largely Find, Conclude, from laughable, to ridiculous, twisted, false, unworthy psychological psychobabble.

Understanding…the WHAT information.
The Lord…Absolute Belief, Trust, of His Understanding.
Scripture…vary rarely is “Understanding” revealed…so a very minor source for “Understanding” the information IN Scripture.
The Founders…Some Private Papers, Letters, now Public, expound on their Understanding, and I have much Agreement with “their” Understanding.
The General Public…”Understanding”…minutely considered, largely Ignorant and devious.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ShineTheLight]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

To answer your question. I don't go on my feelings or opinion like that Matthew G. person does.

 

[ScottA]

God’s truth is not complicated or difficult to comprehend....it is stated as one truth, from one author in one book, and it does not have a multitude of interpretations......the proof of authenticity is that we, as a spiritual brotherhood are united in our beliefs and practices....and that these beliefs and practices are reinforced by all of Scripture, and at the end of the day, the divided mess that is Christendom will be going in a completely opposite direction and worshipping a god their own invention...it will not be the God who made himself known to Moses at the burning bush when he told his chosen servant that his name would distinguish him from all other gods, and that his power would show them that he can become their deliverer in whatever way he determines. (Ex 3:13-15)

Jesus himself said that he would appoint a “faithful and wise slave” at the time of his return, to feed his household their “food at the proper time” (Matt 24:45).....not physical food but spiritual nourishment, when he deemed that they needed it. His disciples would all be fed the same ‘nourishment’.

He said that he would give them the privilege of ruling with him in his Father’s Kingdom....(Rev 20:6) this assignment was given on the understanding that he would reward them for carrying out his commands to the letter, before his action as judge and executioner on this wicked world.

Only those drawn by the Father can come to the Son....(John 6:44; 65) No one can come to the Son without that invitation....isn’t that a comforting thought? Find the ones who are “doing” what Jesus commanded...not the ones finding excuses to disobey him....as the Jews did.

Talk is cheap.....it’s what you do...not what you say.....that makes you a Christian....God doesn’t read labels...he reads hearts.

Surely you have not fully portrayed the "but if you do not" portions of what is written. In fact, your statement of ".the proof of authenticity is that we, as a spiritual brotherhood are united in our beliefs and practices....and that these beliefs and practices are reinforced by all of Scripture" is the opposite "....as the Jews did." I hope that was your point. Because, no, a united brotherhood acting out according to their beliefs and practices--is only broad way mob rule--not as spiritual as believed, and was the very failure of Israel that caused them to crucify their Messiah.

Yes, I do hope that was your point!

 

[ScottA]

Have you ever listened to the spirit from God
(Maybe when your ears are ringing as tinnitus, you can listen from it,feeling it.)
?

No, but yes I have listened and heard the spirit of God.

Actually, I would think that Tinnitus is more likely a manifestation and sign of ignoring what the Spirit says--not necessarily for that person, but for all that hear of it, as a witness.

 

[ScottA]

>>>>>"If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes
Peter is not Apostle & Minister to The Church-The Body of Christ TODAY, that role exclusively belongs to Paul.
Salvation requirements that applies to believers 'today' are in the teachings of Christ through ONLY Paul.



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No...Jesus has "create in Himself one new man from the two" making all subject to all (with the understanding that it has come "to the Jew first and also to the Greek" in the manner of "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual").

 

[rvmb]

No...Jesus has "create in Himself one new man from the two" making all subject to all (with the understanding that it has come "to the Jew first and also to the Greek" in the manner of "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual").

Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9
Who is the Apostle to teach you the saving Gospel for today

 

[ScottA]

Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9
Who is the Apostle to teach you the saving Gospel for today

As you say, "today" we are taught by Paul, but surely we are taught by Paul just as we are also by Moses and the Prophets. Certainly Paul was from the beginning of these times of the gentiles, as all who are sent are appointed to their time before God. But what shall we say of God who "is the same yesterday, today, and forever"--that He is not the same today, but stopped being the same after Paul?

If Paul was given his task at the start...is there not also to be a "finish"--as it is also written?

 

[rvmb]

As you say, "today" we are taught by Paul, but surely we are taught by Paul just as we are also by Moses and the Prophets. Certainly Paul was from the beginning of these times of the gentiles, as all who are sent are appointed to their time before God. But what shall we say of God who "is the same yesterday, today, and forever"--that He is not the same today, but stopped being the same after Paul?

If Paul was given his task at the start...is there not also to be a "finish"--as it is also written?

>>>>>"As you say, "today" we are taught by Paul,
The Bible "says", I simply point to the Scripture.
What are the verses that Paul writes to teach how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed ?

 

[ScottA]

>>>>>"As you say, "today" we are taught by Paul,
The Bible "says", I simply point to the Scripture.
What are the verses that Paul writes to teach how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed ?

If you have a point, make it. But it would seem you already have, and yet it doesn't align with all of scripture that specifically states, God "is the same yesterday, today, and forever"--and did not stop with Paul's teaching.

I suppose your answer of "How do you come by your information" is clear: It comes from scripture--but only in part.. As for the verses "that Paul writes", we're not ready to move on until you understand that Paul is not the end all given to the church.

 

[rvmb]

If you have a point, make it. But it would seem you already have, and yet it doesn't align with all of scripture that specifically states, God "is the same yesterday, today, and forever"--and did not stop with Paul's teaching.

I suppose your answer of "How do you come by your information" is clear: It comes from scripture--but only in part.. As for the verses "that Paul writes", we're not ready to move on until you understand that Paul is not the end all given to the church.

>>>>>>"and did not stop with Paul's teaching.
and the verses that Christ THROUGH Paul taught teaches how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed are ?

 

[ScottA]

>>>>>>"and did not stop with Paul's teaching.
and the verses that Christ THROUGH Paul taught teaches how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed are ?

Yes, of course--the gospel (truth) changes not. But "all truth" does not end there with Paul.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, of course--the gospel (truth) changes not. But "all truth" does not end there with Paul.

The request was for the verses ""that Christ THROUGH Paul taught teaches how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed """
Can you list the verses from Paul or don't you know them ?

 

[ScottA]

The request was for the verses ""that Christ THROUGH Paul taught teaches how a believer 'today' is saved & sealed """
Can you list the verses from Paul or don't you know them ?

All of them...but what is your game that you think to quiz me? It's not a game--that is not the issue of this thread.

The issue...is that since Pentecost--since the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy of God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh--many within the church assume that what they think, or feel, or understand by their own studies, or by their own interpretation, means God opened the floodgates making private interpretations authoritative...when they are not. That is not how God works, not how He was, or is, or shall be forevermore. No--but rather, most have lost their way, and are far from even knowing Him well enough to know how He does things--things that were to occur during these times, by His same method. Not the same--meaning by the terms of this world and of the flesh as He did among Israel--but the same directly--spirit to spirit--by the Spirit that made those former things (miracles and such) manifest, that unbeknownst to many are being done spiritually without their knowledge...because many have turned again to the weak and beggarly elements in bondage. Just as Paul feared.

All the while, Jesus gave the one means by which He would build His church, which has become the exception--if even allowed--rather than the rule.

 

[rvmb]

All of them...but what is your game that you think to quiz me? It's not a game--that is not the issue of this thread.

The issue...is that since Pentecost--since the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy of God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh--many within the church assume that what they think, or feel, or understand by their own studies, or by their own interpretation, means God opened the floodgates making private interpretations authoritative...when they are not. That is not how God works, not how He was, or is, or shall be forevermore. No--but rather, most have lost their way, and are far from even knowing Him well enough to know how He does things--things that were to occur during these times, by His same method. Not the same--meaning by the terms of this world and of the flesh as He did among Israel--but the same directly--spirit to spirit--by the Spirit that made those former things (miracles and such) manifest, that unbeknownst to many are being done spiritually without their knowledge...because many have turned again to the weak and beggarly elements in bondage. Just as Paul feared.

All the while, Jesus gave the one means by which He would build His church, which has become the exception--if even allowed--rather than the rule.

>>>>>"All of them.
Which verses from Paul specifically teach how a believer today is saved & sealed ?
Easy question for you Scotty, list them